Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[delts145]

Air France tied to Delta deal

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695245013,00.html

Air France already is an ally of Delta and Northwest in SkyTeam, one of the three major international airline groupings. Air France-KLM also could provide strategic or financial backing in a Delta bid for Northwest, the airline most likely to emerge as Delta's preferred partner, according to people familiar with the negotiations.

I think a Delta - Northwest merger is in the proverbial bag. This will be a huge plus for Salt Lake City's already booming economic engine and bright future.

[jedikermit]

You're such an optimist, Delts.

[delts145]

You really think so Jedi... LOL. Maybe sometimes too much so, but I'm pretty excited about the possibilities of a Delta/Northwest Merger. I think in a lot of ways, it will play like the Dallas hub closure. Service, employment additions, and airport expansion will be even further enhanced.

[delts145]

Becker wants historic Fisher mansion, a 'hidden jewel,' open to public

http://origin.sltrib.com/news/ci_8006584?source=rv


This 19th-century mansion in west Salt Lake City was the one-time home of German brewery baron Albert Fisher. Mayor Ralph Becker decided Thursday that Salt Lake City will keep the mansion and share it as a community gathering place. (Al Hartmann/Salt Lake Tribune)


This 19th-century mansion in west Salt Lake City was the one-time home of German brewery baron Albert Fisher. (Al Hartmann/The Salt Lake Tribune)

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[DMTower]

Thought you guys would be interested:



Vertical farm rises in Las Vegas

Las Vegas is a town known for doing things in a big way. Well now they're giving sustainability the royal treatment. There's a proposal on the table to build the world's first vertical farm. Not just any vertical farm either, but 30 storys of it.

This $200 million project would be able to feed 72,000 people for a year and would grow everything from apples to winter squash.

http://www.slashfood.com/2008/01/16/vertical-farm-rises-in-las-vegas/



There was an article CNN money about the concept as well:

Farming goes vertical

The term "urban farming" may conjure up a community garden where locals grow a few heads of lettuce. But some academics envision something quite different for the increasingly hungry world of the 21st century: a vertical farm that will do for agriculture what the skyscraper did for office space.

Build a 21-story circular greenhouse, says Dickson Despommier, an environmental science professor at Columbia University, and it can be as productive as 588 acres of land - growing, say, 12 million heads of lettuce a year.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/10/technology/farming_vertical.biz2/index.htm?section=money_topstories

And here's the link for the main website:
http://www.verticalfarm.com/index.php

How awesome would it be if Salt Lake was the second place to build one of these? One tower that can feed at least 50,000 people for a year... that's incredible. If you read the website it explains that these vertical farms not only operate at a profit, they can also clean the cities air and water supply. Maybe with a mayor like Ralph Becker Salt Lake could take on a project like this...

[Scraperdude801]

Does anyone have the adress for the Fisher mansion? I forget where it is.

That vertical farm concept is awesome!!! . Wouldn't it be great if one day SLC had one?

[arkhitektor]

There is actually a whole thread dedicated to the topic if you're interested:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=143764

Personally, I think its stupid.

I don't think that there is a shortage of farmland in our area, and I'd much rather see a 30-storey condo housing people downtown and a 588 acre farm in the country instead of the other way around.

Plus, 588 acres at a cost of $200 Million is equal to over $340,000/ acre. Sorry, but land isn't even close to being that scarce or valuable in Utah.

I could see something like this being feasable in some place like Tokyo, but not here.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Scraperdude801

Does anyone have the adress for the Fisher mansion? I forget where it is.

That vertical farm concept is awesome!!! . Wouldn't it be great if one day SLC had one?

Scraperdude, the address is 1206 West 200 South

[DMTower]

One of the points they make is that right now the world is using 80% of it's farmable land, and by 2050 there will be 9.2 billion people on this planet... there isn't nearly enough land to support that. Plus with the development of Kennecott land in the next 50 years there will be a much greater strain for food in the region. Plus we are in a desert. These buildings are designed to actually save and generate water and power rather than be a drain on resources. The need for one of these in Salt Lake may not seem so great now, but in not too long that could easily change.

[SLC Projects]

Thought this was kind of sad.


While walking on Main Street in downtown Salt Lake City between 200 South and 100 South ( Were all the empty store fronts are ) there were some Managuines place inside the window place just to give that part of main street more of a occupied feel.







Look at that reminds me of those movies when everyone on earth is dead and there's only one person left alive and he uses Managuines to make it feel that he's not alone.

[SLC Projects]

New Walker Sign.

[arkhitektor]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Thought this was kind of sad.

While walking on Main Street in downtown Salt Lake City between 200 South and 100 South ( Were all the empty store fronts are ) there were some Managuines place inside the window place just to give that part of main street more of a occupied feel.

Look at that reminds me of those movies when everyone on earth is dead and there's only one person left alive and he uses Managuines to make it feel that he's not alone.

This is actually a part of the "What were we thinking" anti-smoking camaign.
http://www.tobaccofreeutah.org/thinking.html
It was made to look like a cafe from the 60's with everyone smoking inside, but it appears that the smoke machines weren't working when you passed by.

[arkhitektor]

Originally Posted by DMTower

One of the points they make is that right now the world is using 80% of it's farmable land, and by 2050 there will be 9.2 billion people on this planet... there isn't nearly enough land to support that. Plus with the development of Kennecott land in the next 50 years there will be a much greater strain for food in the region. Plus we are in a desert. These buildings are designed to actually save and generate water and power rather than be a drain on resources. The need for one of these in Salt Lake may not seem so great now, but in not too long that could easily change.

