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Old Posted Feb 14, 2008, 7:20 PM
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The station, essentially MARTA's front door, is due for a big-time cleaning, says Beverly Scott, MARTA's new general manager.....
They buried the lead:

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The big sign

The bizarre, hulking sign hanging from the top of the Five Points station is likely on the way out. Originally installed as a solar-powered information sign that displayed the time and temperature, it hasn't worked in decades. Scott calls it a "monstrosity," saying it's time "to get the doggone thing working or get it out." At this point, she says, no one has been able to figure out how to use it, so plans are to remove it.


When they take it down, they should truck it over to Georgia Tech. What a fun investigative project that would be.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2008, 9:56 PM
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When they take it down, they should truck it over to Georgia Tech. What a fun investigative project that would be.
I'm gonna miss that sign...
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2008, 4:08 AM
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Thanks, Fiorenza. I'm heartbroken about the Beltline but that's why I was saying a few weeks ago that Woodham's objection to the funding mechanism was far from trivial. If you read the Constitution and the previous rulings by the Supreme Court it seems to me that this outcome was almost inevitable. The Supremes were unanimous -- you just can't do it that way in Georgia.

But we'll all regroup and come up with Plan B. This town has been burned to the ground twice but it keeps coming back like an onion in your front yard.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2008, 4:15 AM
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I agree, Andrea.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2008, 5:24 AM
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If the Constitution is so cut and dry on the issue, then how were the lower courts able to dismiss so easily.....those judges should be de-judged for wasting everyone's time and money.....of course, ABI would've just appealed all the way to the top but still, it just makes the lower judges look silly and/or corrupt.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2008, 1:34 PM
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I think maybe it went before the trial judge on narrower procedural grounds.
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2008, 10:22 PM
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Legislature 2008: Reed, Weber want state referendum on tax use

By Paul Donsky
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 02/15/08

Two metro Atlanta state senators say they will file legislation next week calling for a statewide referendum in November that would allow cities and counties to tap school property taxes to help pay for redevelopment projects.

The bipartisan effort, pushed by state Sens. Kasim Reed (D-Atlanta) and Dan Weber (R-Dunwoody), follows a ruling this week by the Georgia Supreme Court banning the use of school tax money to help finance Atlanta's Beltline, a planned loop of transit, trails, parks and development around the city's core.

The court said a provision of the state constitution stipulates that school taxes can only be spent on education-related projects. Getting around that, the lawmakers say, requires a constitutional amendment.

Reed and Weber said they are working with Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle on their legislation.

Weber said he believes the legislation will pass. A two-thirds vote of both chambers of the Legislature is required for a constitutional amendment to reach the ballot.

"There's broad bipartisan support for what we're trying to accomplish here," Weber said.

The lawmakers hope to salvage a popular financing mechanism among cities and counties known as a tax allocation district, or TAD, used to spur development in a specific area, such as a run-down section of town.

A TAD diverts from local governments and school systems any future increases in property tax revenue in a specified area. Instead, those funds are used to help offset the cost of redevelopment. After 25 or 30 years, the tax flow is restored.

In recent years, TADs have been used to develop projects like Atlantic Station, which transformed a closed steel mill in Midtown into a mixed-use village with new housing, offices, shops and restaurants.

Schools account for the bulk of property taxes in most jurisdictions. The court ruling effectively cut in half the amount of tax dollars available for TAD redevelopment efforts.

The Legislature created TADs in 1985 and specified that school tax money could be used for redevelopment projects. That law was not challenged until 2006 in the Beltline lawsuit that led to Monday's ruling.

Dozens of projects across the state are now at risk, said Weber, such as Smyrna's plan to overhaul two aging shopping centers, and Gwinnett County's attempt to redevelop a closed fiber-optics plant. The developer of the Gwinnett project said this week his project is on hold because of the court ruling.

"These are efforts from local governments to try and make improvements, and we need to support that," Weber said.

In a news release Thursday, Cagle said the court decision "has threatened a critical infrastructure and economic development tool for Georgia and we must act and develop a solution."

The tough talk came as good news to developers like Edens & Avant, which has been working for the past six years to build a housing and retail complex in a depressed section of northwest Atlanta. Without the school tax money, the project can't go forward, said company vice president Lyle Darnall.

"I'm thrilled about it," Darnall said of the possible legislative action. "We'll be watching closely, and I hope it works."
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2008, 6:51 PM
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I hope this works. We need a grass-roots effort to get this passed.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2008, 10:18 PM
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I hope the referendum is well worded. I will vote against it if it doesn't specify clearly that only future increases in property taxes are subject. I don't want to see school budgets cut because we want better developments in the area.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2008, 3:56 PM
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Ahead of the Curve: Plan to save TADs gets bipartisan push

By Paul Donsky, Kevin Duffy, David Pendered

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 02/25/08

A bipartisan effort is under way in the state Legislature to amend the state Constitution to allow cities and counties to tap school tax funds for redevelopment projects.

A resolution calling for a statewide referendum on the matter was introduced last week in both chambers. It will take a two-thirds vote of the House and Senate for the resolution to get on the ballot.

