The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[PostModernPrometheus]

The KV vs. Dieppe thing KV cant compare to dieppe on the idea that dieppe has huge uptown project in development right now plus a downtown and many other things on the go. The other thing is Dieppe has a Large number of people who speak french.


Interesting...I could argue that Dieppe (population 18565 in 2006) would be smaller than Quispamsis (population in 2006 of 15239) + Rothesay (population in 2006 of 11637) for a combined population of about 27,000 - 50% larger than Dieppe. The fact that Rothesay is also one of the richest towns per capita in Atlantic Canada should be considered.

Are you suggesting that large project developments would attract population?? See my above post from earlier today.

The other points made earlier are true - as a Province, we shoot ourselves in the foot all the time, as pissing contests errupt over who has the nicer/bigger/more expensive "whatever".

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[brod3211]

No no... I for one dont pay attention to the population of Rothesay and Quispamsis... I was just pointing out the idea that Dieppe have two or More Huge projects going in there area..... Those projects probably wont make people move there but its just the Idea that they are expanding i just dont see any Fancy city like features in those two areas .... Rothesay and quispamsis are more like a big riverview once they are put together because people are gonna continue to work in Saint John which on Dieppes side being Mostly french having those places and being a city is better for them because they can have there full french offices and stuff instead of working at a billingual one in Moncton..... Rothesay and Quispam. are in my views just not city Material to most people they will always be a town and in my views the arent really part of saint john in a way because you have to drive 15-20 minutes out a highway to get to them.

[brod3211]

You cant use the two of thems population because dieppe is one them are two seperate towns put together .... Dieppe could join with memramcook and Riverview and they could be big two but thats not the point the point is it would take jobs out of saint john if they became a city because they would need to get the needs of a city .... like hospital for one . Or in other idead too Shediac and Sackville could just suddenly be brought into monctons CMA and other areas these are just dumb and probably never gonna happen Ideas

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by brod3211

You cant use the two of thems population because dieppe is one them are two seperate towns put together .... Dieppe could join with memramcook and Riverview and they could be big two but thats not the point the point is it would take jobs out of saint john if they became a city because they would need to get the needs of a city .... like hospital for one . Or in other idead too Shediac and Sackville could just suddenly be brought into monctons CMA and other areas these are just dumb and probably never gonna happen Ideas

Seems to me we have another Moncton lover here in our forums who seems to be trying to get people riled up, just in a clever way. He may put in 1 or 2 constructive comments. But then he throws in a bunch of Moncton loving. Dont worry I've caught on to you already. Im sure the rest of the SJ forumers will as well... right guys?

Peace

[Seely32]

Originally Posted by brod3211

. If anything the two citys should work together to make this province a go to place... I gaurentee you Edmonton and Calgary don't whine and complain about whose bigger or whose got a better downtown they do what they need to do to get population.... If Moncton and SJ would stop bickering over whose better and just go ahead with projects and work together on bringing population back to the maritimes this would be better for everyone.

Have you ever read the edmonton and calgary boards let alone the entire canada board it's usually just one big which city is better. It is a type of nationalism that we all share if we didnt we probably wouldnt be posting and engaging in these pointless arguments about which city has a larger testicular fortitude.

Anyway I try not to bash any city or even come on to other boards and single out thier faults beleive me we are all aware.

[brod3211]

Wooo your wrong im a Charlottetown lover haha im just pointing out things the R and Q joining will probably happen the Moncton thing i said Is just A dumb thing that wont happen.... and the fact that you are saying this and your previous comments on the Moncton thread you are trying to get me to start something up with you but I stick with my Beliefs on if we stop bickering over stupid things like whose nicer/bigger/better downtowns etc.... and work on attracting people to our citys things would be better. and yes I do live in Moncton but i know Monctonians can mouth and complain about SJ and i know you guys do the same.... What I want to know is why we are 2 hours apart what is it SJ bussiness in our brown coloured river or your plants polluting the water both need to be fixed well in Monctons Case thats how the river is coloured you can change that unless they built another causeway farther down which sure as hell wont happen. Anyways I with the whole Q and R thing I wasnt trying to be offensive in anyway i was just pointing out that population doesnt always matter.

