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The 2004 list is questionable too. For example, Denver made the list over cities like Seattle and Minneapolis because of annual passenger air traffic. Having lived in Denver, I know it's not any more important or worldly than Minneapolis or Seattle. As a matter of fact, I'd say it's a tier below those two cities as Minneapolis is a tier below Atlanta.
Exactly. It made the list over Houston and Dallas, too.
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I think you kids could use a new topic to chew over. How about........... THIS ONE!!!

Delta Adds Continental to Merger Options
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1/31/2008 7:12 PM EST

http://www.thestreet.com/pf/newsanalysis/transportation/10401516.html

How about them apples?!?!
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I think you kids could use a new topic to chew over. How about........... THIS ONE!!!

Delta Adds Continental to Merger Options
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1/31/2008 7:12 PM EST

http://www.thestreet.com/pf/newsanalysis/transportation/10401516.html

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Its getting interesting.
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Delta Adds Continental to Merger Options
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1/31/2008 7:12 PM EST

http://www.thestreet.com/pf/newsanalysis/transportation/10401516.html

How about them apples?!?!
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Houston would certainly continue as a major hub, originating a large portion of traffic into Latin America. Delta has been needing a hub in the southwest since Dallas was downsized.

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cmon trae. It could be fun.
I don't want it to happen. I want CO to remain CO.
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But they're saying only 3 majors can survive in the US. I'd take that to mean United, Delta and American. As far as your home state is concerned, one out of three ain't bad.
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But they're saying only 3 majors can survive in the US. I'd take that to mean United, Delta and American. As far as your home state is concerned, one out of three ain't bad.
Don't buy that argument Fiorenza. Every city and state will bail an airline out to ensure their HQ remains in their city. Think of how much Atlanta has funded ATL. The direct recipient being Delta. Having an airline HQ and a hub is a huge economic tool to draw additional businesses.

If anybody mergers, I see Airtran and JetBlue.
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But they're saying only 3 majors can survive in the US. I'd take that to mean United, Delta and American. As far as your home state is concerned, one out of three ain't bad.
Who is they? CO is the most healthy airline of the three you named, so they would stay and keep their HQ in Houston. Southwest, based in Dallas, is also another that would stay.

I also haven't seen any other news about this possible merger.
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Who is they? CO is the most healthy airline of the three you named, so they would stay and keep their HQ in Houston. Southwest, based in Dallas, is also another that would stay.

I also haven't seen any other news about this possible merger.
Trae, Fiorenza is right, I watch CNBC all the time and the Airline Analyst say only three will survive and CO is never mentioned. I don't buy it though. As I pointed to the auto industry, ailing businesses should not buy other ailing businesses. Ex: Mercedes Benz buying Chrysler. It never works. Cities and states will bail out airlines for economic reasons.
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Trae, Fiorenza is right, I watch CNBC all the time and the Airline Analyst say only three will survive and CO is never mentioned. I don't buy it though. As I pointed to the auto industry, ailing businesses should not buy other ailing businesses. Ex: Mercedes Benz buying Chrysler. It never works. Cities and states will bail out airlines for economic reasons.
Or wait for said businesses to go bankrupt to the point where they have to liquidate assets.
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Or wait for said businesses to go bankrupt to the point where they have to liquidate assets.
RC - like I said, cities and states will never let their assets go. That is why Minneapolis wrote in their contract that if they made airport improvements, NW would be based there or suffer huge monetary punishments to whoever takes them over.
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Delta president: We're strong enough to go it alone
Any merger deal must fill gaps, avoid debt load, help workers, Bastian says


By RUSSELL GRANTHAM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/01/08


Delta Air Lines' executives said the airline has a strong standalone plan and will not go ahead with a merger unless it meets their goals to strengthen the carrier and create job security for both companies' employees.

Delta President Ed Bastian said in an interview Friday that the Atlanta airline has been working for months to prepare for a potential wave of mergers among the industry's biggest players.

He and other Delta executives painted a picture of an airline that can afford to be picky about potential merger partners.

They said the carrier is good financial shape after shedding billions in debt and operating expenses in a 19-month-long bankruptcy restructuring.

"A strong standalone plan is part of the hand that we're carrying," said Michael Campbell, Delta's executive vice president of human resources and labor relations.

