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Old Posted Feb 13, 2008, 5:06 AM
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Funny how Hammond wrote "[t]he view is for everyone."

Trust me, it takes at least two levels of security clearance to even get beyond to the 5th floor of city hall. I'm surprised the council hasn't spoken of tearing down Historic City Hall because it blocks their view of Cesar Chavez Park! And for that matter, they might as well ask Joie de Vivre to move the Citizen Hotel back a few feet because it, too, is flush against 10th Street.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2008, 5:13 AM
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PS: If any of these comments to make it to the Bee, it'd probably be best to not mention that we gather on the SkyscraperPage forum, because then they'll most likely think our opinions are of a small minority that's unrepresentative of the general Sacramento population. It would be better to try to seem as much like the "average concerned citizen" as possible.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2008, 5:27 AM
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PS: If any of these comments to make it to the Bee, it'd probably be best to not mention that we gather on the SkyscraperPage forum, because then they'll most likely think our opinions are of a small minority that's unrepresentative of the general Sacramento population. It would be better to try to seem as much like the "average concerned citizen" as possible.

If you read the Bee comments, you know that the feelings stacked up against this council are universal, or so it appears.


Nimbys and smart growth advocates alike agree this council isn't working.
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I compiled all of the back and forths and sent them to Bob Shallit.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2008, 5:25 AM
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I compiled all of the back and forths and sent them to Bob Shallit.
Why??


Bob Shallit is already a forum member of SSP, so he may already be aware.


Lastly this isn't a SSP Sacramento forumers vs. Sacramento City Hall.

The Bee story was origionally written by Lisa Heyamoto and Cohn basically called her a liar (when in fact he wasn't being truthful)..


If there's any story here it's that Cohn is calling her a liar when his comments are public record.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2008, 6:35 AM
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I don't intend for this to be SSP vs City Hall but I do intend to make this the citizens for progress (SCFRG or whatever we want to call it) vs City Hall. Whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we are at war. If they stay in power, we all lose. The city council is being irresponsible with their power and I think it's in our best interests to encourage more negative press about it.

If Bob Shallit is already a member of these forums and follows the threads the worst i've done is told him information he already knows.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2008, 5:22 PM
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After I got this email back from Counsel member Cohn I shot this email back
to him... I seriously wonder how much time he has actually spent in the park?


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Dear Mr. innov8:

Lisa Heyamoto completely misstated my concerns about the Metropolitan
project. Since I did not attend the meeting in question and have never
spoken to her or anyone else publicly about this project, she should not
have included me in her article in the first place. I told City staff
and the developer from the beginning that I want the building stepped
back from the corner to maintain the view of the Cathedral from Plaza
Park. I don't care how high the building is, just that it step back from
the corner. I might add that the property is the City's, so we have a
right to make demands on how the building is designed that are different
from what we would expect in a pure regulatory capacity.


Steve Cohn
Thank you Steve for getting back to me.

On my lunch today I walked over to the park to take a look at the Cathedral
view that would be hidden if the Metropolitan were built. I noticed that the
tall steeple was visible with or without the Metropolitan being built... it sits
right out there when in the plaza. The lower portion of of Cathedral (the big
dome) would be hidden if the Metropolitan were built... but then I noticed
that I could barley make it out right now anyway because of the trees in the
way blocking the view.

So you argument that the Metropolitan would block the Cathedral view is
flawed because there are already trees blocking the view... trees in the
park. Unless you propose cutting down the trees, it seems odd to ask for a
building to be changed for a view that would still be blocked by trees.

Please reconsider your objections to Metropolitan proposal.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2008, 10:43 PM
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Old Sacramento hotels rise again (as offices)

Scurfield to pull permits in a month or two on re-creation of former Ebner and Empire hotels

Friday, February 15, 2008
Sacramento Business Journal - by Mark Anderson


The Orleans Hotel is a former hotel being rebuilt as a mixed-use project
near the former Ebner and Empire hotels in Old Sacramento.

The Scurfield Co. and Carson Development are putting plans through the city for their new building, a re-creation of the historic Ebner and Empire hotels.

Old Sacramento's newest hotel could begin construction in a matter of months.

The $6 million project could begin construction in the spring. The building, along with the ongoing construction of the Orleans Hotel site on 2nd Street, will fill two of the four large vacant lots in Old Sacramento, the historic district that is the region's top tourism draw.

