Salt Lake Transit News Thread - Page 16

urbanboy · #**301** Posted **Feb 17, 2008, 7:00 PM**

I don't know how reliable this information is, but I heard last night that Delta and Northwest were merging!?

RC14 · #**302** Posted **Feb 19, 2008, 6:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

Increasing traffic causes problems for commuters Local employees want to create a bus route from Salt Lake to Park City

http://www.parkrecord.com/business/ci_8274101

Cars pile up on Main Street on Thursday, a busy spot throughout the day. Many commuters coming from Salt Lake or Heber Valley complain that the pollution in the skies and danger is worsening on the freeways and highways ever day. Many hope more public transportation will be offered and used. (Scott Sine/Park Record)

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I would eventualy like to see some type of rapid transit line from SLC to Park City, but It would even be nice just to have a bus. I wanted to try to get a job up at the Canyons but I didn't want to drive up there in the snow every day, a transit line would solve that problum.

Future Mayor · #**303** Posted **Feb 19, 2008, 6:43 PM**

Here's a solution that my father proposed, not to anyone in authority, several decades ago. Obviously there are environmental issues but it was just an idea.

From the base of the canyons or some other transit center you could send a monorail up little cottonwood, either over or through to big cottonwood and over or through to Park City and back down parleys to wasatch blvd. It could be a big loop. Imagine how many less cars and busses would have to go big and little and you wouldn't get caught in traffic and pollute the canyons with exhaust.

Hadn't come to my mind for years, just something he had said, and like I said I realize environmental issues would be involved and I'm not neccesarily proposing it. SO BACK OFF! lol

urbanboy · #**304** Posted **Feb 19, 2008, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I'm not neccesarily proposing it. SO BACK OFF! lol

In my mind, unless you explain the environmental implications rather than just stating that there are some, you just did.

Future Mayor · #**305** Posted **Feb 19, 2008, 7:00 PM**

I think proposing it and saying here's an idea someone had one time are not the same. I never said they should build it, I never said I supported it or didn't support it. Just passing on one persons idea. You can blame my dad if you want, I guess he's the one that proposed it.

Gee you and I haven't gotten into it this much on so many different threads in months.

RC14 · #**306** Posted **Feb 19, 2008, 7:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Here's a solution that my father proposed, not to anyone in authority, several decades ago. Obviously there are environmental issues but it was just an idea.

From the base of the canyons or some other transit center you could send a monorail up little cottonwood, either over or through to big cottonwood and over or through to Park City and back down parleys to wasatch blvd. It could be a big loop. Imagine how many less cars and busses would have to go big and little and you wouldn't get caught in traffic and pollute the canyons with exhaust.

Hadn't come to my mind for years, just something he had said, and like I said I realize environmental issues would be involved and I'm not neccesarily proposing it. SO BACK OFF! lol

I like it, I think it would benefit the tourist industry. Imagin the views it would provide.
It would cost a fortune however.

WASDEN · #**307** Posted **Feb 20, 2008, 1:41 AM**

I've had that thought too Future Mayor. Last year I went to visit some family in Switzerland, quite mountainous just like here. I was amazed at how smoothly the transit system ran up and down the terrain. After touching down in Zurich, I hoped a train from the airport, and met my family in Zermatt- a wicked ski town right at the base of the Matterhorn. I couldn't help but daydream about a similar line from SLC to Park City. North/South Front Runner will be awesome. It would be cool to have a complimentary East/West route like Park City to Tooele once the demand is there.

delts145 · #**308** Posted **Feb 20, 2008, 3:21 AM**

I have often dreamed of the type of Euro/Japanese style transport that you guys are talking about. Imagine an East to West type commuter which gave someone the opportunity to live in Tooele, yet work in Heber. To be able to board a rapid transit system in Provo/BYU, ski in Park City for the afternoon and live in an apartment in Ogden or Downtown Salt lake. I think this will be possible in the not to distant future of our CSA. If we keep growing at our current pace and hold on to our futuristic vision of mass-transit, it will happen in our lifetime.

I know many might find this a little far-fetched, but we're not that far away from a population of 5 million. The time will come when pipeing desalinated water from the ocean, and mass transit from Tooele to Heber will be a viable option.

DMTower · #**309** Posted **Feb 20, 2008, 5:04 AM**

I think the time is almost already here when there will be demand for a Trax or Frontrunner extension up to Park City and the only way they will be able to get through that canyon in the winter is for an elevated/monorail type construction. I think once the transport lines start branching into the east side neighborhoods such as Sugarhouse it's only a hop skip and a jump away from Park City extensions.