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by brod3211

Wooo your wrong im a Charlottetown lover haha im just pointing out things the R and Q joining will probably happen the Moncton thing i said Is just A dumb thing that wont happen.... and the fact that you are saying this and your previous comments on the Moncton thread you are trying to get me to start something up with you but I stick with my Beliefs on if we stop bickering over stupid things like whose nicer/bigger/better downtowns etc.... and work on attracting people to our citys things would be better. and yes I do live in Moncton but i know Monctonians can mouth and complain about SJ and i know you guys do the same.... What I want to know is why we are 2 hours apart what is it SJ bussiness in our brown coloured river or your plants polluting the water both need to be fixed well in Monctons Case thats how the river is coloured you can change that unless they built another causeway farther down which sure as hell wont happen. Anyways I with the whole Q and R thing I wasnt trying to be offensive in anyway i was just pointing out that population doesnt always matter.

uh huh,

[brod3211]

uh huh indeed anyways i like the idea of alot of the things on the main page and hope they all get built as for you micheal.... just stop starting fights with people and trying to your better off to argue points then to go head and start mouthing and saying things when you really dont know why im posting for

[PostModernPrometheus]

You cant use the two of thems population because dieppe is one them are two seperate towns put together .... Dieppe could join with memramcook and Riverview and they could be big two but thats not the point the point is it would take jobs out of saint john if they became a city because they would need to get the needs of a city ....

i disagree....comparing a KV amalgamation to Dieppe (which is what the original post was about) requires that the additive population in teh KV be considered...I guess that's the whole point to why both Quispamsis and Rothesay have been seriously considering becoming one town (? someone correct me if I'm wrong --> but KV would then be the 4th largest city in NB) . . . . I dont think it's a matter of stealing jobs from SJ...i see it as capitalizing on an opportunity (only time will tell though)....as for the hospital, well, the SJRH is the single largest hospital (under one roof) in atlantic canada...plus, most of rothesay or quispam is only about a 10 min drive to the downtown core, so no, a dedicated hospital is not needed......it also brings a largest political voice to the area, which is good...As far as i'm aware, dieppe and memramcook aren't considering amalgamating....

i'm going to turn my attention back to posting around current projects, etc....*** lol...folks, we all live in the same province, let's try not to nitpick one another!!!!! ***

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by PostModernPrometheus

You cant use the two of thems population because dieppe is one them are two seperate towns put together .... Dieppe could join with memramcook and Riverview and they could be big two but thats not the point the point is it would take jobs out of saint john if they became a city because they would need to get the needs of a city ....

i disagree....comparing a KV amalgamation to Dieppe (which is what the original post was about) requires that the additive population in teh KV be considered...I guess that's the whole point to why both Quispamsis and Rothesay have been seriously considering becoming one town (? someone correct me if I'm wrong --> but KV would then be the 4th largest city in NB) . . . . I dont think it's a matter of stealing jobs from SJ...i see it as capitalizing on an opportunity (only time will tell though)....as for the hospital, well, the SJRH is the single largest hospital (under one roof) in atlantic canada...plus, most of rothesay or quispam is only about a 10 min drive to the downtown core, so no, a dedicated hospital is not needed......it also brings a largest political voice to the area, which is good...As far as i'm aware, dieppe and memramcook aren't considering amalgamating....

i'm going to turn my attention back to posting around current projects, etc....*** lol...folks, we all live in the same province, let's try not to nitpick one another!!!!! ***

Agree!

[mmmatt]

So if Quispamsis and Rothesy join they will be larger than Dieppe? That is of no consequence...the ammount of people remains the same its just a movement of an invisible line...we could also just move the moncton line out a bit to include Moncton Parish which has about 10,000 people then Moncton would be larger than SJ, than incorporate Riverview (17,500) and Dieppe (18,500) and have a new city of 36,000, 9,000 more than KV.

[thefishingnut]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

So if Quispamsis and Rothesy join they will be larger than Dieppe? That is of no consequence...the ammount of people remains the same its just a movement of an invisible line...we could also just move the moncton line out a bit to include Moncton Parish which has about 10,000 people then Moncton would be larger than SJ, than incorporate Riverview (17,500) and Dieppe (18,500) and have a new city of 36,000, 9,000 more than KV.

Who gives a rats ass about this Moncton versus Saint John garbage. Please stop posting Moncton stuff in the Saint John thread.

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by thefishingnut

Who gives a rats ass about this Moncton versus Saint John garbage. Please stop posting Moncton stuff in the Saint John thread.

Seriously though, its getting retarded. He needs a good swift kick in the ass if anything.

[PersonPlaceorThing]

On a more Saint John related note...

Has anyone given any thought as to which mayorial Candidate would be best for development? I'm asking because development North of Union could be come a big issue in the upcoming election.