Fifty-three of the buildings in Old Sacramento are on the National Register of Historic Places. Any new building has to blend in with the neighborhood, which dates back to the 1850s.

The Ebner/Empire building will be a single structure made to look like the two neighboring historic hotels. Both buildings have been gone for years. The Empire Hotel collapsed many decades ago. The city tried to save the Ebner, but with its crumbling walls and unsafe foundation, the city eventually had to tear down its hulking shell five years ago to keep it from collapsing onto neighboring buildings.

The new building will be at 116 and 118 K St. in the center of the historic district.

New building, same look
The Ebner/Empire will have street-level retail and professional offices on its two upper floors, said Dave Scurfield, owner of the Scurfield Co., a property management company.

The new building will look like the originals, with balconies over K Street, and all the flourishes of the old structures. The 24,000-square-foot building will likely be home to a large restaurant and another smaller retail space, Scurfield said. The two upper floors will be Class A office space.

"We can't get quite the rates the downtown buildings get, but there are a lot of people who want to be in the historic district," he said. "Our other buildings down there have done quite well with law firms."

After a variety of delays, the Ebner/Empire project is now moving along nicely, said Sheri Smith, project manager with the city's Downtown Development Group. The building had run into some issues with the soils in the area. They are less stable than previously believed, so the footings for the foundation had to be redesigned. The building is also only a block from the river, so water tables are a concern.

The developer should be able to submit for entitlements in a month or so and building permits soon afterward. Smith said the Ebner/Empire could be under construction in a couple of months. More than half the cost of the Ebner/Empire, about $3.3 million, is coming from the city.

Orleans rises
On the next block, at 1022 2nd St., business owner Lloyd Harvego is finishing up his $12 million building that will be a re-creation of the former Orleans Hotel. The building will have ground-floor retail and three stories of apartments.

Harvego said he's on track to complete his building in July. About half the cost of the reconstruction on the Orleans is being subsidized by the city.

The city since the 1960s has been maintaining and developing the historic district. Old Sacramento, once a seedy skid row, now draws millions of visitors each year. The city in 2003 went looking for replacement buildings to fill four vacant lots in the historic district. Any projects have to be historically accurate to what was built on the site, and construction has to be handled delicately because many of the neighboring buildings are more than 150 years old.

So far, the only people willing to take on the task are those already there. Scurfield owns and manages several buildings in the district, and Harvego owns the Firehouse restaurant and the 1853 historic fire station that houses it.

"It's good to see we're finally making some progress," Harvego said. "The Ebner is a good site, and having a building there will make it a nicer area. It will attract more people."

Doing construction work in Old Sac is proving to be slightly tricky, Smith said. For example, maps could show some kind of right of way or utility under an alley, but no one knows for sure until they dig it out whether it's a small conduit line or some utility encased in a massive concrete vault.

With the Orleans project and the Ebner/Empire projects under way, that leaves that square block with only one vacant lot remaining, which is owned by Harvego. He uses it for the Firehouse's parking lot.

Harvego is working with the city to determine what that lot could become. Unlike the Orleans and the Ebner/Empire lots, which had single historic structures on them, the Firehouse parking lot has had several types of buildings on it since the Gold Rush.

"It's had a lot of different things on it over the years," Harvego said, though it's been vacant for at least 40 years.

http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2008/02/18/story4.html
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2008, 10:05 AM
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High Rise Builder Told To Scale Down Plans
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SACRAMENTO (CBS13) ― The new big building designed for 10th and J Street in Sacramento is supposed to soar 400 feet into the sky, but the city council wants these plans to go back to the drawing board. They say the designs are too big, and as Mayor Heather Fargo says, too sleek.

One of the reasons that the site is so important to a lot of these city council members is because of the view that you can see out of the windows.

City councilman Steve Cohn says it isn't his view he's worried about, but the public's.

"In addition to city hall, you have a park right in front of city hall with a great view of our oldest cathedral at 11th and K," he says.

Mayor Fargo wants the design to look more like the Citizen Hotel across the street and the Elks Lodge down the block.

"Sacramento has a great mixture of old and new," Fargo says.

But Linda Whitney, president of the Sacramento Old City Association says, look around. It could fit right in with some of the high rises that have earned some unique nicknames.

