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I ate at J Lounge for the first time last night for my first solid meal in a week (decent food, but a bit overpriced), and Evo really makes an impact when standing on 12th street (the angle from Friday's photo above). It has a really great presence at night with those dark-tinted windows. It's really coming together nicely.
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Evo is lookin' great! How much longer do you guys think it will be before they take down the crane?

The restaurant at Hanover has a patio? Are the sidewalks big enough?
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Good shots Fridayinla of the LA Live Hotel!

Man guys, it's rising fast.
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L.A.'s upscale downtown delayed

As the economy takes a toll on plans, observers focus their concern on two mega-projects: Grand Avenue and Park Fifth.

By Cara Mia DiMassa, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
5:26 PM PST, February 24, 2008

The downtown Los Angeles skyline is still dotted with construction cranes, but not as many as developers once promised.

More than a third of the approximately 110 residential projects proposed for downtown -- including the 50-story Zen tower on Third and Hill streets, the Mill Street Lofts in the industrial district, the multitower Metropolis off the 110 Freeway and the conversion of the former Herald Examiner building -- have been delayed or put on hold during the rocky real estate market.

Yet downtown boosters and urban planners are focusing most of their angst on two mega-projects: the Frank Gehry-designed Grand Avenue complex on Bunker Hill and Park Fifth, which would be the tallest residential complex west of Chicago.

Both projects have pushed back their start dates in recent months as they sought capital and construction loans in an increasingly difficult market and negotiated the various government approvals needed to begin construction.

Grand Avenue officials announced Friday that one of the project's original investors -- the California Public Employees' Retirement System -- was pulling out and that Istithmar, a fund controlled by the royal family of Dubai, was investing about $75 million in the $3-billion development on Bunker Hill.

The foreign investment, officials said, is designed to help jump-start the project by providing the capital needed for Grand Avenue to obtain a massive construction loan. Such loans have been harder to get amid the current real estate slump.

The fate of both projects is increasingly being seen as a tipping point for the future of downtown.

Though the area has seen an influx of loft dwellers over the last decade -- the population has doubled to 34,000 -- many urban planners see it as a work still very much in progress.

Even the most ardent of downtown supporters agree that the area has not yet reached a critical mass -- in part because most of downtown's rejuvenation is occurring in pockets rather than across the entire zone.

New downtown dwellers still complain about a lack of shopping and that for every newly vibrant street, there are others that still seem dead. The high-end retailers that downtown boosters would love to open at the city center have kicked the tires but still not agreed to put stores there.

Grand Avenue and Park Fifth are seen as crucial because they would bring a new kind of retail -- upscale hotels, gourmet markets, fancy gyms and boutiques that are usually found in high-end malls -- to downtown.

The flagship projects also are going after a segment of the buying market that so far has resisted moving downtown in big numbers: wealthy condo buyers who would be attracted to the architectural significance of their buildings as well as the high-end amenities they offer. Such people would include empty nesters moving in from high-end suburbs as well as people seeking second homes.

"Imagine you are a hedge fund manager," said Erika Nelson, vice president of marketing for Park Fifth. "Instead of building something in Pasadena or in the hills, you can have something to your tastes."

Experts say the two developments also would be "destinations" that could draw people into the city center.

"They add to the imagery of downtown," said Anastasia Loukaitou-Sideris, chairwoman of the Urban Planning Department at UCLA. "They put downtown on the map for the larger area."

Officials at Park Fifth and Grand Avenue insist that the delays will be brief and that the developers are on track.

The $2-billion Grand Avenue plan calls for building shops, condo towers and a boutique hotel -- as well as a civic park -- on city and county land near the Walt Disney Concert Hall downtown.

The project, now is being called The Grand by its developer, was originally set to begin construction last fall but was delayed -- and then delayed again. Groundbreaking now is projected for this summer.

Bill Witte, chief executive of Related California, the developer, said the delays in starting construction were more a result of the time it took to develop designs with Gehry and get approvals from government agencies for the developmentthan to the credit crunch.

Related turned to the Dubai fund after CalPERS' financial advisor -- the investment firm MacFarlane Partners -- decided that it had already spent enough on downtown projects, including another downtown mega-project, L.A. Live.

