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Old Posted Jan 21, 2008, 10:12 AM
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Published Monday January 21st, 2008


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There's a New Brunswick in New Jersey. But will there soon be a little bit of New Jersey in New Brunswick?

That's what Saint John residents are asking, following a visit to the city by representatives for Donald Trump, the U.S. real estate mogul whose holdings include three casinos in Atlantic City, N.J.

Trump Entertainment Resorts is one of the best-known real estate developers in the United States and owns a variety of properties in the hospitality and entertainment industry. But the organization's expertise in operating gambling resorts makes it a likely candidate to develop a waterfront casino in Saint John, serving convention and cruise ship travellers visiting from the U.S. That's exactly the sort of destination gaming operation New Brunswickers are interested in.

The majority of New Brunswickers aren't opposed to casino gambling on principle; they're opposed to gambling operations designed to take the bulk of their profits from New Brunswickers who can ill afford to lose. The government's destination gaming policy reflects public sentiment on this issue: Finance Minister Victor Boudreau is looking for a casino proposal that will rely on drawing gamblers to New Brunswick, rather than creating new gamblers here.

The provincial government is encouraging developers who can afford to play for high stakes and build a first-class resort - the kind of facility capable of leveraging additional business development in the form of hotels, restaurants and entertainment around the anchor point of the resort.

Saint John's waterfront is a prime location for such development, and if anyone can appreciate the potential, it's the property managers employed by Donald Trump.

Trump Entertainment Resorts' scouting expedition is a reminder of Saint John's potential. The provincial government has an opportunity to significantly expand tourism and the "import dollars" it generates through strategic waterfront development. Destination gaming, cruise ships and the convention trade are all opportunities that should be tapped as assiduously as the potential in energy exports.

Projects on agenda tonight
Common council Public hearings slated on three proposed major developments


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SAINT JOHN - Three major projects that will potentially change the face of Saint John are on the agenda for tonight's common council meeting.

Two of them - the construction of an apartment building covering a block between Prince William and Water streets and the transformation of Fairville Boulevard to accommodate a shopping centre - have been discussed for months but, in reality, they will be reaching council chambers for the first time tonight.

Another is the development of hundreds of high-rise waterfront condominiums on the west side's Fort Dufferin site.

"These are major items in terms of moving development forward," says city planner Jim Baird.

"There are still important details for the community to fully understand and appreciate all of them."

The Fort Dufferin proposal could see three high-rise buildings, up to 12 stories high, built at the coastal end of City Line and next to the Partridge Island breakwater. The 6.72-hectare site could eventually be home to 600 condominiums and tie into Harbour Passage or water taxis connecting the uptown and Partridge Island.

The proposal includes a mix of one-, two-, and three-bedroom condominium units built in three phases with an eight-storey building and a two-storey building going up first.

Meanwhile, the city has approved the sale of city-owned property on Fairville Boulevard to Plazacorp Property Holdings Inc., which is working toward an agreement with Canadian Tire and Sobeys. One of the conditions in the agreement with Plaza is that before April 17, "the retail development ... has been approved by the board of directors of Canadian Tire Corporation and Sobeys Inc."

Plaza is buying the combined tracts of land for $2.5 million.

The third project, a proposal to build a mixed commercial development at 243 Prince William St. and 230 Water St., requires the rezoning of about 5,640 square metres of land to integrated development. The city sold the property to John Rocca of Ellerdale Investments last month for $450,000.

During public hearings tonight, the developers will seek preliminary approval to make zoning amendments that would allow construction of the three projects to begin.

From a planning advisory perspective, they were all "reasonably straightforward," said Baird, and were recommended by the city's planning advisory committee.

There have been suggestions to make the Fort Dufferin and Water Street projects better, Baird said, but there have been "very few comments by the general public, either positive and negative."

Baird said he couldn't recall a time when projects of such magnitude came forward together.

"There have been lots of times we've had a variety of things, but maybe not to this scale," he said.

The open session of tonight's council meeting starts at 5:20 p.m.

Submissions by council members include a report on the provincial courthouse by Deputy Mayor Michelle Hooton and Coun. Chris Titus.

Coun. Stephen Chase has a submission about possible information sessions for potential municipal election candidates.


