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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 2:29 AM
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The convention center still has the space to use if it choses to expand.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 4:28 AM
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one other thing I heard on the report last night on Eyewitness News regarding the slowing economy was that the Park Fifth sales office reported that they had sold over 300 units, with 8 sold in the last week. They said demand was still very high for the project due to its 'landmark' nature. This was channel 7 Eyewitness News at 6 PM last nite I believe that I watched this.
A video of that report can be seen here. Only issue I have with it is that it begins with a bird's eye view of the site of neither the Grand Ave or parkfifth projs, so ppl who don't know the hood will mistakenly assume the shots were showing the location of one or both of the 2 projs.

As for LA Live, & based on what I saw of the hood around it last Saturday when driving by on the fwy, it will be alot better when the land north of Olympic is cleared out as soon as possible. That part of the hood, so easy to see from all over, really brings down the tone of everything. And with the new hotel rising right across the street---which will be great keeping track of over the next several months, esp if it goes up faster than concrete framed bldgs----it's a good time to start tearing down & cleaning up.

Speaking of the fwy I was on a few days ago, it also goes right by this area, & I can say that the new Canvas LA apt bldg sits very, very close to the side of the 110:


Apartment Projects Dotting Central City West

REAL ESTATE: Landlords cash in on tenants seeking to live closer to work.

By BRETT SPORICH, Staff Reporter

Once called a ghost town, the neighborhood west of the Harbor (110) Freeway near downtown is now dotted with apartment construction. The driving force behind the upswing in the Central City West rental market is the desire to live close to the employment center. This new workforce seems reluctant to buy property in the area, given the overall downturn in the housing market.

With more downtown workers entering the rental market, rates have been increasing. Mixed-use apartments in the Central City West area, such as the recently opened Glo and the soon-to-be unveiled Canvas, are reaping the benefits of a sagging sales market in a high-demand area.

"We've leased 17 units during the past two weeks and we are now at 65 percent occupancy since we opened in November," said Tom Warren, president of Holland Partners, which developed the 201-unit Glo at the corner of Wilshire Boulevard and Bixel Street.

Realizing the demand for housing near downtown, developers such as Warren have embraced the 1999 adaptive-reuse city ordinance that allows landowners to develop residential, high-density housing in areas that were formerly zoned for commercial use. Holland Partners, based in Vancouver, Washington, recently acquired a 4.1-acre block in the Central City West neighborhood with plans to build a mixed-use development.

The company is planning a 650-unit apartment building with about 40,000 square feet of retail space for the parcel at the corner of Sixth Street and Wilshire Boulevard. Holland Partners is also planning a 400-unit, mixed-use apartment project at 1111 Wilshire Blvd. in the neighborhood.

Warren is banking on a number of factors that he believes are attracting renters to the area west of the Harbor Freeway, but none is more significant than the area's employment opportunities. There are about 6,800 jobs within a two-block radius of the 1050 Wilshire Glo project, Warren said. And while there are 450,000 jobs within a 1-mile radius of downtown, only 7,500 residential units are available in that same area.

Demand for housing close to downtown's financial district is significant, with 12 jobs per unit in and around downtown, compared with an average of 3.2 jobs per unit for all of Southern California.

Views, overpasses

Selling points for the neighborhood are its hilltop views. Also, pedestrians can walk to downtown across overpasses. With rent in these newly developed and planned apartments ranging from about $1,800 for a studio to $5,000 and up for a two-bedroom unit, upscale amenities such as pools, observation decks, gyms and cutting-edge soundproofing are expected. Freeway proximity can be a problem, though.

Alliance Residential Co. had to take noise reduction measures on Canvas LA, a 100-unit project overlooking the Harbor Freeway at 138 N. Beaudry Ave., north of First Street in the Central City West neighborhood. The apartments required two sets of double-pane glass in each window facing the freeway, said Thomas Cox, president of TCA, an architectural firm that designed Canvas LA for Phoenix-based Alliance.

Central City West exemplifies the bullishness of the apartment market throughout Los Angeles. The 2008 edition of the National Apartment Index ranked Los Angeles as the No. 6 market in the nation, moving it up three positions from last year. The report also estimates that 4,700 apartment units are slated for construction in the Los Angeles area during 2008.

"The high-priced housing market and rise in luxury apartments as well as the condos transitioning into apartments most likely played significant roles in this increase," said Terry Slattery, vice president and general manager of For Rent Media Solutions, a real estate analysis company.

The apartment construction shows that downtown's condo boom stopped at the freeway. There has only been one reuse condo project completed---1100 Wilshire. The rest of the neighborhood will be occupied by renters.

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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 5:00 AM
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^ Call me stupid, but where downtown or in City West is there a "corner of Sixth Street and Wilshire Boulevard"?
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^ Stupid.

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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 5:12 AM
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Now that you mention it, 6th & Wilshire actually run parallel to each other. The reporter must have meant some location bounded to the north by 6th St & to the south by Wilshire. Only question is what is the cross street?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 5:39 AM
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Now that you mention it, 6th & Wilshire actually run parallel to each other. The reporter must have meant some location bounded to the north by 6th St & to the south by Wilshire. Only question is what is the cross street?
Bixel, because it specified that it's next to Glo
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 6:25 AM
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Erika Nelson, vice-president of marketing for Park Fifth, believe's her project's distinction as being the tallest residential building west of Chicago, will help keep it on track. Francin Orr/Los Angeles Times
     
     
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Well that settles it. If that doesn't prove Park Fifth will break ground this year nothing will.