Istithmar acquired Barneys New York last year and holds a significant financial stake in Time Warner. It also owns 73% of the Mandarin Oriental New York, the hotel at the Related-built Time Warner Center at Columbus Circle. (The Grand Avenue project also is expected to have a Mandarin Oriental hotel.)

The change in capital partners will have to be approved over the next month by the city's Community Redevelopment Agency, Los Angeles County and the joint city-county board that oversees the project.

The joint board is set to vote on the project's design development documents at a public meeting today.

The nature of the public-private partnership penalizes Related if it doesn't make the 2011 deadline for opening the project. So far, city and county officials -- in part because of the lawsuit -- have allowed Related to extend the deadlines that the project's schedule of performance requires.

Concerns about the health of Grand Avenue were heightened last month when Gehry, speaking at the Music Center, was quoted in a downtown blog as saying he was skeptical of the project's timeline and expected money to be a significant hurdle to its completion. Related officials insist that quote was inaccurate; Gehry did not respond to requests for an interview.

Park Fifth would rise around Pershing Square with two towers -- including a 76-story building -- containing a five-star hotel as well as upscale shops and eateries. Its developers also encountered road bumps getting through the public environmental impact report and entitlement processes, and also have had to add a new investor to cover the additional capital required in the current financial market to get the project off the ground.

Despite the difficulties, Nelson said, they expect to open the first of the two high-rise towers in late 2010. And she said sales for the project were moving forward, with reservations on 300 of the approximately 750 units.

Nelson says she thinks the development can succeed where others have failed because it is distinctive. "We are super-high end. And we're the tallest residential building west of Chicago -- which people have latched onto," she said.

But some real estate experts are skeptical, saying the downturn in the economy -- and the falling real estate market -- is making investors skittish about huge new developments.

"The bottom line is, the real estate world is frozen right now," said Homer Williams, a Portland developer who is involved in a number of projects in downtown L.A.'s South Park district. "Unless you have to move -- either you've been transferred, get married, divorced, something that compels you to do something -- you aren't going to do anything."

Moreover, Grand Avenue and Park Fifth face competition in the high-end tower market. Several large condo towers are slated for Century City and Beverly Hills, including a 45-story, wisp-thin tower designed by French architect Jean Nouvel.

Condos in that development are expected to start at $3 million. Architect Richard Meier is working on another ultra-high end condo tower complex on the site of a former Robinsons-May department store in Beverly Hills.

The question is whether downtown can persuade those buyers to take a chance on the fledgling neighborhood.

The area might get an answer in coming months with L.A. Live. It's moving forward without the delays that Grand Avenue and Park Fifth have encountered. L.A. Live, which opened its first phase -- the Nokia Theater -- last fall, will eventually include a hotel-and-condo tower, the West Coast headquarters for ESPN, restaurants and a multiplex.

The condominiums, which are being marketed as the Ritz Carlton Residences at L.A. Live, are selling for at least a million dollars each -- and as much as $1,000 a square foot.

L.A. Live has been boosted by the activity and growing street life around Staples Center. Grand Avenue hopes the nearby cultural attractions of the Music Center and the Museum of Contemporary Art can similarly enhance that project.

"We remain very bullish about this," said Witte, the project's developer. "Especially when times are tough, it's very important you have a story to tell."
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^They call The Grand both a $3 billion and a $2 billion development. So much for fact checking. Either way the $75 million from the Dubai royal family is a drop in the bucket. Still far from certain at this point.

I'm looking as forward to LA Central as much as I am Park 5th and they are now saying groundbreaking by the end of 2008, if then. There's not going to be very many groundbreakings for the next year or more. If both The Grand and Park 5th break ground before the end of the year I'll consider us very lucky even if that's all that does break ground.
     
     
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^ The $75 million is for equity financing, not construction financing. In today's tight credit market, lenders are requiring a higher percentage of equity up front - essentially a down payment. This $75 million may be closer to 1/3 of the equity needed to secure a construction loan, which is a lot more significant than it sounds.

