Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta International Airport - Page 51

Rail Claimore · #**1001** Posted **Feb 12, 2008, 10:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by john3eblover

gotta say, i'm really looking forward to seeing this! Man I hope it happens!!!

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00009040

Beautiful!

john3eblover · #**1002** Posted **Feb 13, 2008, 1:53 AM**

Isn't it gorgeous? I think as long as I have been aware of my own existence I have been flying commercially and loving it. Aviation has always been a huge interest of mine, so naturally, growing up in Atlanta and having Delta as my favorite airline, I always longed for the mighty 747. I wasn't sure initially how I felt about the new colors, but they look great in that rendering!! we can only hope this happens and we see that beauty at ATL!

smArTaLlone · #**1003** Posted **Feb 14, 2008, 5:59 PM**

By RUSSELL GRANTHAM , JIM THARPE

Delta and Northwest have been in talks for weeks, trying to hammer out a merger that would create a mega-carrier, with major U.S., European and Asian hubs. An announcement has been predicted as early as this week, but could be delayed or even derailed if pilot negotiations drag on.

People familiar with the talks say other major issues have been resolved, but senior management at both airlines want to get pilots on the same page before a merger is announced. That has been a historically difficult task in other mergers.

Union leaders representing both carriers' pilots have been working overtime in an attempt to resolve issues ranging from seniority standing to the type of airplanes pilots will be permitted to fly.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Harry Cane · #**1004** Posted **Feb 14, 2008, 8:02 PM**

Well, we always hped for this and maybe even assumed it, but this is good to read.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080213/airlines_airfrance.html?.v=1

Delta and Northwest have agreed on major terms for a tie-up, including keeping Delta's name and Atlanta headquarters and having Delta Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson run the combined carrier, Bloomberg said in its report.
Delta and Northwest have agreed on major terms for a tie-up, including keeping Delta's name and Atlanta headquarters and having Delta Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson run the combined carrier, Bloomberg said in its report.

megalopolis · #**1005** Posted **Feb 14, 2008, 8:54 PM**

And that gives Air France/KLM a sizeable stake in the combined airline too.

john3eblover · #**1006** Posted **Feb 15, 2008, 4:22 PM**

Sounds like it's almost official. Should be by today sometime.

Unity77 · #**1007** Posted **Feb 15, 2008, 4:44 PM**

I'm not sure as to how close a Delta - NWA merger is.

Here is some interesting news:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-fri_airlinesfeb15,0,4718752.story

United Airlines is in advanced negotiations to combine with Houston-based Continental Airlines and is poised to quickly seal a deal if Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines merge, a person close to the airlines said Thursday.

However, Chicago-based United hasn't ruled out pursuing Delta if the Atlanta-based carrier is unable to overcome labor differences with Northwest, sources said.

trnsplnt · #**1008** Posted **Feb 15, 2008, 9:52 PM**

Word is: NWA Agents/Attendants etc. already have their DL uniforms.

GTviajero81 · #**1009** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 3:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by trnsplnt

Word is: NWA Agents/Attendants etc. already have their DL uniforms.

Not possible. Or, rather, it is nearly impossible for that to have already occurred. Ask anyone who has to wear a uniform in this business and the phrase "On back-order" is as common as "Welcome Aboard!" There is almost no way really for NWA Agents to already possess DL uniforms as they would all have to get fitted (different styles and cuts for these uniforms with respect to DL uniforms) and the sheer amount of production would take a while. I think that someone was pulling your leg.

Harry Cane · #**1010** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 3:48 PM**

not only that, but if it were true, we would have already heard about it in the press.

SteveD · #**1011** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 3:56 PM**

Reports in today's paper point towards a likely announcement towards the end of next week.

atlantaguy · #**1012** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 5:37 PM**

I sure hope things work out with NW. While not my favorite carrier by a longshot, anything would be better than a takeover by United. That would be the worst-case scenario for Atlanta and Delta by far.

NativeAtlantan · #**1013** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 7:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by atlantaguy

I sure hope things work out with NW. While not my favorite carrier by a longshot, anything would be better than a takeover by United. That would be the worst-case scenario for Atlanta and Delta by far.

I am not an airline guru by any means and don't have a feel for what the best possible scenario is with regards to airline consolidation (as it relates to Delta).

