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Old Posted Jan 31, 2008, 11:48 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that was for the memorial only.
That is what I heard back in either late November or early December. I think people might have just got that confused with the actual buildings.
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A snippet of an interesting article:

There’s a question, though, of what might be called identity maintenance. Ever since boxier buildings began proliferating in the late 1960s and the ’70s, the Lower Manhattan skyline has lost a good deal of its signature look. It has begun to look more like Houston or any other not-quite-special city. The 1776 spire intended as replacement for the Twin Towers — painfully slow to materialize — may bring back a renewed sense of downtown skyscrapers actually “scraping” the sky and not just ending in flat tops. That skyline now does cry for a pizzazz that the Twin Towers didn’t supply.

(http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=10&id=18155)

I think that it is true that once the entire downtown ensemble of WTC and other new towers is finished, lower Manhattan will look better than at any time since the classic days of the 1920's and '30s.

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I guess that point of view all stems from personal opinion. For me the 'classic' Lower Manhattan skyline was from the East Rive looking at the Brooklyn Bridge and Downtown during the time of the Twins. The runner up would be the Twins behind the WFC.

I also think though that buildings such as the WFC, 55 Water, 1 NY Plaza, Continental Center, 1 Financial Square, 60 Wall, 1 Chase Manhattan Plaza, 1 Liberty Plaza, & the rest of the group have made the Lower Manhattan skyline more iconic then ever. And the Twins to me were the perfect fit, something the new WTC will not have (IMO).
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I'm sorry, but flat tops does not equal Houston, especially with the proliferataion of spires in New York. If New York is looking like Houston, its because of the quality of the buildings, not their roof ornaments.
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Hypothetically, if they weren't just talking about the memorial and things do indeed need to be delayed, what exactly needs to be done to get the site 'ready'?
NO towers are being delayed. Check the threads of the various towers for updates. The memorial opening has been pushed back, but that's old news. There are no major delays, and everything is and has been moving according to schedule, with the minor exception of the PA's dig.
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I'm sorry, but flat tops does not equal Houston,
It certainly doesn't. It's a popular quote from people who like to complain about it, but how someone can look at Houston and Manhattan and see the same thing is beyond me.
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I'm sorry, but flat tops does not equal Houston, especially with the proliferataion of spires in New York. If New York is looking like Houston, its because of the quality of the buildings, not their roof ornaments.
Houston doesn't look anything like Manhattan IMO.
     
     
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I think that it is true that once the entire downtown ensemble of WTC and other new towers is finished, lower Manhattan will look better than at any time since the classic days of the 1920's and '30s.
Definitely. As the city fully establishes its current time as one of its great eras, much like at the end of the 20's, its skyline is about to undergo yet another magnificent transformation that will mark its time with a bold statement. Interestingly, this would be the third classic look of the same Financial District - replacing the 30's to 50's pyramid of pre-war spires and 70's to '01 Twin Towers-dominated cluster.
     
     
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A snippet of an interesting article:

There’s a question, though, of what might be called identity maintenance. Ever since boxier buildings began proliferating in the late 1960s and the ’70s, the Lower Manhattan skyline has lost a good deal of its signature look. It has begun to look more like Houston or any other not-quite-special city. The 1776 spire intended as replacement for the Twin Towers — painfully slow to materialize — may bring back a renewed sense of downtown skyscrapers actually “scraping” the sky and not just ending in flat tops. That skyline now does cry for a pizzazz that the Twin Towers didn’t supply.

(http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=10&id=18155)

I think that it is true that once the entire downtown ensemble of WTC and other new towers is finished, lower Manhattan will look better than at any time since the classic days of the 1920's and '30s.

The comparisons between what was downtown on 2001 vs. what will be after all of the buildings on ground zero are finally built got me thinking. It's really not a fair comparison because had the WTC stayed intact, would there not be some new towers added downtown anyway? Is it possible there would have been a Freedom Tower or a new WTC2 type tower added in addition to the twins?

Many people have expressed the opinion that the new WTC complex will be architecturally superior to the old one. I am tempted to agree but one of the main things that gives a city great architecture is diversity of style. The twin towers were an awesome example of the modernist movement of the 60's/70's. By losing these towers and replacing them with current designs, some architectural diversity has been lost. This is one reason why I felt the twins should have been rebuilt, to preserve NYC's history.