"We have the Darth Vader building in the background, it was given that name because it came out about the same time as Star Wars," Whitney says.

Another one is named the lego building, another, the ban roll building. But for now, this new tower will have to be called "Banned By City Hall."

(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2008, 10:48 AM
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Old news but it's still painful to even read that.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2008, 5:28 PM
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Regarding the article above, their rationale is absolutely absurd. After all the projects we've seen fail in the last two years, it's almost as if they're deliberately destroying this one. It's reasons like this which helped spark my decision to leave 3 years ago, and I can't honestly say that I'd probably ever move back. At least not until Sacramento politics starts to grow up.
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Money for 601? Money for 301??


From the Bee:

http://www.sacbee.com/749/story/723510.html

City in talks to sell Sheraton Grand
By Terri Hardy - [email protected]
Published 1:08 pm PST Tuesday, February 19, 2008
The city of Sacramento is in negotiations with developer David Taylor to sell the Sheraton Grand Hotel on J Street, The Bee has learned.

Under the deal, the city would net between $45 million and $47 million, with at least half going to fund future projects proposed by Taylor and his partner, the CIM group, said Assistant City Manager John Dangberg.

The sale price remains under discussion, Dangberg said.

Mayor Heather Fargo said the agreement would provide a win-win for the city and the development companies.

"When the deal was presented, it was hard to say anything but 'Let's keep working on this,' " Fargo said. "It sounds like a great deal for Sacramento."

The sale would have to be approved by the Sacramento Hotel Corporation's board of directors. The issue will come before the five-member board Wednesday.

The ownership and financing structure is complicated.

In April 1999, the city sold $93 million in municipal bonds through a city-controlled nonprofit corporation to finance the downtown convention center hotel. The hotel is owned by the nonprofit, the Sacramento Hotel Corporation.

The hotel corporation has a management agreement with David S. Taylor Interests, which has an operating agreement with Sheraton hotels.

It is the intent of the city and Taylor to keep Sheraton as the operator the hotel.

Dangberg said it was unlikely that the city would use any of the windfall to help bridge a projected $55 million budget deficit next fiscal year. Instead, it would be used for economic development, he said.

Taylor built the structure and had the first option to purchase it.

Fargo said it was never the intention that the city continues as a long-term hotel owner.

"We do economic development - we're not in the hotel business," Fargo said.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2008, 9:42 PM
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They are probably going to use the money to demolish a few buildings around J street and turn them into surface parking lots so they get better views of the Cathedral and the Capitol from City Hall.
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Okay, I must be missing something. The city sells 93M in bonds to build the Sheraton, then sells it for 45-47M? That makes no sense.

Is Taylor/CIM assuming the remaining debt of the 93M?..and the city still clears 45-47M?

I can't see how this makes sense if that is not the case. Some more details sure would have been nice.

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It's reasons like this which helped spark my decision to leave 3 years ago, and I can't honestly say that I'd probably ever move back. At least not until Sacramento politics starts to grow up.
As much as I enjoy this town and love my midtown neighborhood, I'm beginning to feel the same way.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2008, 11:28 PM
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Lot more details in the Business Journal article. (shocking)

Looks like taylor/CIM pay off the debts and the city will collect 45-47M on top of that, plus the annual taxes will rise.

If I am reading that right, good deal for the city.
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Taylor, CIM hope to buy Sheraton Grand
Sacramento Business Journal - by Mark Anderson Staff writer
Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 2:45 PM PST

Sacramento developer David Taylor and the CIM Group Inc. have jointly proposed to buy the 503-room Sheraton Grand Hotel in a deal that would provide money to the city for downtown redevelopment.

The city and Taylor built the hotel by selling $91 million in 30-year revenue bonds in 1999. The city also contributed a 700-space parking garage and $8 million in cash. Taylor and his partners contributed the historic Sacramento Public Market building at 13th and J streets. That structure, designed by architect Julia Morgan, houses the public spaces and meeting rooms of the hotel.

A sale would have to be approved by the Sacramento Hotel Corp., which owns the hotel and administers the bonds, and also the Sacramento City Council. The council will consider the proposal in a closed hearing Tuesday, said Mayor Heather Fargo. She said she is urging the sale.