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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 7:28 AM
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I'd like to think so, but I bet ladowntowner would beg to differ!
I'd like to see just about all of the proposed projects out there move forward at a reasonable pace, but I regret to say, IMHO, it just ain't gonna happen, folks. At least not in the near term, if at all. Certainly not on the current schedules.

I'd give Grand about a 50% chance of going ahead with a real ground breaking for Phase 1 before Dec. 31st, 2008. That does not include tearing down the tinker toy parking lot, which has better odds of actually getting torn down before third quarter '08 winds down. After Grand, I'll go with LA Central, but no chance at all before the start of '09 and I'd give Park Fifth about 50/50 odds of ever breaking ground at all. It has always struck me as pie in the sky and I imagine they are inflating their 300+ reservations considerably.

Anything with a residential element, and especially condos, is going to be in for a tough sell for a good long spell. Hotels/retail may fare a little better downtown. The fact that all three of the aforementioned projects have a strong hotel/retail element could bode well for them, but the residential aspects could/will/is cause them to stall longer than they otherwise might.

That said, I don't really see the demand for Grand as much as for LA Central, due to the latter's proximity to the L.A. Live/Staples/Convention Center complex. I mean this area is shaping up to be a real powerhouse, what with the critical mass of South Group/Concerto/Hanover/717/Market Lofts and earlier, more established residential. The area of Grand has the Music Center/MOCA/Civic Center. I don't see those venues driving demand like the former - but I understand that Grand is a very high profile project with strong city backing and that's why it gets my vote as first and most likely to break ground. Park Fifth is even somewhat less desirable from a location standpoint, but supposedly even more "high end" - in other words: more expensive. Don't get me wrong, I like it, want to see it happen as a catalyst to that area and, hopefully, it will instigate a proper redo of Pershing Square.

If anything goes down significantly different than what I've outlined here I will be utterly shocked. But what do I know?
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 7:29 AM
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^ Call me stupid, but where downtown or in City West is there a "corner of Sixth Street and Wilshire Boulevard"?
Yeah. That did not compute with me either. Doh! I hate when they do that...
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2009 is a big year for downtown. For Metro, the Goldline Eastside extension opens, giving Metro rail access for the residents of the Arts District & Little Tokyo. 717 Ninth, Concerto, Medallion are all significant new developments under construction today that will open next year. And, I'm sure there'll be countless of additional conversions. Hopefully taxis will be allowed to stop in the anti-gridlock zone (ideally, I would love to see a repeal of anti-gridlock zone in downtown).

Good points! I believe '08/'09 (at least) will see very little activity regarding any projects that haven't already actually broken ground, but that doesn't mean it will be "quiet" downtown.
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I'd give Grand about a 50% chance of going ahead with a real ground breaking for Phase 1 before Dec. 31st, 2008. That does not include tearing down the tinker toy parking lot...
Why don't you guys head on over with some sledge hammers and get the "tinker toy" out of the way? It would be symbolic, like tearing down the Berlin Wall! It may actually spur development! There'll be cameras and you'll be heros. Put up or shut up! I'd do it but I'm 300 miles away
     
     
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Why don't you guys head on over with some sledge hammers and get the "tinker toy" out of the way? It would be symbolic, like tearing down the Berlin Wall! It may actually spur development! There'll be cameras and you'll be heros. Put up or shut up! I'd do it but I'm 300 miles away
I can hear it now: "Mr. Villaraigosa, tear down this garage!!!"
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^ Call me stupid, but where downtown or in City West is there a "corner of Sixth Street and Wilshire Boulevard"?
They say that 1100 is the only condo project in the neighborhood.

Hello... Vero?? Residences@Bixel?
     
     
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I can hear it now: "Mr. Villaraigosa, tear down this garage!!!"
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It's a real pain in the ass seeing most other major cities fare off better than we are.
I mean really, how hard is it to tear down a stupid little parking structure?
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Unfortuntaly JD, you need five permits to take a crap in this town. The amount of red tape you must go through to just get approval for a project could almost fill all of the used Starbucks cups at Britney Spears' house.
I do agree to a point with LAdowntowner...LA Central would be the more urgent project in my opinion...being that it is working in concert with the already up and running LA Live and Convention Center.
Maybe we will get some news before mid year?!?
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Unfortuntaly JD, you need five permits to take a crap in this town. The amount of red tape you must go through to just get approval for a project could almost fill all of the used Starbucks cups at Britney Spears' house.
this is a great post.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2008, 1:06 AM
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^ That is a great post. You could almost fill all Britney's used Starbucks cups. Almost.

JDR, you're going to have to get out of this competitive city-to-city mindset if you ever want to live an unfrustrated existence on these forums. It's not about what other cities do or how many high-rises they have. Instead, it's about what is happening in downtown LA. If you can wrap your head around that, you'll see that a good deal of progress is occurring all around downtown. If you can't, I fear that you'll grow up to become citywatch.
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