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Old Posted Jan 14, 2008, 11:38 PM
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One thing that make me wonder on the BRT map is... why don't they extend Hwy1 or Hwy7 express bus south to meet with the Fraser Hwy bus at Langley?


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Agreed that the Surrey route should be interesting. Good news that they are tying in Guildford Town Centre (though I could be wrong looking at the map). Route may be along hydro ROW (tail track is just above the words Fraser Hwy in pic below) then along 100th Ave (north side of Green Timbers Park) to Guildford. It would be a shame if they miss Guildford by a few blocks along 96th (although the LRT is planned to run along 104th to Guildford, but would that be axed?).
If you look closer at the map, the dotted line is indeed along 96th. Looking at the highway exit at 152 St, the first intersection would be 108th, then 104th, then 100th, and finally crosses the dots at 96th. Also from the map, the extension seems to end at Fraser @ 84th.
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That's right. The announcement is that they are being prioritized.

WRT Surrey & Guildford, I think 96th is too far from Guildford, but looking at the press release brochure, the dotted "conceptual" shows 96th Ave. 100th Ave is close enough to Guildford, as I think the station should serve the whole town centre and not just the mall - i.e. Surrey Central isn't "at" the mall. Guildford can build out to its south property line to be closer to the station. Plus if a station is integrated with the mall, there would be access (and safety) issues when the mall is closed. There were issues with Brnetwood and Lougheed malls when the M-Line was built - the mall owners wanted the stations at the mall - but I think that they better serve the larger town centre community as built.
Looking at an aerial of the area once the line passes 152nd (whether along 96th or 100th) it's all residential neighbourhoods with no clear ROW through them. Like others have said - it'll be tough to get back to Fraser Highway (unless it's underground?? or makes a right angle turn south). Note Kevin Falcon's CKNW interview (above) that it could run straight down Fraser Highway...that would solve the problem, but miss major population centres.
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2008, 11:43 PM
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which makes sense given the % in those areas.
Uh no we had this convo already. LM has 57% of the pop for the province.

Anyways whatever, I like skytrain and I think it is great they are doing all this. I just wish that we got 10% of the infrastructure money that Vancouver got.

Its just jealousy. I guess I can always run over to Vancouver and bounce around the RT stations lifting wallets or something
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Anyone thing they should install a "wye" east of King George Station to allow a future Skytrain extension to the south to Surrey Memorial and down King George Highway (as well as down Fraser Highway)?

Also noticed there's a hydro ROW that runs parallel to 96th Ave. just to the south.

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BTW - I am surpised the announcement did not include a commuter rail DMU along the Southern Railway (interurban) line from Cloverdale to Sott Road.
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Aaybe have one at King George, and one further east; At or just past Guilford and create a massive loop that goes all through Surrey
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I agree. They're going to have to bury the line along that section, depending on the route, of course.



I thought we also knew about the Victoria Rapidbus project.
hopefully, it's the 10th Avenue route.


Yea, we knew about the Victoria Rapid Bus as well.
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Anyone thing they should install a "wye" east of King George Station to allow a future Skytrain extension to the south to Surrey Memorial and down King George Highway (as well as down Fraser Highway)?

Also noticed there's a hydro ROW that runs parallel to 96th Ave. just to the south.

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BTW - I am surpised the announcement did not include a commuter rail DMU along the Southern Railway (interurban) line from Cloverdale to Sott Road.
I'm very surprised they didn't talk about the South of Fraser Express... It seems to me TransLink and the Province of BC still has very "different" commitments in terms of transportation for the region. But I guess that would change pretty soon...

Anyway I thought this entire "Provincal Transit Plan" is just a package that puts each transit initiative together, which is why there was such a big hype regarding the announcement. Like Mr. X said, a lot of this was already in the works. I'm not totally impressed, but it's nice to see the province backing this up.

With regards the "wye" officedweller was talking about. I'm not sure what it is but i'm guessing it's a switch for trains so there can be future alignment towards Newton. I hope they would do this, but TransLink in their South of Fraser plans has wanted it to be a the King George B-Line, then change to LRT.... So I'm not too sure if they would install to allow future extension of the SkyTrain in that direction. I sure hope they would though.

I would have liked to see the Highway 7 "RapidBus BC" to be extended to Langley Centre, which was "my plan of the region" That way, you can give choices for commuters from Langley. Those taking to Downtown Vancouver can choose to take the Hwy 7 RapidBus, then transfer to West Coast express or take the Fraser Hwy RapidBus and transfer on SkyTrain. Those taking to Burnaby or Tri Cities can take the Hwy 7 RapidBus all the way, or transfer to the Hwy 1 RapidBus. It gives commuters more choices and creates an actual transit hub at the future 200st Park and Ride. But I guess, one might argue that there is not enough demand for transit between 200st and Langley.