Anyway, the decision was made a long time ago to build new designs instead and the new WTC complex will look amazing when done. The Freedom Tower is a good design in that it has similarities to the old WTC such as dimension and a spire/antenna. I think it is essentially a modern version of what was WTC1. Therefore, the restored skyline won't be altered too radically or as much as it could have been, which I think is a good thing.

So if the twins can't be rebuilt, then I think this is the next best thing. However, not rebuilding the twins is an architectural downgrade IMO, for the reasons I have mentioned. I'm not trying to start a debate whether the twins should have been rebuilt. I have fully accepted that they won't and I embrace the new designs and can't wait for them to be built.
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I suppose he means the post modern phase every city went through, but comparing to Houston?
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I think Houston comes most readily to mind when discussing such things as Houston really came into its own at the Post-Modern period.
     
     
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Hypothetically, if they weren't just talking about the memorial and things do indeed need to be delayed, what exactly needs to be done to get the site 'ready'?


Who knows?

I think that the media got its wires crossed and gave out the wrong info. Like they always do.

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Building at World Trade Center is a showcase of terrorproof technologies

Architects around the world are erecting skyscrapers that use a hollow concrete core surrounded by bomb-resistant glass and other security innovations.
By Harry Bruinius | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

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When a documentary crew wanted to film the emergency glow-strips that line the expansive stairwells in 7 World Trade Center, Dara McQuillan called down to the security desk and asked them to flick off the lights. Moments after the stairwell went dark, however, a backup power system switched on and ruined the shot.

Mr. McQuillan, vice president of communications for the building, called again, but when the security desk shut down the backup system, this time a battery-powered generator flooded the stairs with light. The crew never got its dramatic glow-in-the-dark shot.

It has been hailed as the safest building in the world, its 52-stories of glass elegance belying a concrete core built to be a bunker in the sky. It is the first skyscraper to be completed at the World Trade Center site, and as it approaches its second anniversary, its innovative architecture and endlessly redundant security features – most of them designed from the lessons of the Twin Towers catastrophic collapse – offer a template for high-rise buildings in a post-9/11 world.

"The biggest change in high-rise construction now is this sealed, hardened core," says Dr. Herb Hauser, president of New York-based Midtown Technologies, who worked with the architects of the skyscrapers that will ring the new World Trade Center. "This means that the structure around the core can go down, or be on fire, or be invested with a biological or chemical problem, but the actual core itself will be protected."

At least three skyscrapers under construction that will surpass the height of the world's tallest building, Taipei 101 in Taiwan, are using the concrete-core technique (as well as a number of others under proposal in Russia and Korea). Indeed, the 1,776-foot high Freedom Tower, the anchor of the World Trade Center site, will in many ways simply be a larger version of the adjacent 7 WTC. The Chicago Spire, at 2,000 feet high, and Burj Dubai, soon to be the tallest building in the world at a staggering 2,700 feet, will also each have hollow concrete spines anchoring floors that will cascade and twist around them.

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Making buildings with a concrete core isn't a new idea, but the cost of constructing them in the past has been prohibitive. "The main drawback at one time was that a steel frame was so much faster to build," says Mir Ali, professor of architecture at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. "It took you approximately three to four days to build a steel-frame floor. With concrete, it used to take 10 to 14 days a floor."

But with advances in construction techniques – better and cheaper concrete, more powerful pumps, easy-to-assemble slip and fly forms – crews can now put up a concrete core as fast as a steel frame. Moreover, very tall steel-frame buildings like the former World Trade Center towers and the Sears Tower often shimmy and sway in the wind. The top floor of a concrete-core high rise is as solid as a first-floor lobby.

And yet, since such buildings are, in part, towering symbols of power and strength, and therefore important symbolic targets, the question persists: Will tenants want to work in them? Ellis Rubinstein, president of the New York Academy of Sciences, the first organization to sign a lease at 7 WTC, recalls a number of board members and employees who were wary of working in a high rise at the site. "But the reverse was also quite true, actually. There was a great deal of pride that we were standing for the revitalization of the area," he says.

In addition to 7 WTC and the Freedom Tower, Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of the site, is planning three more massive skyscrapers in the area. "Larry's big gamble in building over 7 million square feet of office space without tenants is that people will soon want more out of their buildings," says McQuillan.