[PostModernPrometheus]

Originally Posted by PersonPlaceorThing

On a more Saint John related note...

Has anyone given any thought as to which mayorial Candidate would be best for development? I'm asking because development North of Union could be come a big issue in the upcoming election.

Hmmmm....do we have a confirmed list of those running to choose from yet?

[Helladog]

Originally Posted by PostModernPrometheus

Im not trying to start anything so nobody get all upset, if you look at stats Canada Saint John population was the only one too decrease since 2001. When i say only one to decrease im talking about between them Moncton and Fredericton, Monctons increase by 6.5% and im not sure about fredericton, but when you see a negative in front of your population percentage it means things need to be changed... Building more offices or new police stations or casinos or anything doesnt make your population more... im thinking Saint John needs to do work on attracting more people to live there instead of building things ...


LOL...not upset at all...some good points in there, but i don't think that the road to population growth and improved development / quality of life is linear...theres a ton of variables to take into consideration...1) how accurate is the census, particularaly for SJ which has HUGE rates of poverty and illiteracy...is it conceivable that a lot of folks may not have even been counted in, thus the population is underestimated? 2) at any given time, there are a number of people working / spending $ in the city for a period of several months - a few years who do not call SJ or NB home...again, not reflective in the census 3) despite the slight neg growth, the suburbs of SJ *are* growing 4) of course, the act of building offices or new buildings does not "grow" a population, but these are good general indicators of a reasonable economy with a positive outlook to the future; the mere act of major construction is a catalyst, and not only does it provide jobs, but it also attracts attention, population ,etc even on the residential side in the past 18 months...huge changes - it's a seller's market, there's new multiunit developments going up (eg: bentley crossing, leinster st., robertson's wharf, not to mention the ones in the planning stages) that are selling like hotcakes...clearly, there is *some* interest, and my guess is that the population will slowly grow in the coming years.

i guess that new infrastructure psychologically serves to increase confidence in a given area...which usually correlates to attracting (or retaining) population.

Not to mention:...the 11+% increase in our labour force this year while our unemployment rate remianed around 5%. I guess these ppl are not living in SJ??? Are they commuting from Moncton? I wonder why there are many new apartment buildings around which are filling up with no problems. Perhaps the energy projects both here and to come are being ignored?

[PostModernPrometheus]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

So if Quispamsis and Rothesy join they will be larger than Dieppe? That is of no consequence...the ammount of people remains the same its just a movement of an invisible line...we could also just move the moncton line out a bit to include Moncton Parish which has about 10,000 people then Moncton would be larger than SJ, than incorporate Riverview (17,500) and Dieppe (18,500) and have a new city of 36,000, 9,000 more than KV.

Well, that's all very interesting, but really doesnt apply to the original statement/posting, which suggested that a KV city would be unable to compete or be a match Dieppe . . . and come on, the process and results is much more than a simplistic view of "moving an invisible line" in terms of the resulting political clout, Provincial funding formulas, etc....


I also agree with recent postings...the number of mildly inflammatory postings that really have very little to do with SJ are rather remarkable in the past few days....how about we stay on track here?

[PostModernPrometheus]

Originally Posted by Helladog

Not to mention:...the 11+% increase in our labour force this year while our unemployment rate remianed around 5%. I guess these ppl are not living in SJ??? Are they commuting from Moncton?

I guess it just goes to underscore the point that things can rapidly change, and for better or worse, the future rarely adheres to the rules of statistically based predictions!

[Helladog]

Originally Posted by PostModernPrometheus

Hmmmm....do we have a confirmed list of those running to choose from yet?

I'd like to see whos running 1st...but I'd choose Norm ahead of Hootin. She seems self-absorbed and blah blah (have you met her?). As for Norm, he may have kicked himself with the LNG tax deal and Rockwood Park, but at least we're open for business, even if it means ol' crumbly has to go...I've also heard Ivan Court wants a piece of the action, but I'm not sure he has the guts.

[Seely32]

Hootin seems all about the heritage(maybe because she is head of the heritage board) and seems to love uptown and I like watch she has done horiculturally to saint John, But the progress she wants to see uptown is preservation and it seems norm is more up to the challenge of bringing business back to the city. If all these projects start while he is still on office then I think it would hard to not elect for a least one more term and see how it all pans out. I am not to unhappy with what he has done so far. Regardless of the absurd comments he chooses to make he seems to know business a little better than hootin.

In regards to LNg and rockwood most politicians are crooked but it seems his sneakiness is bringing change at the least.