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Old Posted Mar 1, 2008, 12:26 AM
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An email from the Central Station people today, excerpts:

"Museum Park is bustling with activity as construction is well underway on all five buildings currently being marketed. Each building is on schedule and offers guaranteed delivery dates.

"At Museum Park Place II, the caissons are completed, and foundation work is now beginning. The building will soon start to take shape with above–grade structural work by mid–February. Concrete for the garage–level floors and townhomes will be poured by May, and residential floors will be poured in June...

"The first residential floors of 1600 Museum Park are being formed with concrete – and each week a new floor will be completed! With this schedule, the building will top off by June of this year... "
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2008, 2:25 AM
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....they seem to have just stopped putting any glass in the center section on the East side......there has got to be some sort of problem
dude, the no glass areas are balconies.
     
     
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Terrapin loses stake in Greektown location
FORECLOSURE AUCTION | Latest setback for troubled investor

February 29, 2008
BY DAVID ROEDER [email protected]
Terrapin Properties LLC, a financially troubled investor in condominiums, lost its stake Thursday in a Greektown development site where the grocery chain Roundy's Supermarkets could make a major investment.

Seymour Taxman, president of Skokie-based Taxman Corp., bought Terrapin's interest in the deal for about $600,000 in a foreclosure auction. Taxman and a Terrapin affiliate had been 50-50 partners in the site at the northwest corner of Halsted and Monroe.

The auction is the latest setback for Terrapin, an active builder on the Near West and Near South sides that could be headed for dissolution. Its partners have been sued as personally liable for a delinquent debt of about $13 million for a condo project in Kenosha, Wis.

Taxman said that with Terrapin out of the picture, he intends to move forward on the deal quickly. He needs first to draft plans that will win neighborhood support for a zoning change.

He said his project will have two parts: a retail building along Halsted with a mostly glass facade, designed by Antunovich Associates to be a focal point, and a taller commercial building on Madison west of Halsted. The commercial piece, possibly for a hotel or offices, would go up west of a former bank building at 801 W. Madison that is up for landmark consideration by the city.

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Excellent news! We need more commercial properties in West Loop Gate to boost the daytime population and fill in a block with a use that generates activity, without any new NIMBYs in a neighborhood already overrun with them.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2008, 3:08 AM
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Thanks for this. This is the kind of project that really makes you want the market crash to come faster. Crappy painted concrete (again), fake Arts and Crafts parking garage at the base, little respect for the LaSalle canyon. What a shame... I hope it doesn't happen.
Its a rental building, so unfortunately chances are strong that it will be built. JDL builds the shittiest of the shit; its almost as if they strive to create crappy projects. I would love to see two taller, thinner buildings flanking the awesome Vesseman Building, rather than a nasty parking podium practically consuming it.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2008, 7:32 AM
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2008, 3:28 PM
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Excellent news! We need more commercial properties in West Loop Gate to boost the daytime population and fill in a block with a use that generates activity, without any new NIMBYs in a neighborhood already overrun with them.
I agree!! I hope the commercial keeps growing west. It would be nice to have the west loop be the "small business" area of downtown where professional firms who can't afford loop prices go.
I know we all want taller for the west loop but i think it would be cool to have a neighborhood of 12 story buildings packing every block from the ike to grand, from the dan ryan to damen. Really, in the west loop i just want to fill in those empty blocks!

Adrian, i forgot about the balconies in the center! oops. So are they planning on occupancy soon? They've been enclosed for months now, i can't believe that the interior isn't finished.
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Its a rental building, so unfortunately chances are strong that it will be built. JDL builds the shittiest of the shit; its almost as if they strive to create crappy projects. I would love to see two taller, thinner buildings flanking the awesome Vesseman Building, rather than a nasty parking podium practically consuming it.
Is it really a sure shot? The supply of downtown rentals is getting so large (between new rental buildings and all the accidental landlords in the new condo buildings) that downtown rental rates are now trending downward. At this point, I'd expect almost any developer to just get PD approval, then sit on it until the market comes back. Obviously rental supply varies by submarket, and I'm not sure how this particular corner of River North is looking from that standpoint, but in general there is already a major glut of both condo units and rentals.
     