Things are looking good, really good.....
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2008, 3:53 PM
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A guide to the buildings north of Union



Published Monday January 21st, 2008
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Here is a guide to the buildings in the area of the police-justice complex, from Hazen Avenue to Wellington Row:

1-5 Hazen Avenue

(Vito's)

* Built 1891

* It's been a "liquor establish ment," a spice mill, a cigar factory, a business college, a school board office, a day centre and, since 1981, a restaurant

* One former occupant introduced lacrosse to Saint John in 1889

* Has no role in police-justice complex

2-19 Hazen Avenue

(Former YMCA-YWCA)

* Built mid-1950s

* Coming down to make way for 13-courtroom justice complex, slated to be completed in 2010

* Heritage advocates have not expressed any concerns over this building; stands on the site of a former mansion

* Deputy Mayor Michelle Hooton, chairwoman of heritage board, happy with proposed design of justice complex

* Province not providing public consultations

3-20 Hazen Avenue

(Saint John Arts Centre)

* Built 1904

* The Carnegie building, one of 2,500 libraries donated by American philanthropist Andrew Carnegie across the U.S. and Canada; became Aitken Bicentennial Exhibition Centre, then Saint John Arts Centre

* Building includes an intricate stained-glass skylight over its three-storey high rotunda style foyer

* The building will remain amidst police-justice complex

* Arts Centre board worries that access to the centre will be diminished

* City officials laud almost $2 million in work being done on the building

4-50 Carleton Street

(Relatively small building behind Arts Centre)

* Built 1938

* Residential home

* Then-pastor of nearby St. John's (Stone) Church lived there from 1944 to 1957

* Obtained by city as part of parking lot swap with Aliant

* Could possibly be torn down; Coun. Chris Titus felt it was likely

5-97 Union Street

(Broderick Building)

* Built 1903

* Owned by Broderick family from construction until recent sale to the city

* First occupant was Dr. Edward James Broderick, physician, musician and noted speaker

* Purchased by the city in April for $290,000

* Could possibly be torn down; Coun. Chris Titus felt it was likely

6-101 Union Street

(An automotive service centre)

* Could possibly be torn down; Coun. Chris Titus felt it was likely

7-63-65 Carleton Street

(Run-down blue building next to dentist's office)

* Built pre-1863

* Bought by Saint John Parking Commission, will come down

* 63 Carleton was home to world-famous wood carver John Rogerson; 65 Carleton was home to Zebedee Gabel, a founder of the New Brunswick Baptist Seminary and a board of directors member at Acadia College

* Building was examined for physical heritage value, alternate use or rehabilitation possibilities and none found, city officials say

* Anything salvageable will be given to Habitat for Humanity

* Could be site of parking or sold to a developer

* All other buildings on that side of Carleton will not be affected

8-68 Carleton Street

(Former CFBC building)

* Built in 1800s, date uncertain

* Former home of Henry Bowyer Smith, collector of customs at the Port of Saint John; his father was lieutenant-governor of Prince Edward Island and his uncle was a British admiral

* Also former home of James Robertson, of Manchester, Robertson, Allison (MRA) department store at the corner of King and Germain streets

* First CFBC broadcast happened in this building, in 1946, when CFBC was a CBC affiliate

9-76-78 Carleton Street

(Shaarei Zedek synagogue)

* Built 1872

* Has been home to both the Jewish community and, in its early years, the Calvin Presbyterian Church

* Could potentially come down; Mayor Norm McFarlane said it won't be needed, but Jewish leader says he expects it and, furthermore, wouldn't mind

* The synagogue and the museum are being purchased together for the price of $475,000

10-27-29 Wellington Row

(Saint John Jewish Historical Museum)

* Built before the Great Fire of 1877

* Has been Jewish museum since 1986

* Was bought with understanding that city would buy synagogue as well

* The synagogue and the museum were bought for the combined price of $475,000

11-10 Peel Street

(Kaye residence)

* Built pre-1863

* First occupant was James J. Kaye, a prominent lawyer in the Maritime provinces

12-7, 15, and 19

Wellington Row

(Sometimes called the Jelly Bean buildings or the Bubble Gum buildings because of their colourful paint jobs)

* These woodframe buildings are of Second Empire design, as can be told from their Mansard (sloped) roofs, placing their construction between 1860 and 1890

13 - 105 and 109

Union Street

(Various current uses)

* Built pre-1863

* 105 Union was former home of Benjamin Appleby, who set up successful shipyard at Riverside in the early 1830s

* 105 contains businesses

* Each building owned within the same family

14- 115, 117, 119 Union Street

(Various current uses)

* Built pre-1869

* Was a three-family complex occupied by William G. Lawton, a well-to-do England native in the dry goods business