The more I look at Friday's pictures, the more I'm liking the progress we're seeing at LA Live. Design, not so much, but the progress is really picking up. Notice the glass going in on the ESPN Building (which Friday captured very well). And it seems like they're applying the facade panels at a much faster rate on the Grammy Museum Building than they did on the previous two buildings.
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I was looking at the pics westsidelife posted on the previous page and at the lalive website at the same time. LA Live looks like a ship that crashed into olympic and figueroa. It's a huge complex and it looks like the hitch's that will hold billboards are going up along the ESPN building at the corner of Chick Hearn and Fig.. also, the corner of Olympic and Fig seem to have those hitch's (at least from what I can see in the pic). Anyhow, comparing what's in westsidelife's pic and the rendering in the lalive site, I wonder if the ESPN building will actually be red, or change colors similar to the nokia theater. If so, it'll be interesting to see how they pull that off. Very grand and exciting.
     
     
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Though the area has seen an influx of loft dwellers over the last decade -- the population has doubled to 34,000 -- many urban planners see it as a work still very much in progress. Even the most ardent of downtown supporters agree that the area has not yet reached a critical mass -- in part because most of downtown's rejuvenation is occurring in pockets rather than across the entire zone.

New downtown dwellers still complain about a lack of shopping and that for every newly vibrant street, there are others that still seem dead.
The reporter, in a few sentences, pretty much captured the essence of the hood's current shape & situation. That's why I'm always hoping to see as many new changes & improvements to the hood as possible.

The one problem with her article is that she didn't go into greater detail about the latest info on projs like parkfifth. She didn't reveal anything we're not already aware of. So I wish she'd have nailed down a more specific timetable for the parkfifth's groundbreaking. However, I know that the 300 reservations the devlpr has publicized for some time could be alot higher to give the funders more confidence to move forward, or something closer to 360 or 400 reservations, or at least half of the total number of condos.


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Officials at Park Fifth and Grand Avenue insist that the delays will be brief and that the developers are on track.

Park Fifth would rise around Pershing Square with two towers -- including a 76-story building -- containing a five-star hotel as well as upscale shops and eateries. Its developers also encountered road bumps getting through the public environmental impact report and entitlement processes, and also have had to add a new investor to cover the additional capital required in the current financial market to get the project off the ground.

Despite the difficulties, Nelson said, they expect to open the first of the two high-rise towers in late 2010. And she said sales for the project were moving forward, with reservations on 300 of the approximately 750 units.

Nelson says she thinks the development can succeed where others have failed because it is distinctive. "We are super-high end. And we're the tallest residential building west of Chicago -- which people have latched onto," she said.

I wanna see the pool of potential buyers or renters in the hood expand beyond the current group of mainly young singles, inc students from USC, & ppl from a few other countries, mainly Korea, & start to include empty nesters, residents from hoods several miles to the west of DT----like the ones living near all the $$ highrise condos going up on wilshire blvd & Century city----& all the burbs in general. The hood will really come into its own when it 24 hr population is even more diverse.



Meanwhile, here's the way that a visitor from the London Times sees things:

Art attack in Los Angeles

Once a rambling city of suburbs, LA is reinventing itself. Chris Haslam reports on La-La land’s cultural revolution

There’s an enormous electronic billboard on the corner of Santa Monica Boulevard and Bundy. Somewhat predictably, LA has turned stopping at the traffic lights into an ad break: as you wait, you watch commercials for a shiny mobile phone for $35 a month, the latest chick flick and a hybrid car that can go from LA to San Francisco on one tank of good intentions. Stay tuned and you’ll see Jesus – not Christ our Lord, but Rodriguez the tax attorney – and then, as the lights turn green, a fleeting glimpse of local-boy-done-bad Emigdio Preciado Jr, one of the FBI’s top 10 most wanted. It’s LA life boiled down to a series of messages from its sponsors, but LA culture is far harder to pin down.

Because Los Angeles has no centre – Dorothy Parker famously described it as “72 suburbs in search of a city” – any visit here is essentially a trip to the ’burbs. Universal Studios is in North Hollywood, the Getty Center is in Brentwood and the Huntington Library is way out in San Marino. The best hotels are in Beverly Hills, the best bars are in West Hollywood and the beach is over in Santa Monica. And that’s the way it’s been since the automobile and the freeway allowed Angelenos to commute, with billionaire building contractors such as Eli Broad selling suburban living as the quintessential architectural expression of the American dream. The downside was that downtown became a desert, a nightmare on Main Street, abandoned after dark to the rats and the gangs.