The move comes on the heels of a state Supreme Court ruling prohibiting school property taxes from being used to help pay for projects like Atlanta's Beltline loop of trails, transit and parks. Dozens of similar community redevelopment projects across the state that were counting on the availability of school property tax funds are now suddenly in jeopardy.

The amendment would salvage a popular financing mechanism known as tax allocation districts, or TADs, which are used to spur development in a specific area, such as a run-down part of town.

Cities and counties like TADs because they don't require a tax increase. Instead, TADs tap into future increases in property taxes that are generated by the redevelopment.

But schools account for the bulk of the property taxes in most jurisdictions. The court's decision effectively cut in half the amount of tax dollars available for TAD projects.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2008, 6:16 PM
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I was just reading the article in the Loaf about how the loss of TAD money may affect the Beltline. If the transit portion of the Beltline is 25 years or more down the dead anyway, why not simply go ahead with it as a pedestrian trail and encourage developers to build nearby? As density fills in over the coming decades, that would probably provide more of a demand for transit so that when the time for that comes there will likely be more money available. I'll be long gone before any of this comes to pass but it seems to me that in the intervening decades it will still be quite beneficial for the city's residents to hoof it or ride their bikes.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2008, 6:52 PM
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Andrea, good idea...
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2008, 7:00 PM
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I'm thinking most areas along the Beltline are well served by MARTA buses already, Fiorenza.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2008, 7:11 PM
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I was just reading the article in the Loaf about how the loss of TAD money may affect the Beltline. If the transit portion of the Beltline is 25 years or more down the dead anyway, why not simply go ahead with it as a pedestrian trail and encourage developers to build nearby? As density fills in over the coming decades, that would probably provide more of a demand for transit so that when the time for that comes there will likely be more money available. I'll be long gone before any of this comes to pass but it seems to me that in the intervening decades it will still be quite beneficial for the city's residents to hoof it or ride their bikes.
I thought building the parks and trails first already is the plan.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2008, 7:25 PM
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I thought building the parks and trails first already is the plan.
essentially, it is. The West End Trail broke ground on Saturday! The PATH Foundation is way ahead of the Beltline curve, so to speak. This also marked the beginning of Trees Atlanta's BeltLine Arboretum. The BeltLine IS happening, it's just a matter of scale and how long it's going to take.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2008, 7:33 PM
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Well, maybe what they're saying is that if transit is many years down the road anyway, why not just go ahead with it as a trail? I've done the route several times and if I'm not mistaken we've already got excellent bus service in place.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2008, 8:48 PM
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essentially, it is. The West End Trail broke ground on Saturday! The PATH Foundation is way ahead of the Beltline curve, so to speak. This also marked the beginning of Trees Atlanta's BeltLine Arboretum. The BeltLine IS happening, it's just a matter of scale and how long it's going to take.
This first section is pretty cool too. It's two miles long and will connect Rose Circle park to beautiful Westview Cemetery. Saturday, the PATH folks already had a couple hundred yards of the new path prepped. They're taking a car lane away from White Street.

And the Trees Atlanta folks were giving away seedlings: I got a Red Oak Funny, that same day was the Tree Huggers Ball which was a lot of fun as always.

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Old Posted Feb 25, 2008, 10:27 PM
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This first section is pretty cool too. It's two miles long and will connect Rose Circle park to beautiful Westview Cemetery. Saturday, the PATH folks already had a couple hundred yards of the new path prepped. They're taking a car lane away from White Street.

And the Trees Atlanta folks were giving away seedlings: I got a Red Oak Funny, that same day was the Tree Huggers Ball which was a lot of fun as always.
I got a Loblolly Pine . Couldn't make it to the Ball this year. That's always one of my favorite events.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2008, 5:16 PM
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I can't believe it!! The state Senate might pass a bill allowing other metro counties to determine rail service in their areas? Brilliant!!

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A Georgia Senate bill to let MARTA grow its service districts to include rail lines in metro Atlanta suburbs has passed and now awaits a vote from the state House of Representatives.

Senate Bill 322, which was introduced in the 2007 legislative session by Sen. Curt Thompson (D-Norcross), passed Tuesday by a vote of 34-18.

"This legislation will allow suburban counties, such as Gwinnett, Cobb and Clayton, the flexibility to consider bringing MARTA rail service to parts of their counties," Thompson said. "In some counties such as Gwinnett, MARTA rail service may be very appropriate in places like Norcross, but not for places like Grayson and we need the flexibility to deal with that fact. It is important for us to take a close look at these transportation issues, and this will allow us to proceed without burdening the citizens with extra taxation."

As its stands now, MARTA service districts are contracts to serve only part of a county or city outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties with bus service. Thompson's bill would allow MARTA service districts to provide bus and rail, rail only or bus only services. And it would let counties bring MARTA rail service into just a portion of their county. Using a service district to bring MARTA rail service into part of a county would not require a countywide referendum or a one penny sales tax, provided other revenue sources can be found.
From the Atlanta Business Chronicle
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2008/02/25/daily14.html
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