Could someone explain to me what the general consensus is regarding Delta's ideal merger scenario? I mean, NW/DL sounds like it could be good but is there something that the DL power folks would prefer even more, if it could work? And a quick sentence on why?

Tombstoner · #**1014** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 7:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by NativeAtlantan

I am not an airline guru by any means and don't have a feel for what the best possible scenario is with regards to airline consolidation (as it relates to Delta).

Could someone explain to me what the general consensus is regarding Delta's ideal merger scenario? I mean, NW/DL sounds like it could be good but is there something that the DL power folks would prefer even more, if it could work? And a quick sentence on why?

I think many people would say that CO is preferable to NW as a merger partner; the corporate cultures are seen as being compatible (NW has much nastier management-employee relations) and both CO and DL are exclusively Boeing customers (NW will bring a lot of Airbus planes with it) which makes fleet management easier. Of course, CO brings several problems with it as well (EWR competes with JFK as an international gateway, CO doesn't provide the Asia coverage DL is looking for, having the two major hubs in the SE isn't optimal, etc.) but I think CO would be more popular than NW among most of DL's best customers.

SteveD · #**1015** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 7:43 PM**

I'm not an airline person either but I think "the Asia coverage Delta is looking for" sums it all up in a few words. I would think that trumps all other considerations, no?

And I have to say I'm delighted that so far I'm hearing the Delta name and Atlanta headquarters are to be retained.

Harry Cane · #**1016** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 8:07 PM**

I think all three airlines, Continental, United and Northwest, bring good as well as bad.

Continental brings a reputation for the best service and fleet commnality that makes integration easier. The also have built up good labor relations with their employees. It doesn't bring the Asia routes DL is sorely lacking and seeking. It also doesn't bring anything it doesn't have already. CO and DL are both big players across the Atlantic and into Latin America. They also have overlapping hubs in Newark/JFK, Cleveland/Cincinatti.

United brings the Asia routes and probably the best hubs in the country--Washington, Chicago, Denver and most of all, west coast hubs in SF and LA. It doesn't bring in the fleet commonality, though with the number of planes in both fleets, it becomes less of an issue. The problem with United is that it has terrible employee morale, and the sheer size of the combined airlines would be difficult to pass through regulators.

Northwest brings Asia routes, a strong presence in the midwest. It doesn't bring the fleet commonality, but again, with the size of the fleets is not as big an issue. Because there's very little overlap in routes (DL in the east, NW in the midwest, DL in Europe/Latin America/Africa, NW in Asia) and because they're not as big as United, it might be easier to pass through regulators. It also makes it easier that they're in the same alliance (Skyteam) as DL (although Continental is too). NW is also closely tied to KLM, which is owned by Air France, which is closely tied to DL.

Did I leave out anything?

Trae · #**1017** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 10:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tombstoner

I think many people would say that CO is preferable to NW as a merger partner; the corporate cultures are seen as being compatible (NW has much nastier management-employee relations) and both CO and DL are exclusively Boeing customers (NW will bring a lot of Airbus planes with it) which makes fleet management easier. Of course, CO brings several problems with it as well (EWR competes with JFK as an international gateway, CO doesn't provide the Asia coverage DL is looking for, having the two major hubs in the SE isn't optimal, etc.) but I think CO would be more popular than NW among most of DL's best customers.

But CO doesn't have a hub in the Southeast.

It looks like a Continental-United merger will happen, with Continental's CEO will be the CEO of the merged company. I think this would make Continental-United the largest airline, with Delta-Northwest coming in second, and American in third.

Tombstoner · #**1018** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 11:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Trae

But CO doesn't have a hub in the Southeast.

Believe it or not, many people think Houston is in the Southeast. Certainly from an aviation market point of view, both Atlanta and Houston are SE hubs.

And CO/UA will only happen if DL/NW happens (and gets past regulators) -- CO has been very clear on that score.

Trae · #**1019** Posted **Feb 16, 2008, 11:57 PM**

I am sure Delta-NW will happen. All signs point to it.

LouisianaCharm · #**1020** Posted **Feb 17, 2008, 3:40 AM**

.........and if they would have taken over that would have been a big blow to dallas with 2 of the largest airlines in the world, and houston just south.....