Such urban heart disease used to be fatal, but these days there is a cure. It has worked – sort of – in London’s Southwark and it has given Bilbao a new lease of life. Valencia is undergoing treatment and LA, with its characteristic affection for medication, is already addicted. And it’s an easy pill to swallow: you build a Tate, a Guggenheim or a City of Arts and Sciences, and that stilled heart starts beating again.

Over the past 15 years, the city has poured a lot of money into its empty heart. There’s the $163m (£84m) cathedral – nicknamed the Taj Mahoney after its controversial cardinal – and Frank Gehry’s magnificent Walt Disney Concert Hall, part of a highbrow entertainment complex that is LA’s version of London’s South Bank. A mile away down South Figueroa Street, beside the huge stadium of the Staples Center, is the Nokia LA Live complex – a $4.2 billion entertainment zone comprising a theatre, performance spaces, bars, restaurants and a 54-storey Ritz-Carlton (to open in 2010) – touted, somewhat depressingly, as “Times Square West.”

And that’s just the start. This summer sees the beginning of the Grand Avenue Project, a $3 billion reworking of the city centre, pitched as “the Los Angeles version of the Champs-Elysées”, and featuring a 16-acre park flanked by public buildings leading down to the Daily Planet tower of City Hall. The man behind the plan is none other than Eli Broad, the builder who made his billions persuading Angelenos to live in the ’burbs, and the Grand Avenue Project isn’t his only scheme to drag them back into town.

The shallowest city on earth has been pimping its artistic attractions for years, but since that was like Burger King announcing it sold salads, nobody paid much attention. After all, this is the city where cultural tourism means finding Britney’s house on a map of the homes of the stars.

So when LA announced the gala opening of the Broad Contemporary Arts Museum (BCAM) on an old car park, my expectations were matched only by my enthusiasm. Or, as the locals say, I was, like, whatever, dude. And then I was, like, wow, man. Forget the building: the architect Renzo Piano’s original concept is there somewhere, buried beneath layers of travertine and compromise (the locals are already calling it Pompidou Lite) – but what it contains is the distilled essence of contemporary American art.

The show starts on the third floor with a cabaret of Jeff Koons’s finest moments. Michael Jackson and Bubbles, in all their nauseating, Franklin Mint tackiness, recline in the shadow of an elephantine stainless-steel balloon dog, a 6ft cracked egg and a theme-park St John the Baptist. It’s the sacred and the plastic profane, side by side in a space that could be nowhere but LA. Anterooms hide Warhol and Hirst, curiously out of context in the natural light flooding through the glass ceiling, and as you percolate downwards in the biggest lift I have ever seen, through six galleries rammed to the rafters with works from Rothko to Rauschenberg and Baldessari to Basquiat, it becomes clear that this is a world-beating collection.

All but a handful belong to Broad, who’d need another dozen BCAMs to display the full extent of his loot. Ludicrously, despite having his name above the door, the septuagenarian builder-turned-benefactor has now decided not to donate his hoard to the museum, lending the works on display for one year only. The 178 pieces by 28 of the world’s most important contemporary artists might never be in the same place at the same time again, but that’s not the only reason why you need to visit LA this year. In a post 9/11, postcredit crunch, postmodernist and soon-to-be post Bush world, there are few cities outside of Shanghai that are buzzing like the City of Angels.

This month, the breathtakingly beautiful Getty Villa (www.getty.edu) relaunched its theatre lab series, offering cut-price performances of reworked classical texts. Nothing quite overshadows the true-life drama of its former curator, Marion True, standing trial in Italy on charges of antiquity theft, but Oedipus Rex, reset somewhere between the State penitentiary and the barrios of East LA, comes close, in a Socrates-meets-the-Sopranos way. Performances of Icarus and Philoktetes run for the rest of the season, with tickets at just $7 (£3.50). February also saw the opening of the $18m Chinese gardens at the Huntington Library (www.huntington.org), and this autumn sees the launch of the Grammy Museum (www.grammymuseum.org), charting the history of recorded music.