If the hotel is sold, it would provide the city with net proceeds of $47 million.

The hotel now every year spins off $3.4 million in taxes to the city. With a sale, the taxes will rise and the city would collect $4 million annually.

"It shows what a great investment we made with the Sheraton," Fargo said. "The Sheraton has been a real success story,"

Half of the $47 million profit would be used to go back to David Taylor and Los Angeles-based CIM group in developing priority projects on J, K or L streets downtown.

If approved, the CIM Group would make a cash payment for the hotel, retiring all the bonds. The first opportunity for early payment of the bonds is July 2009, and the money would be held in an account until that time.

The city isn't discussing the sales price of the hotel. It is a market price set by an outside consultant and checked by another outside consultant.

The hotel, which opened in 2001, is carrying cash reserves of $19 million, which will stay in reserves as long as there are bondholders. Buy disengaging the bonds, the city can tap that pool of equity for other projects now. Neither Taylor nor Fargo could say which projects they are considering, other than they are in the downtown core.

Once a sale occurs, the management, brand and operations of the hotel would remain the same, Taylor said.
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New rising: Former midtown bakery
building to become loft housing

By Bob Shallit
Published 3:41 pm PST Tuesday
February 19, 2008




The housing downturn isn't slowing D&S Development Inc., a Folsom company that's marching ahead with new residential projects.

The latest: Loft dwellings, eateries and possibly an art gallery in what was once a Wonder Bread bakery warehouse at 14th and R streets in downtown Sacramento.

D&S is in escrow to buy the vacant, 95-year-old brick building and plans to start construction next month on what will be 12 residential units sitting above restaurants and retail shops - just down the block from Randy Paragary's R15 nightclub.

"These will be true lofts," Steve Lebastchi, a D&S partner, says of the 600- to 900-square-foot housing units. "We're keeping all the brick....the 15-foot ceilings with exposed ducts and beams." And, he notes, the lofts will be in former industrial space, "just like in New York."

The developers - who last year completed a similar-sized condo project in Old Sac - haven't decided on pricing or whether the R Street housing will be for sale or lease. But they say the units, which come with a parking space, will be built to "condo standards," with energy-saving elements that will qualify for LEED certification.

Among the potential tenants being considered for the 12,000 square feet of retail space are a Japanese restaurant, a "hof brau" and an art gallery.

David Miry, another D&S partner, says the partners "fell in love" with the building, which they're buying from Owens Financial Group, a Walnut Creek commercial lender. "It's got a lot of character. There's a lot of light. You get a really good feeling when you walk in."

Adds D&S associate Bay Miry, who is David's son: "We think this (part of town) will be the top entertainment, mixed-use stretch for midtown and downtown. It's ready to blossom."

For the rest of Shallit's column, see Wednesday's business section of The Bee.
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High Rise Builder Told To Scale Down Plans
Reporting
Steve Large
SACRAMENTO (CBS13) ― The new big building designed for 10th and J Street in Sacramento is supposed to soar 400 feet into the sky, but the city council wants these plans to go back to the drawing board. They say the designs are too big, and as Mayor Heather Fargo says, too sleek.

One of the reasons that the site is so important to a lot of these city council members is because of the view that you can see out of the windows.

City councilman Steve Cohn says it isn't his view he's worried about, but the public's.

"In addition to city hall, you have a park right in front of city hall with a great view of our oldest cathedral at 11th and K," he says.

Mayor Fargo wants the design to look more like the Citizen Hotel across the street and the Elks Lodge down the block.

"Sacramento has a great mixture of old and new," Fargo says.

But Linda Whitney, president of the Sacramento Old City Association says, look around. It could fit right in with some of the high rises that have earned some unique nicknames.

"We have the Darth Vader building in the background, it was given that name because it came out about the same time as Star Wars," Whitney says.

Another one is named the lego building, another, the ban roll building. But for now, this new tower will have to be called "Banned By City Hall."

(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)

If I were Saca I would tell the city thanks but no thanks and just walk away..
Let the abandoned Biltmore sit there another 20 years.



Seeing this as a victory for her crusade against height, this will only embolden Fargo.
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He won't have to say that if we actually do something about getting the council out...KJ to replace Fargo and bradon12 to replace Fong.

Plus, Saca is fully commited to seeing this project built and he isnt going to backdown that easily.
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