     
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Is it really a sure shot? The supply of downtown rentals is getting so large (between new rental buildings and all the accidental landlords in the new condo buildings) that downtown rental rates are now trending downward. At this point, I'd expect almost any developer to just get PD approval, then sit on it until the market comes back. Obviously rental supply varies by submarket, and I'm not sure how this particular corner of River North is looking from that standpoint, but in general there is already a major glut of both condo units and rentals.
I don't have any hard data on that sublocation, either, but while it's a great location within a 15 minute walk of most of the Loop and a couple blocks from both the Red and Brown Line stations, it's also right by a major rental building and near a condo building that has a lot of rentals in it. It's probably do okay, though. Downtown rents aren't falling that far, so I think the place will proceed through planning and then decide whether to build based on the overall economy since downtown demand is basically driven by the availability of downtown jobs.

Also, as all the new office space (300 N Lasalle and 353 N Clark) north of the River comes online, rental demand in River North is likely to increase, but that's harder to gage the exact pattern for by planning stages for this rental could be slowed and stretched out long enough to see how that influences things. I actually think it would have been a great place to put the apartment tower on the north side of the block and a hotel on the south side of the block. With its proximity to the Mart (even the Holiday Inn by the Mart gets over $400/night during conventions) and to 300 N Lasalle, it probably would do quite well even with all the other hotels planned for the area.
     
     
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downtown demand is basically driven by the availability of downtown jobs
This isn't strictly true in my opinion, though of course the 2 (downtown housing demand vs. downtown jobs) will be highly correlated. I remember looking at the residential survey results of Fulton River District and River North residents in regards to the Carroll Ave. Busway, and noting that barely over half of those residents commute to/from downtown jobs. A great many (particularly in 2-person households) commute to professional jobs in I-88/Oakbrook and I-90/O'hare/Schaumburg, and a sizeable percentage are students of one sort or another. It's an interesting question to investigate, and the 2010 census results will be very fruitful with information. In terms of percentages, the number of downtown housing units from 1998-2008 has grown much, much faster than the number of downtown jobs over the same period.
     
     
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Is it really a sure shot? The supply of downtown rentals is getting so large (between new rental buildings and all the accidental landlords in the new condo buildings) that downtown rental rates are now trending downward. At this point, I'd expect almost any developer to just get PD approval, then sit on it until the market comes back. Obviously rental supply varies by submarket, and I'm not sure how this particular corner of River North is looking from that standpoint, but in general there is already a major glut of both condo units and rentals.

It's not a sure shot, but that has more to do with JDL having very little or no experience in apartment development - developing apartment towers vs. condo is completely different as far as the financing - a lot of the condo guys (get a bank loan or package of loans at 90-95% ltv) right now are thinking they can just say it's going to be rental and financing will go there way are going to find out you need strong relationships with institutional investors (debt and equity) to get apartment finanincing and they won't be able to do it.

Now for the market - appraisal research's latest apartment report is more of a blip - the apartment market remains strong and will continue to be so (although of course you won't have occupancy/rental rate growth like the past few years - that of course being unsustainable). Yes, there will be added competetition from the shadow (condo) market, and yes, job growth will decelerate from the past few years as well. But there are two factors that overshadow all of this that will be working to the apartment market's advantage over the next few years - market share grabs (both cbd vs nieghoborhood/sub-wise and own vs rent-wise). Renters are and will continue to increasingly choose downtown vs other city neighborhoods and suburbs on an incremental basis. Also, and this will have a huge, huge impact (you heard it here first, people - don 't underestimate it!) there will be a sustained reverse (decline) in the home-ownership trend (both in Chicago and nationally - we're talking several percentage points toward renting and away from home and condo ownership - the positive impact this has on apartment demand will be very powerful (even 1 percentage point shift would be an exceptional boost to demand). Quickly, let's talk about the shadow (condo) market - even if you add all the condos under construction, recently delivered, etc that will end up as stealth additions to the apartment market downtown, the impact of this will be completely overpowered by the number of apartment units over the last 10-15 years that have been converted to condo - in other words, you would probably show no gain in supply or even a net loss of units including the shadow market - this is incredible, and when this lack of supply is met with the positive demand impacts from the two types of market share gains I mention above - look out folks, apartment demand will be very robust - I think truly professional apartment investment companies like Avalon Bay, the two Texas Apartment companies that are looking to enter the downtown chicago market for the first time, etc really are getting this. Of course a lot of the amateurs at apartments - JDL, and many others who are finding themselves with nothing to build now that the condo market have tanked and are frankly desperate, will fail. Another name that comes to mind along these lines would possibly be D2 - the Curve bombed (I think most likely because he might not know how to finance apartments as opposed to condos), although he's trying a 2nd apt go at the parcel with a new Booth/Hansen design - we'll see.