* 117 Union Street was purchased for $185,000, while 119 Union Street was purchased for $218,000. In both cases, staff said it was "slightly more" than the appraised value, but less than the city would have spent using expropriation
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Im not sure if Saint John residence realize this but there was also Trump people in Moncton also according to The sleuth who tends to call these people and well he called the trump people and they were in Moncton also checking out the downtown soo more aless and not to spoil the party Saint John but well hes not just looking at your city im assuming he probably checked out fredericton too.... anyways the point is the stories of it in your papers doesnt mean anything because he could easily choose Moncton or Fredericton or he could go to NS and see if Halifax wanted another on.... so yeah he was checking out more citys than just saint john so dont get to excited.
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Im not sure if Saint John residence realize this but there was also Trump people in Moncton also according to The sleuth who tends to call these people and well he called the trump people and they were in Moncton also checking out the downtown soo more aless and not to spoil the party Saint John but well hes not just looking at your city im assuming he probably checked out fredericton too.... anyways the point is the stories of it in your papers doesnt mean anything because he could easily choose Moncton or Fredericton or he could go to NS and see if Halifax wanted another on.... so yeah he was checking out more citys than just saint john so dont get to excited.
Who's getting excited? And who's "The Sleuth"? And if "The Sleuth" can get The Trump posse to talk to 'him' or 'them' why would they not confirm with the other major media institutions as well? News 889 reports the following: http://news889.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20080118_180858_5132
And in Moncton, News 919 reports this story: http://www.news919.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20080118_063052_4512 - again, even in the Moncton story, there is no mention of Trump having been in Moncton. Having worked in the media for 11 years, I am confused about why Trump people would talk to "The Sleuth" and nobody else?!?
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I agree everyone argues well Saint John has more bigger buildings and more of a Downtown and Monctons bigger in pop. wise but all in all Saint John was the first Incorperated City in NB making it obvious that they would have a better downtown do to the fact they are been around alot longer than Moncton. Monctons Population is increasing because of the jobs coming here because Moncton is considered a younger city. Anyways point is that Saint John will get jobs and Population will increase same with Moncton.... for the ammount of putting down of one city and sticking up for the other we are citys a like in many ways. If anything the two citys should work together to make this province a go to place... I gaurentee you Edmonton and Calgary don't whine and complain about whose bigger or whose got a better downtown they do what they need to do to get population.... If Moncton and SJ would stop bickering over whose better and just go ahead with projects and work together on bringing population back to the maritimes this would be better for everyone.

The KV vs. Dieppe thing KV cant compare to dieppe on the idea that dieppe has huge uptown project in development right now plus a downtown and many other things on the go. The other thing is Dieppe has a Large number of people who speak french.
Just a 'lil history lesson: Saint John is the oldest incorporated City in Canada. All Atlantic Canadians can appreciate this fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_John,_New_Brunswick
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The "Sleuth" is just somebody who works for the news paper who had the guts to bug the people anyways.... The thing was the trump people werent supposed to be found out by anyone they were just supposed to be in NB secretly then out once they looked at stuff but what ended up happening is word got out and then the news go involved in the SJ area in the Moncton Area nobody new they were here because the word never broke out they Trump people were in the Downtown looking at some spots... this was reported after the two radio stations reported im thinking a few days after not 100% sure anyways they were here because the newspaper got a hold and confirmed they were in Moncton also.... this i also found out from a friend who works at the T&T which clearly means im not lieing.
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There's a New Brunswick in New Jersey. But will there soon be a little bit of New Jersey in New Brunswick?
While we're in a nitpicking mood today, might as well point this out.

There is a New Jersey in New Brunswick. It's a tiny rural community between Miramichi and Burnt Church.
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Who's getting excited? And who's "The Sleuth"? And if "The Sleuth" can get The Trump posse to talk to 'him' or 'them' why would they not confirm with the other major media institutions as well? News 889 reports the following: http://news889.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20080118_180858_5132
And in Moncton, News 919 reports this story: http://www.news919.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20080118_063052_4512 - again, even in the Moncton story, there is no mention of Trump having been in Moncton. Having worked in the media for 11 years, I am confused about why Trump people would talk to "The Sleuth" and nobody else?!?
The Sleuth writes a roumour page in the T&T. He said that his "sources" told him Trumps reps also visited moncton. This guy is usually right about most stuff, but who knows.

EDIT: whoops guess I was beat to the punch haha
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Im not sure if Saint John residence realize this but there was also Trump people in Moncton also according to The sleuth who tends to call these people and well he called the trump people and they were in Moncton also checking out the downtown soo more aless and not to spoil the party Saint John but well hes not just looking at your city im assuming he probably checked out fredericton too.... anyways the point is the stories of it in your papers doesnt mean anything because he could easily choose Moncton or Fredericton or he could go to NS and see if Halifax wanted another on.... so yeah he was checking out more citys than just saint john so dont get to excited.
Please go away with this Moncton/Saint John childishness.