Old Wall Street buildings, forming the "canyons" of 1930s-era high rises, often choke off the signals for legions of BlackBerrys, and just aren't built for the high-tech business needs of today. In 10 years, Mr. Silverstein believes, Wall Street firms will head a few blocks west to Greenwich Street, near the World Trade Center site, leaving the historic business district to the luxury loft renovators. But first he must convince them these state-of-the-art buildings are state-of-the-art safe.

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The sense of security architects tried to build into the hollow spine of 7 WTC, which has tenants on 30 of 42 available floors, starts with the glow-strip lined stairs. Stadiumlike in size, the stairwells allow a space where evacuees can rest or the wheelchair-bound can wait for assistance. They are also pressurized to force out smoke, and engineers have incorporated dual standpipes and extra water storage for the sprinkler system.

But beyond the concrete core, 7 WTC has a host of other security features. The building's skin is made almost entirely of glass, and since the foundation is designed like a diamond parallelogram, the structure gives off a crystalline appearance – hardly the look of a concrete bunker in the sky.

The glazing process incorporates new bomb-resistant technologies into the glass that eliminate flying shards – and actually shield the structure from an explosion, deflecting the energy of a blast. Windows are double-paned, laminated, and layered with a new plastic polymer. The windows near the lobby are reinforced with inner cables that would, like a rubber band, absorb a blast and snap back.

The lobby features another use of "new" glass. A 65-by-14-foot art installation behind the reception desk doubles as a bomb shield for the elevator lobby. The installation has two laminated glass walls. Each wall is a series of vertical panes that tilt inward, like a giant hinge, and spring back in the event of an explosion. Designed by James Carpenter and conceptual artist Jenny Holzer, the display flashes illuminated poetry and prose.

"It's quite robust in its strength, although it's relatively delicate in terms of its visual presence," says Mr. Carpenter, a sculptor and architect at James Carpenter Design Associates here.

Throughout 7 WTC, architects have tried to convey openness and optimism rather than a fortress mentality. Even the first eight floors, which are windowless and house a utility substation, are wrapped in a stainless-steel screen that glows a faint blue after dusk. The wall contains light sensors that create a drifting illumination whenever a pedestrian walks near it. "We're always trying to harness two things," says Carpenter, "performance and visual aesthetics."

Indeed, as four larger towers begin to rise at Ground Zero, architects in a post-9/11 world must balance safety with art, commerce, and community interests. "There's no doubt in anyone's mind that as they're building these towers," says Hauser, "somebody overseas is thinking about how to take them down again."

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If Larry is right, I wonder how many more megatowers may be coming to Greenwich Street in a decade or so...
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"And yet, since such buildings are, in part, towering symbols of power and strength, and therefore important symbolic targets"

BUILDINGS ARE TARGETS: FILM AT 11!!!

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"And yet, since such buildings are, in part, towering symbols of power and strength, and therefore important symbolic targets"

BUILDINGS ARE TARGETS: FILM AT 11!!!

who writes this shit?


Anything can be a target. Whether it is, or not, or can be, can be two different things. The Twin Towers were targets just like victims of the Holocaust were targets. The thing to do is to take measures, not to ever let it happen again. We can't be altered off our course, influenced, or made cowards of by a bunch of sub-human savages. That is why Israel is what it is. I don't approve of everything Israel does within its own borders, but as we all know, the state of Israel has its reasons to exist. I know I am getting off-topic here, but we must never give up our way of life, and give in to any sub-human scum, that wants to terrorize us like that, or that wants do dictate to us. As I've said before, we mustn't back down, by not rebuilding. That's the worst thing to do.

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Well, let's all just hope that there are no attempts made to attack the NWTC at all.
     
     
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Can we please get back on topic? It pisses me off to see people bitch back and forth about this building being a target. Take it to another thread.

Seems like the rain and ice has taken its toll on the timeline. Hopefully this shit clears up, I'm starting to get sick of it.

also, is the new tower the one to the left of the cluster?
     
     
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This IS the Freedom Tower thread, and I don't see anything wrong with discussing topics concerning the tower.

I believe that we are within our priveliges to talk about the tower as long as there is no fighting.
     
     
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The terror threat clearly impacted the entire design of the FT... no one can say that, within the bounds of discussing security measures for the tower, it's "off topic."
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That was a pretty good read. Thanks for posting it.
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