RC14 · #**310** Posted **Feb 20, 2008, 3:54 PM**

I have dreamed of a Frontrunner line going from tooele to Park City, and one going from Provo through Provo Canyon up throught Heber and Park City, Morgan and up to Ogden.
I think in the future this will be one giant Metropolitan Area.

scrapernerd · #**311** Posted **Feb 20, 2008, 6:23 PM**

I have also thought it would be cool to have trains going up parley's. But wouldn't that just be sprawl without roads? Whats the difference in sprawl with a train, then with a road? I'm just saying if people don't want roads for people in saratogo spring area, why should we send trains to rich people in park city who can afford 3 mpg truck? sorry just being the devils advocate. And selfish because I don't want more people near the Uinta mountain! everyone just needs to stay away from them so I can be there without all of slc there as well
well thats my rant!

arkhitektor · #**312** Posted **Feb 20, 2008, 8:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by scrapernerd

I have also thought it would be cool to have trains going up parley's. But wouldn't that just be sprawl without roads? Whats the difference in sprawl with a train, then with a road?

I've wondered the same thing myself. With FrontRunner coming online soon, We've looked at the possibility of moving even further from the city since we can buy an even bigger house for less without increasing my commute time. The idea of driving each day to Salt Lake from Pleasant View is something I would never consider, but would I still be a horrible sprawlmonger for living so far from work - even if I rode the train to work each day?

urbanboy · #**313** Posted **Feb 20, 2008, 9:27 PM**

This is why I think we should focus on the local level just as much as the regional level, making sure each regional line connects to an efficient and extensive local mass transit network.

Also, the Big K shopping center, at the mouth of Parley's Canyon could be an inter-modal hub with high density housing, eventually connecting a Park City line to Bus Rapid transit on 3300 and 3500 South to Magna, then eventually to Toelle. The SugarHouse spur could connect to the Hub, and so could another transit mode, running down Foothill.

Future Mayor · #**314** Posted **Feb 20, 2008, 9:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by urbanboy

This is why I think we should focus on the local level just as much as the regional level, making sure each regional line connects to an efficient and extensive local mass transit network.

Also, the Big K shopping center, at the mouth of Parley's Canyon could be an inter-modal hub with high density housing, eventually connecting a Park City line to Bus Rapid transit on 3300 and 3500 South to Magna, then eventually to Toelle. The SugarHouse spur could connect to the Hub, and so could another transit mode, running down Foothill.

Hey another thing we agree on.

urbanboy · #**315** Posted **Feb 20, 2008, 10:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Gee you and I haven't gotten into it this much on so many different threads in months.

Hey another thing we agree on.

Yaaaaaaaay!!!!

delts145 · #**316** Posted **Feb 20, 2008, 10:25 PM**

Excellent idea Urbanboy.

SLC Projects · #**317** Posted **Feb 21, 2008, 7:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by urbanboy

This is why I think we should focus on the local level just as much as the regional level, making sure each regional line connects to an efficient and extensive local mass transit network.

Also, the Big K shopping center, at the mouth of Parley's Canyon could be an inter-modal hub with high density housing, eventually connecting a Park City line to Bus Rapid transit on 3300 and 3500 South to Magna, then eventually to Toelle. The SugarHouse spur could connect to the Hub, and so could another transit mode, running down Foothill.

Even I agree with this.

I really like the inter-modal hub with high density housing idea/

Utaaah! · #**318** Posted **Feb 22, 2008, 4:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by arkhitektor

I've wondered the same thing myself. With FrontRunner coming online soon, We've looked at the possibility of moving even further from the city since we can buy an even bigger house for less without increasing my commute time. The idea of driving each day to Salt Lake from Pleasant View is something I would never consider, but would I still be a horrible sprawlmonger for living so far from work - even if I rode the train to work each day?

No, you would not be a sprawlmonger! True, rail lines may allow people to live farther from their workplaces, but they will cluster around the rail stops and travel in a more environmentally friendly manner. Maybe humainty will occupy a similar footprint as will autocentric development patterns, but pollution and other evils of sprawl will be lessened.

RC14 · #**319** Posted **Feb 22, 2008, 6:24 PM**

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Rail could also help bring more people down town even if they don't live down town.
My Dad drives 30min to get to work and he hates it, but I think if he had the option of taking a train to work he wouldn't mind it as much.

I think that if taking the train becomes more convenient then driving people may travel downtown more offten as opposed to shoping at the nearest suburban mall and fighting traffic to get there in bad weather.

urbanboy · #**320** Posted **Feb 22, 2008, 9:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Utaaah!

No, you would not be a sprawlmonger! True, rail lines may allow people to live farther from their workplaces, but they will cluster around the rail stops and travel in a more environmentally friendly manner. Maybe humainty will occupy a similar footprint as will autocentric development patterns, but pollution and other evils of sprawl will be lessened.

People will only walk so far from a transit spot. As a result, development clusters within walking distance around those transit stops encouraging walkability. I think the "evils" Utaaah! is referring to are the social interactions that are lost by being a car dependent community.