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Old Posted Dec 27, 2007, 3:46 PM
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^^ I've checked the Redcliffe Mgmnt website on an almost daily basis for the "new plans". No luck. But hey, keep your eyes peeled, who knows:

http://www.redcliffrealty.com/leasin...roperty_PK=223
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apparently construction is underway for the new Zellers at Centre Mall...sorry if this was already posted. I don't remember seeing it.
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^^ Neat! Is it going along the back of the lot?
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2008, 10:43 PM
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I'm going down there in a bit, I'll keep an eye out for it.
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behind the current zellers....it's just a big hole and pile of dirt right now.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2008, 11:21 PM
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Ah. That explains why I saw nothing.
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Yes it is construction work going on. They are working right back to the tracks. The old parameter road has been torn up. The work starts on the west right by the north south road that comes in from Barton next to The Barn. I did not get to see how farm east it goes. They where taking out loads of dirt and I hope it is to start the foundations.
At the east end next to Sears, they are demolishing the old Sear/Green & Ross service centre. I believe this is where the new Canadian Tire is supposed to go.
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Redcliff does have some info on their corporate site if you go to the Centre's fact sheet. Everything is listed as "Under Redevelopment" but it appears to list the future anchor tenants--as it mentions Zellers, Loblaws and Canadian Tire as over 100,000 square feet.

It also mentions all phased redevelopment being complete by Christmas 2009.
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Farmer's market moves to new site in March

The Hamilton Spectator
(Jan 16, 2008)

The former Centre Mall farmer's market is one step closer to its new home.

Councillors voted yesterday at a planning committee meeting to rezone two parking lots on Britannia Avenue off Ottawa Street to give the market a permanent home. The market was forced out of its historic location at Centre Mall because of a massive retail redevelopment. The market has set up a temporary location in the Canadian Tire parking lot on Barton Street.

The new location is supported by market vendors and area businesses. The city received only one letter of complaint from a resident, who is concerned the market will increase parking congestion and bother nearby houses. City staff stated the vendors will not idle their vehicles and will take away any garbage they produce.

The new location will mean a loss of about 20 parking spaces, but the local BIA believes that will be offset by an increase in business for area shops.

The market is expected to move to its permanent location in March.
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Revamped Centre Mall to offer mix of stores with 'something for everybody'

The Hamilton Spectator

(Jan 19, 2008)

City planning staff has given conditional approval to the site plan submitted by Redcliff for the Centre Mall redevelopment.

While some of the major tenants have been announced, Don Burton, senior vice-president of the shopping centres group for Redcliff, said a formal announcement will be made once all the conditions of the site plan have been met, likely sometime next month.

In the meantime, Redcliff has filed for two minor variances to the city, one for a slight reduction in parking spaces, the other to allow for the placement of some buildings, such as the banks, closer to the street -- a move suggested by the urban design team at the city.

The site plan does not include plans for the redevelopment of the Canadian Tire store located at Ottawa and Barton. However, there are plans for the Canadian Tire to move to Kenilworth, leaving a big question mark on the site.

While tenant agreements are still largely under negotiation, Wayne Roberts, Centre Mall's manager, said most of the banks, the pharmacy (Shoppers) and several food-court tenants will stay in the mall until the fall when their new buildings are complete.

The banks will be located on Barton and Kenilworth, Shoppers Drug Mart will be located on Barton. Some of the food-court tenants will move to a new enclosed food pavilion, some will move to stand-alone restaurants within the site. The community policing centre will likely be relocated to the food pavilion's second storey.

Once the mall is empty, it will come down and the construction will be completed for several large tenants, which will be located further back on the site. Those include a Loblaws store, a Zellers and a Canadian Tire. There are also plans for an 87,000-square-foot block with four separate tenants.

There are also about 10 blocks of varying sizes that will host anywhere from eight to 10 tenants each.

Once complete, there will be about 710,000 square feet of retail space.

Burton said many of the blocks will host "groupings" of retailers. For example, the block close to Shoppers will likely be rented out to dentists, optometrists, optical stores and other health-care retailers. A new LCBO will be located near the Beer Store on Barton.

The aim, said Burton, is to serve the local market while also attracting new shoppers to the centre of the city.

"We've done some market research. We'll refine the mix (of stores) to reflect those findings. There will be something for everybody."
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In the meantime, Redcliff has filed for two minor variances to the city, one for a slight reduction in parking spaces, the other to allow for the placement of some buildings, such as the banks, closer to the street -- a move suggested by the urban design team at the city.
Wow... that's a first! Let's hope the city allows it!
Over-all, this article makes the project sound more promising than I once thought.
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they'll allow it. it was the city's idea.
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End of the line at Centre Mall

Sidewalk sale? Yeah, it might go too, as they clear it all out before stores are demolished

January 19, 2008
Lisa Grace Marr
The Hamilton Spectator

Years ago Angela Cutaia, owner of Daniel's Restaurant, dug through Centre Mall's dusty collection of photos carefully selecting a few to enlarge and hang on the walls to celebrate the mall's history. Hamilton's history.