I don't know if many of you have noticed... but it seems that the 95 B-Line doesn't actually get to SFU. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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here's all of the important points:


Investing for the Future – a $14 Billion Action Plan

The Government of British Columbia is investing in innovative transit options for the benefit of all British Columbians now and into the future. By 2020, the plan calls for the provincial government and its federal and local government partners to commit $14 billion to significantly expand transit in communities across the province and to double transit ridership.

Successful implementation of the Provincial Transit Plan requires the cooperation and commitment of our partners. Of the $11.1 billion in new funding, the Province is committing up to $4.75 billion and is calling on the federal government for $3.1 billion, TransLink for $2.75 billion and local governments for $500 million along with supportive land use decisions.

For Metro Vancouver, the transit market share is about 12 per cent during weekdays. The Provincial Transit Plan will result in increasing transit market share by five per cent to a total of 17 per cent by 2020. By 2030, transit market share is expected to increase by an additional five per cent as people get out of their cars and onto the expanded transit network. In the Victoria Regional Transit System, the present transit market share is about seven per cent. The Provincial Transit Plan is aimed at increasing transit market share
by 2.5 per cent by 2020, bringing the total market share to 9.5 per cent. By 2030, market share is expected to grow by an additional 2.5 per cent to 12 per cent in the region.




SECURITY:

- Installing electronic gates and closed-circuit cameras at rapid transit stations

- Launching a smart-card system for rapid transit and buses that users can reload at vending machines or on the Internet

- Taking action against people who do not pay fares with on-the-spot fines and other measures

- Increasing security personnel in and around rapid transit stations



SKYTRAIN EXPANSION:

- $2 billion to construct the new, 19 kilometre Canada Line from downtown Vancouver to Vancouver International Airport in Richmond by end of 2009

- $1.4 billion to build the 11 kilometre Evergreen Line by 2014, connecting Coquitlam Centre to the Lougheed Town Centre Station

- $2.8 billion to build a new, 12 kilometre line from Broadway Station to University of British Columbia by 2020

- $3.1 billion to double capacity on the existing Expo Line, including major improvements to stations starting in 2009 and a 6 kilometre extension in Surrey by 2020. Improvements will include lengthening platforms to handle 6 car trains, additional storage track, upgrades to the control system, vehicle storage depots, maintenance facilities and adjacent transit exchanges.

- $1 billion for additional SkyTrain cars





RAPID BUS:

The Provincial Transit Plan calls for $1.2 billion to be invested in RapidBus BC by 2020. RapidBus BC will be available along nine lines in British Columbia:

- From Westbank to the University of British Columbia Okanagan in the central Okanagan

- From Douglas Street in downtown Victoria to Langford on the West Shore

- Highway 1, connecting Lougheed Station to exchanges in Surrey and Langley across the Port Mann Bridge

- Hastings Street from downtown Vancouver to Simon Fraser University

- 41st Avenue from the Canada Line to the University of British Columbia

- Highway 99 from White Rock to the Canada Line in Richmond

- King George Highway from Surrey Centre south to White Rock

- Fraser Highway, connecting Langley to the Expo Line in Surrey

- Highway 7 from the Evergreen Line in Coquitlam across the new Golden Ears Bridge







As the core of the transit system in communities like Kelowna, Victoria and Metro Vancouver, RapidBus BC offers:
- Frequent, reliable service at regularly spaced intervals
- Express service with few or no stops between main stations
- Priority movement in traffic through dedicated lanes, in some cases bypassing congested intersections
- Pre-paid fare collection to minimize boarding delays
- Integrated fare systems, allowing free or discounted transfers between routes and transit modes
- Easy-to-understand route and schedule information
- Modern, efficient, high capacity vehicles, which are easy to board, quiet, clean and comfortable to ride
- Contemporary, conveniently located bus stations with nearby amenities
- Seamless integration with other transit options and coordination with cycling and walking infrastructure
- Separate lanes on all or some parts of routes
- Use of High Occupancy Vehicle lanes
- Signal priority and queue jumping provisions
- Effective security measures



EXPANDED BUS FLEET

The Provincial Transit Plan will significantly increase the provincial bus fleet to improve service in many communities around the province. By investing $1.6 billion in 1,500 new, clean energy buses and related maintenance infrastructure, and increasing the hours of service, transit riders will have
access to more buses, more often
. The new buses will be selected to meet the specific needs of communities in cost-effective, energy efficient ways.

Clean technologies include:
■ Hydrogen
■ Hybrid
■ Electric
■ Natural Gas
■ Low emissions diesel

In addition to conventional buses, the new fleet will be made up of a variety of bus types customized to meet the needs of individual communities and users. Options include:

■ Community shuttles – smaller, quieter vehicles that minimize impacts on neighbourhoods
■ Custom transit – specialized vans and minibuses for dial-a-ride, door-to-door handyDART service, and taxi programs to serve mobility challenged transit users and others who cannot access conventional transit
■ Para-transit – mini-buses, taxis and vans offering flexible routes and schedules
■ Articulated and double-decker buses – high capacity buses to serve passengers on routes where demand is heavy
■ Conventional buses – the mainstay of the fleet
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i just watched global national on the internet.... no mention of this story whatsoever.... hah
it's been on the front of globeandmail.com all day though
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Like Mr. X said, a lot of this was already in the works. I'm not totally impressed, but it's nice to see the province backing this up.