The executives' comments come as people familiar with the matter have said they expect Delta to soon announce a merger agreement with Northwest Airlines — or to reach a decision not to do a deal. However, some of these people have said the talks also ran into a snag last week over decisions about how top executives will share power, and potentially other issues as well.

Delta has not publicly commented on the merger rumors, and executives on Friday avoided commenting on specific merger scenarios or negotiation-related issues.

However, Bastian, the No. 2 executive at Delta, said any merger must meet three major goals. He said Delta won't agree to a deal unless the proposed merger: creates a global network that "fills holes" in Delta's operations; avoids burdening the combined airlines with excessive debt; and treats employees fairly and assures them of job and seniority protections.

"If we do any transaction, we have to do the right thing for the people," said Bastian, referring to employees.

"I don't know if we can accomplish those goals ... because there's somebody on the other side [who has to be in agreement]," he added.

Industry experts believe the current time window to forge a deal is short because the months-long review by the federal Department of Justice's antitrust regulators may not be complete before a new administration enters the White House, possibly bringing more delay and uncertainty.

Continuing merger talks and speculation could also distract employees.

Delta's and Northwest's share prices both jumped noticeably Friday afternoon, as did other airlines' shares after oil prices, the main determinant of jet fuel prices, dropped. Delta's and Northwest's shares have risen roughly 60-70 percent since merger speculation surrounded the two carriers in the past three weeks.

On heavy trading volume Friday, Delta's shares rose 10 percent to $18.53; Northwest's shares were up almost 7 percent to $19.98. Delta, the nation's third-largest airline, has been said to be in intense negotiations with Northwest, the fifth-largest, to sign a deal that would create the biggest airline in the nation and perhaps the world. Such a deal would stitch together an airline combining Delta's large trans-Atlantic network with Northwest's extensive routes to Asia.

Delta also explored a merger deal with United Airlines, the nation's second-largest airline, but people familiar with the matter have said those talks no longer appear to be active, partly because the larger deal may be less likely to get the blessing of federal antitrust regulators.

Skeptics say a merger of the size and complexity that Delta is said to be considering will face huge obstacles. Antitrust regulators could rule that a deal harms competitors or consumers. They could block a deal or require the airlines to shed routes, airport gates and other assets. A big merger also could face opposition from politicians, employees and communities who fear that a merger could raise fares, cost jobs and lead to the closing of one or more hub airports and a company headquarters.

Atlanta-based Delta has hubs in Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City, while Minneapolis-based Northwest has hubs in Minneapolis, Detroit and Memphis.

The merging airlines also would face complex challenges merging computer systems and aircraft fleets. Blending work forces with differing levels of unionization and separate seniority lists could bring another big obstacle.

However, airline officials indicate that Delta could sidestep much of the opposition by avoiding the closing of hub airports or significant downsizing after a merger. And while the merging companies would likely cut redundant administrative jobs, they may attempt to defuse community opposition by retaining certain job levels or departments at a former headquarters.

Officials said a merger would still be expected to generate major benefits even without big cuts to capacity or employee headcount. They say a big merger will create a global network, continuing Delta's recent push to expand into more lucrative overseas markets where there is little competition from discount carriers.

International routes could generate half the combined carriers' revenues post-merger, according to people familiar with the company's thinking, compared to about 35 percent now and only 20 percent about three years ago. The merged carriers also would have more negotiating power with corporate clients and greater schedule and fleet flexibility, these people said.

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/delta/stories/2008/02/01/delta_0202.html
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Who is they? CO is the most healthy airline of the three you named, so they would stay and keep their HQ in Houston. Southwest, based in Dallas, is also another that would stay.

I also haven't seen any other news about this possible merger.
Trae, as you get older you will learn a little more insight as to how 'power politics' and 'power economics' work. Although CO maybe doing well, one must always keep in mind that, ultimately, the concept of 'doing well' is solely determined by the majority of shareholders in a firm. If the shareholders of CO consider a merger of CO with another airline as a move that would increase the value of their shares, then buddy, you better bet your bottom dollar that that would be the direction to which the shareholders will pressure the company to proceed. In the end, where an airline's hub(s) is(are) located post-merger is by and large based on minimal over-lap and maximum profit.
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