Now they're for sale.

In fact just about everything in the mall seems to be on sale.

It's the last sidewalk sale in the iconic shopping centre, which was built in 1955.

Centre Mall is about to be transformed with an estimated $100-million redevelopment.

Many of the tenants who are left are selling off inventory in preparations for a move or store closure.

Daniel's is one of the latter.

Cutaia is closing the doors on the restaurant her dad opened 20 years ago. Larry Houle, 52, at Jim's Nut Shack, decided to end the 40-year business. Torcan's luggage shop has the distinction of being the oldest tenant after 53 years. Lou Civil, its owner, is retiring.

Most of the smaller, non-national brand stores will disappear from Centre Mall's roster.

The prices are just too rich.

Branko Radmilovic at Watch Clock and Repair established at Robinson's in 1981) crunched numbers over and over but couldn't make the high lease price, the long-term conditions and the $100,000 investment work.

So he's moving to Ottawa Street.

"A lot of people are moving out to Kenilworth, Barton and Ottawa. They seem to have a community there," he said. "The mall does need an upgrade but as time went on, the enthusiasm went down. A lot of customers don't like the idea (of a big-box centre). I just don't see how it's going to work."

The enclosed mall will be torn down as a series of new stores, banks, restaurants and retail blocks go up along the streets, and toward the back of the site against the railroad tracks complete with sidewalks and parking lots.

Barb Dobson and her elderly friends who live in an apartment nearby say they'll keep coming to the mall.

But they don't like what they're hearing about the changes. Dobson uses a walker and thinks it might be hard to get to the bank in winter.

Scott and Margaret Taylor worry about the seniors and young moms in the neighbourhood. They're newly retired and just moved to the east end five years ago from Burlington.

They don't think the new, fancy outdoor stores with sidewalks will be convenient for those with mobility issues or children in tow. Besides, it won't suit customers used to bargain prices and a homey feel the mall has come to offer.

They've loved Centre Mall and Daniel's, before they even moved to the neighbourhood. "It's difficult to say goodbye to the past but if there's a future with a vision you don't mind -- but I don't see that vision," said Margaret.

However, Houle said even though it means the end of his employment, the mall owners are spending millions. It's their money and something has to change.

"It's been brutal," he says of sales.

While many of the independent tenants aren't staying at the mall site, they are staying in the community.

Shirley Stonebridge is moving Silks and Such florist shop to Barton Street East, as is Bizhan Ahmadi's shoe repair shop and his family's Riders Solutions motorcycle wear store. Ahmadi said he'll be sharing space with another store at the southeast corner of Barton and Ottawa.

"We shouldn't be moving but we can't afford to stay," he says.

Patty Despinic, executive director of the Ottawa Street BIA, said she hasn't been this busy in a decade fielding requests for retail spaces.

"If I had 12, 1,000 square-foot spaces they'd be gone tomorrow," she said. "We knew it would happen, just not to this extremity."
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2008, 1:27 PM
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Reading that last article above, it's clear that a bunch of smaller tenants will open up shop along main retail streets in the area.
I REALLY hope Kenilworth can make a comeback. I'm pretty excited to see this whole area (and Barton St in general) in a couple years!
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2008, 2:51 PM
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That article definitely got me pretty excited.
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outside the friendly confines of the mall, many of these retailers will go belly-up. happens every time. let's hope i'm wrong.

the only good thing i can see is the relocation of the market to ottawa. that said, these developers are insane not to include it into their plan. i'd have it as the centrepiece to the redevelopment. house it in a nice pavilion, etc. but what do i know?
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2008, 4:18 PM
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^^ Ya, I agree about the market.

Had the developped the mall into a village-type outdoor shopping centre, they could have made a piazza or courtyard in the middle w/ the farmer's market set up there.

But hey, what do *I* know. I'm just the consumer, not the developper... I don't know what kind of shopping centres consumers like myself like best
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2008, 4:38 PM
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what you guys are talking about is considering thinking outside the box (or big box).
modern-day developers aren't the most creative bunch, in case you hadn't noticed. cheap, cardboard, disposable buildings that will make them a pile of money now and need to be torn down within a few decades is the current business model.
No such thing as community-building or strengthening society anymore among the big money. They used to be until government gave them free reign to do whatever they want in order to save a buck. Now they can make $500 million instead of a measly $300 million by cutting corners and ruining our public realm. Even though the Act of Incorporation states a duty and responsibility to uphold values, contribute to society and uphold human rights etc....nobody holds them to it. Money is king....at the expense of everything else, moral or not.
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^^ unfortunately, that goes for every business out there. Not just developers.
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^^ unfortunately, that goes for every business out there. Not just developers.
I wouldn't say that. There are still many business folks who give great consideration to society, quality of life, civic enhancement etc.... but it's becoming less and less likely among the big players. And historically, they were the leaders in that area.
Not anymore.
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