But, above all, you should come for the art. The New York Times has conceded that LA is “the centre of visual art making” in America, which must have really hurt. The Getty Center, that hilltop temple of high art, celebrates its 10th anniversary with the installation of the Stark collection of modern sculpture, comprising 28 pieces by the likes of Miro, Magritte, Léger and Giacometti. And the jewel that is the Museum of Latin American Art (www.molaa.org) has reopened after a three-year, $10m expansion.
     
     
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Work on the signage for 717 Olympic is happening today at the corner of Olympic & Fig.

They are adding some wide metal channels to the signage framing. Was hoping it would be modules for an LED system, but up close it looks less exciting than that. Maybe it's just a solid backing for fabric signage?

     
     
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Tranquility Base under Sky lofts is really good. Went there on Friday. Everything about it is good and it's open till 2am.
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Damn, that article posted by citywatch was pretty annoying. "After all, this is the city where cultural tourism means finding Britney’s house on a map of the homes of the stars," is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Oh, and the Getty Center is in LA (Brentwood = LA).

Regarding 717 Olympic, the podium itself was never to have a rounded corner at Figueroa and Olympic. It's the signage in the rendering that gave us the optical illusion of a curved podium.
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Damn, that article posted by citywatch was pretty annoying. "After all, this is the city where cultural tourism means finding Britney’s house on a map of the homes of the stars," is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Oh, and the Getty Center is in LA (Brentwood = LA).
But how far is brentwood from downtown? And you can't deny we get billions of dollars of the backs of tourists to whom we've sold the delusion of finding celebrities and glamour here. What I found interesting about the article was that it spoke of creative energy thats been incubating in Los Angeles over the years. And it's definitely here. LA is a world capital of design and contemporary art. Strangely though this energy hasn't translated into policy. LA is brimming with creative energy but its still hidden under the disguise of a bland suburban metropolis. That energy has not been funneled to public art and urban design. Architecturally speaking we are still getting scraps from big mainstream developers. LA needs to promote itself as a playground for architects, not bound by traditions of older and more established cities. Thats why I think the metro is so important because once you bring people to the streets and sidewalks, developers begin pay more attention to details and how their buildings interact with the pedestrian. Wilshire+Vermont station is an example of this, so while the development above that station isn't great, it is at least trying something new in a city where strip malls are the norm. you're starting to sound like daveofcali with your recent boosterism westsidelife
     
     
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Tranquility Base under Sky lofts is really good. Went there on Friday. Everything about it is good and it's open till 2am.
Good to hear. Hope they put up a sign, soon. It's hard to tell what it is, much less where the entrance is.
     
     
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And you can't deny we get billions of dollars of the backs of tourists to whom we've sold the delusion of finding celebrities and glamour here.
I don't think you can really consider that "culture" by any stretch of the imagination.

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What I found interesting about the article was that it spoke of creative energy thats been incubating in Los Angeles over the years. And it's definitely here. LA is a world capital of design and contemporary art. Strangely though this energy hasn't translated into policy.
I fail to see the connection between urban planning/zoning and arts and culture. Perhaps you can elaborate more on this one.

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LA is brimming with creative energy but its still hidden under the disguise of a bland suburban metropolis. That energy has not been funneled to public art and urban design.
That I can agree with.

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Architecturally speaking we are still getting scraps from big mainstream developers. LA needs to promote itself as a playground for architects, not bound by traditions of older and more established cities.
So, in essence, you prefer the more unconventional, expressionist type of work of the Gehrys and the Maynes over "traditional" architectural powerhouses such as SOM and KPF?

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you're starting to sound like daveofcali with your recent boosterism westsidelife
Culturally speaking, yes, I am a huge LA booster. I have my rants as well, ya know. Overall, I'm in the middle. I can sway one way or the other, depending on what mood I'm in.
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Tranquility Base under Sky lofts is really good. Went there on Friday. Everything about it is good and it's open till 2am.
Everything? Not so much.
     
     
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^ I may have been expecting too much and I have been there more than a few times and nothing on the menu was even close to exceptional. The calamari is a good test. Colori at 8th/Olive is far more reasonable and IS exceptional tasting. They don't have their liquor license yet but you can BYOW. IMHO
     
     
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I was looking at the pics westsidelife posted on the previous page and at the lalive website at the same time. LA Live looks like a ship that crashed into olympic and figueroa.
I see it now.

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