I don't know if many of you have noticed... but it seems that the 95 B-Line doesn't actually get to SFU. Correct me if I'm wrong.
i think one big thing they are missing is the West Coast Express....it has a lot of potential, but it needs funding to expand its operations and its infrastructure.

with regards to the 95, it does go to SFU directly.
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i think one big thing they are missing is the West Coast Express....it has a lot of potential, but it needs funding to expand its operations and its infrastructure.

with regards to the 95, it does go to SFU directly.
I thought so... it's just the maps aren't really accurate. You can see that it doesn't go to the university campus area itself, rather turning at Gaglardi and Curtis.
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i just watched global national on the internet.... no mention of this story whatsoever.... hah
it's been on the front of globeandmail.com all day though
well, it's on the front pages of msn.ca, ctv.ca, cbc.ca, reuters canada, and google news canada.
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With regards the "wye" officedweller was talking about. I'm not sure what it is but i'm guessing it's a switch for trains so there can be future alignment towards Newton. I hope they would do this, but TransLink in their South of Fraser plans has wanted it to be a the King George B-Line, then change to LRT.... So I'm not too sure if they would install to allow future extension of the SkyTrain in that direction. I sure hope they would though.
Yeah, that's what I meant - for my wish list.

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i think one big thing they are missing is the West Coast Express....it has a lot of potential, but it needs funding to expand its operations and its infrastructure.
Yeah, crossing the rail bridge to Abbotsford...
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well, it's on the front pages of msn.ca, ctv.ca, cbc.ca, reuters canada, and google news canada.
yea i've noticed as well. i just found the global national omission pretty embarrassing
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Kevin Falcon just said in an phone interview on CKNW that the Millennium UBC route will be:
- Very probably Skytrain,
- Bored Tunnel,
- Under Broadway,
and
- will begin very very soon, almost immediately to benefit from the tunelling synergies of the Canada Line (read: use the same tunnel boring machine)

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yea i've noticed as well. i just found the global national omission pretty embarrassing
well i guess so, especially since they're based right next to a SkyTrain station in Burnaby.
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View Global TV News Hour Report:
http://canwest.a.mms.mavenapps.net/mms/r...ect=dda46094-b0e9-426d-8b3c-e52b1ec610cc

There is still speculation over the technology in the Evergreen Line. It's also nice to see Watt's response with regards to this "package" (they call plan)
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Kevin Falcon just said in an phone interview on CKNW that the Millennium UBC route will be:
- Very probably Skytrain,
- Bored Tunnel,
- Under Broadway,
and
- will begin very very soon, almost immediately to benefit from the tunelling synergies of the Canada Line (read: use the same tunnel boring machine)

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Possibly 2009??? Afterall, Sweet Leilani would have finished its job with the Canada Line sometime this spring.

If it's bored throughout the entire route, wouldn't they need two machines to do the job? One tunnel machine to do both 12-km tunnels is quite a bit much, and time consuming.


With regards to the Canada Line, when i first saw that it was part of this "package", i was hoping that they were planning to extend the station platform lengths and even double track it in sections at Richmond/YVR.

Basically, this whole $14 billion thing is a bunch of projects that are simply repackaged.
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Kevin Falcon just said in an phone interview on CKNW that the Millennium UBC route will be:
- Very probably Skytrain,
- Bored Tunnel,
- Under Broadway,
and
- will begin very very soon, almost immediately to benefit from the tunelling synergies of the Canada Line (read: use the same tunnel boring machine)!
I can just picture Minister Falcon decked out in hard hat and high-vis vest marching through the mud to the tunnel boring operation at the Olympic Village station and shouting through a microphone "when you're done with that we've got some more work for you!"

I'm pretty thrilled today. Yes, a lot of what was announced was already in the pipeline but there is now, officially, a pipeline to speak of. I am wary of putting so much on the front burner for an untested new Translink governance structure but I think that it speaks volumes to the political acumen of the Campbell administration that the entire document doesn't mention Olympics even once. This is about building our future as a sustainable urban place and you cannot create the kind of cohesive urban fabric that we will need to thrive in the next century without significant, colossal investment in fixed, high capacity rapid transit infrastructure.

All that is keeping me from bouncing off the ceiling is the lack of streetcar infrastructure from this 12-year vision. Add that and you would need to scrape me off the roof.
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Kevin Falcon just said in an phone interview on CKNW that the Millennium UBC route will be:
- Very probably Skytrain,
- Bored Tunnel,
- Under Broadway,
and
- will begin very very soon, almost immediately to benefit from the tunelling synergies of the Canada Line (read: use the same tunnel boring machine)

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Awesome! Well, if it's true. I hope the poor tunnel workers want to stick around with all the shit the unions put them through. Are they still talking about tunneling down Broadway? I would have almost guaranteed that 10th Avenue would be the preferred route.
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