Frankly, I just don't believe the argument that we are already using 80% of the earth's farmable land.

As for Kennecott, I don't believe that any of the land they are developing is currently being used in food production.

Even if the need for farmland in the world did become so desperate that we needed to start building massive greenhouses to feed the earth's population, putting them in highrise buildings is a ridiculous idea. It would make far more sense to build large one-level greenhouses in the desert than waste money building highrise farms in our cities.

Almost nothing I eat now is grown locally, so from a freshness point of view, I probably wouldn't mind getting veggies from a greenhouse in the Tooele Valley over one located right downtown.

[DMTower]

"Frankly, I just don't believe the argument that we are already using 80% of the earth's farmable land. That figure comes from professor Dickson Despommier of Columbia University and if you've ever been outside of the United States that figure is not hard to believe. That's one big reason the rain forests are being chopped down.

As for Kennecott, I don't believe that any of the land they are developing is currently being used in food production. When I referred to the Kennecott land I was talking about increased population, not lost farmland

Even if the need for farmland in the world did become so desperate that we needed to start building massive greenhouses to feed the earth's population, putting them in highrise buildings is a ridiculous idea. It would make far more sense to build large one-level greenhouses in the desert than waste money building highrise farms in our cities. According to the professors website the point of having them in urban centers is efficiency. It's not that there isn't anywhere else to put them, it's that it's the best place to put them. The proximity to the population they serve reduces the costs of shipment and delivery as well as reduces carbon emissions.

Almost nothing I eat now is grown locally, so from a freshness point of view, I probably wouldn't mind getting veggies from a greenhouse in the Tooele Valley over one located right downtown." More than being fresh, the produce is grown in a controlled environment where every crop is a good crop. No crops destroyed by weather, no crops destroyed by infestations, no use of pesticides or fertilizers. Completely organic. You can also grow any type of crop year round, 24/7 at much higher yields than outside.

The tiny snippet of information I posted cannot possibly do justice to the brilliance of this concept which is why I posted the link to his website. If you read it I think you will be a lot less skeptical. The bottom line is the study shows that farming this way would turn a decent profit even with the initial expense... so it really wouldn't matter if it's cheaper to farm the old way, you're still making more money this way.

[SLC Projects]

Las Vegas once again is out doing itself.
Everything has to be BIGGER and BETTER in Las Vegas.
Leave it to Las Vegas to built a farm that is taller then ANY buildings here in Salt Lake.

[WASDEN]

I agree with DMTower. It would be cool to have one of these farms locally, of course 30 stories is hardly warranted in the greater Wasatch Front metro, but it would be comforting knowing that we actually produced some of our own food! I would bet none of the veggies/fruit we eat is produced locally- California comes to mind. And with the way gasoline continues to rise having local greenhouses might one day offset the cost of trucking it in. Already the US is outsourcing food production to other nations cuz lets face it, farming = low paying jobs that don't need to be in the US. Plus we recognize that we can make more money off our most productive farm land by paving it over for tract housing/urban sprawl. The reality of this scenario scares me, as I fear the day when our technology fails us. Where would the 2 million of us along the Wasatch Font get our food if they were unwilling to truck it in from elsewhere because they needed it themselves? Sounds like a recipe for a blood bath. Every other organism on our planet lives where it can find plentiful food. Producing food locally just makes sense.

[urbanboy]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

It was made to look like a cafe from the 60's with everyone smoking inside...

Actually I believe it is a cafe scene from 1994? If I remember correctly, there were notices on the tables advertising the coming New Year's Celebration of 1995. Regardless, the message is the same.

[delts145]

I feel like I just entered the 'Twilight Zone' after reading these last few posts, or maybe kind of like reading the forum of the future, LOL. Spooooooky.

[SLC Projects]

Found this in the Sandy City's website,


Exciting New Project Coming to Sandy
January 09, 2008

New Project Coming to Sandy's Civic Corridor

An existing development on the corner of 10000 South and Sandy Parkway has a new owner and a new plan. The new owner has approached the city on several occasions to discuss the project that would include several high-rise buildings, some as many as 20 or more floors, and a mix of retail, housing and office space along with a Broadway-style theater to accommodate the South Valley’s growing arts population. The location of the project fits in with Sandy’s master plan objectives to add a diversity of projects to the civic corridor like retail, office and entertainment venues as well as adding density to the projects and additional terraced parking.

Mayor Dolan noted that, “On several occasions the city has discussed the possibility of a Broadway-style theater or a performing arts center being located near the south end of the valley, but funding the project was always the issue. Having a developer come forward and offer to build a theater as part of his project is a great opportunity to Sandy and the South Valley.”

Sandy’s Director of Community Development, Mike Coulam stated, “Sandy has seen hundreds of new projects developed within the city in the last decade. Each one seems to complement the next by including new amenities and features. This project is accenting what is already in place and bringing a new level of excitement to the downtown area.”





This project sounds kind of cool.
I love the idea of this project being a mix-use with highrise buildings. If this project has underground parking then I'm sold.

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Found this in the Sandy City's website,




This project sounds kind of cool.
I love the idea of this project being a mix-use with highrise buildings. If this project has underground parking then I'm sold.

sounds like you're selling out SLCProjects. ... Sandy getting towers is bad news for DT SLC and for the hopes of a true urban core in our lifetime.