Anyway, I severely digress. My point is that apartments will be the strongest performing property type (despite quarterly volatility in the data and negative impact from stealth condo market rentals), over the medium-term (next 3-4 years), and not hotel. A lot of people think hotel offer the brightest prospects, but they will be proven wrong within 12-18 months, as there will be a real issue in a year or two with all this increase in supply meeting a sharp drop in demand (everyone in commercial property knows hotels have the most volatility and respond with the quickest and most severe downturn with a sharp downturn in economic acitivity (already companies are sharply reducing travel expenses - if you don't think Chicago we'll see the impacts of this by late this year/early next year at the latest, you're in for a shock). In addition, consumers are very overburdened and domestic discretionary travel expenses will be cutback sharply this year too. Someone will assuredly point out the observed increase in foreign travel to chicago, and yes, that will be a mitigating factor in the hotel sector's coming decline but will completely be overpowered by the reductions in domestic business and vacation travel.
By the way, all my comments refer to the near-and medium-term, as in the long-term, I am very optimistic about all the property types' prospective performance for downtown Chicago. In another post, I'll get into why the leading property type downtown will not be office for the 1-to-3 year outlook...
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This isn't strictly true in my opinion, though of course the 2 (downtown housing demand vs. downtown jobs) will be highly correlated. I remember looking at the residential survey results of Fulton River District and River North residents in regards to the Carroll Ave. Busway, and noting that barely over half of those residents commute to/from downtown jobs. A great many (particularly in 2-person households) commute to professional jobs in I-88/Oakbrook and I-90/O'hare/Schaumburg, and a sizeable percentage are students of one sort or another. It's an interesting question to investigate, and the 2010 census results will be very fruitful with information. In terms of percentages, the number of downtown housing units from 1998-2008 has grown much, much faster than the number of downtown jobs over the same period.

Definitely agree. There's a positive correlation, but there's a lot more to it...
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Is this a mis-quote or are these guys not up on their current events. The hotel cass has already completed renovations and is now the hotel cass, a holiday inn express.

It certainly discounts some of the other things they said.

http://www.casshotel.com/


These are all very biased perspectives. I sometimes go to ULI events, but am always much more interested to hear what independent market analysts, researchers, etc have to say. Not to say everything these guys had to say was invalid, but you have to always remember they are going to say a lot of nonsense that is a result of the natural sharp bias they have due to their respective business business positions and motives. Anyone who follows bond markets could relate to the ultimate analogy - it's like putting any stock in anything that comes out of Bill Gross' mouth when he opines on the future direction of the 10-year treasury yield, fed funds rate, etc - you're for a moment wondering if he's been taking his meds, but then you realize the business motives behind his 'analyses' and then it all starts to make sense...
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I agree. I like the how the Columbian looks from the Roosevelt 'L' stop, but find it increasingly unsatisfying from any other angle. I think it's safe to say that OMP needs some more companions aside from the Columbian.
     
     
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I was admiring the Columbian's street-level windows and storefronts just this week. They're quite elegant; worthy of the Magnificent Mile or the Champs d'Elysées.
     
     
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Thanks for the shots, Steely. It's very hard for me to visualize where these Evanston towers are going until they are about 8 stories out of the ground... just don't know the area well enough by street name.
     
     
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Here you go. The Winthrop Club site is outlined in red below. as you can see it's a mid-block building. the sites on the block immediately north and south are currently underdeveloped. i expect MASSIVE nimbyism after the new residents of winthrop club have moved in and if and when redevelopment schemes to the north and south are made public.

this image from google maps is several years old now as it still shows sherman plaza (in the center of the image) as a big construction site.


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Thanks for the shots, Steely. It's very hard for me to visualize where these Evanston towers are going until they are about 8 stories out of the ground... just don't know the area well enough by street name.
Thank you Steely, I have no problem visualizing this one, In the 80's I worked in the White and Black striped building on the Left.
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... this image from google maps is several years old now as it still shows sherman plaza (in the center of the image) as a big construction site. ...
Google maps images of Chicago and environs just plain suck. They are, by my estimation, five years old. Their site claims to refresh images every 2-3 years, but they obviously don't. It's disappointing.
     
     
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