Of course they looked everywhere in the province.
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Trump can go from NY to Timbuktu as far as I'm concerned...until any announcement is made, I won't be getting "excited". All we did was post articles just like you did on your forum.

I usually don't get worked up about the babyish whining coming in and starting arguments, but give it a rest already. If it makes you feel any better...yes you have a larger CMA....does that make it better for you?

That's all, I'm going baq to ignoring the nonsense....(I think I can)...
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Calgary and Edmonton don’t fight about who has a bigger, better city… we all know Calgary is much better anyways . I think it’s good to have Trump’s guys come and take a look at NB because you can see how much interest there is in the province. If the casino goes in Saint John or it goes in Moncton it’s still a win/win situation for everyone (jobs/province money/ tourism/ etc).
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Calgary and Edmonton don’t fight about who has a bigger, better city… we all know Calgary is much better anyways . I think it’s good to have Trump’s guys come and take a look at NB because you can see how much interest there is in the province. If the casino goes in Saint John or it goes in Moncton it’s still a win/win situation for everyone (jobs/province money/ tourism/ etc).
I agree...it'll be fine wherever it goes. Both towns have "best" places for the development. It belongs uptown or downtown...somewhere with some density...like the Sheraton in Halifax.
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well I still want it to go to Saint John... hope it doesn't end up in halifax!
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Im not sure if Saint John residence realize this but there was also Trump people in Moncton also according to The sleuth who tends to call these people and well he called the trump people and they were in Moncton also checking out the downtown soo more aless and not to spoil the party Saint John but well hes not just looking at your city im assuming he probably checked out fredericton too.... anyways the point is the stories of it in your papers doesnt mean anything because he could easily choose Moncton or Fredericton or he could go to NS and see if Halifax wanted another on.... so yeah he was checking out more citys than just saint john so dont get to excited.
Fredericton said a while back they din't want the casino.
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well I still want it to go to Saint John... hope it doesn't end up in halifax!
I think SJ has some very unique attractive aspects for this (or other potential) developments...we have some large, waterfront property...in 15-20 years, this likely won't exist...entrepreneurs with some foresight and vision (say what you want about Mr Trump, but I think most of us would agree that he does seize opportunities) will capitalize on this sooner or later; whether or not his peope were looking at other cities, who knows? What I do know is SJ seems to be being seriously considered...
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I usually don't get worked up about the babyish whining coming in and starting arguments, but give it a rest already. If it makes you feel any better...yes you have a larger CMA....does that make it better for you?

That's all, I'm going baq to ignoring the nonsense....(I think I can)...

Seconded.
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A guide to the buildings north of Union



Published Monday January 21st, 2008
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Here is a guide to the buildings in the area of the police-justice complex, from Hazen Avenue to Wellington Row:

Cool...lots of interesting history on those blocks...
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Im not sure if Saint John residence realize this but there was also Trump people in Moncton also according to The sleuth who tends to call these people and well he called the trump people and they were in Moncton also checking out the downtown soo more aless and not to spoil the party Saint John but well hes not just looking at your city im assuming he probably checked out fredericton too.... anyways the point is the stories of it in your papers doesnt mean anything because he could easily choose Moncton or Fredericton or he could go to NS and see if Halifax wanted another on.... so yeah he was checking out more citys than just saint john so dont get to excited.

I'm sure that there's lots of very interesting information that the "Sleuth" has. Perhaps you should take it to the Moncton forum and discuss it there? It seems like your postings are increasingly inflammatory and negatively toned. . .
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Calgary and Edmonton don’t fight about who has a bigger, better city… we all know Calgary is much better anyways . .

True...and I've said it before...the biggest problem that we as a Province have is infighting...one area/city can't *stand* seeing another "get ahead" in any way....until we realize that by capitalizing on our own unique strengths we ultimately build a stronger Province/Region, we are in effect not achieving our full potential...

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Hootin seems all about the heritage(maybe because she is head of the heritage board) and seems to love uptown and I like watch she has done horiculturally to saint John, But the progress she wants to see uptown is preservation and it seems norm is more up to the challenge of bringing business back to the city. If all these projects start while he is still on office then I think it would hard to not elect for a least one more term and see how it all pans out. I am not to unhappy with what he has done so far. Regardless of the absurd comments he chooses to make he seems to know business a little better than hootin.

I think the thing that may end up hurting Hootin's bid may be her performance a few years back in the Provincial election...she was thought by many to be an easy shoe-in for the PC's, but ended up losing...
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