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Old Posted Nov 21, 2007, 3:48 AM
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I think he's talking about the rendering included in the first post of this thread, JP.
I think those towers (judging by location) are just stylized versions of the Westin and DND. Too bad they don't look like that.
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[QUOTE][when a road gets too congested in Holland, they narrow it by a lane (instead of widening it as we usually do here). /QUOTE]

Odd. I guess it makes sense if there is an alternate route (bus etc) going in the same direction. There's nothing like it in Ottawa'a case.

Are you absolutely positive that they actually GET RID of a lane in Holland? Because I've read that in Britain and France they're coping with congestion by adding an extra lane "on the cheap" by narrowing the existing lanes.
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Odd. I guess it makes sense if there is an alternate route (bus etc) going in the same direction. There's nothing like it in Ottawa'a case.

Are you absolutely positive that they actually GET RID of a lane in Holland? Because I've read that in Britain and France they're coping with congestion by adding an extra lane "on the cheap" by narrowing the existing lanes.
Yes, you're right, there has to be an equivalent investment in transit to avoid making things unbearable. We have a good trunk BRT but the rest of our regular routes could use higher frequencies. That's the Ottawa equivalent we'd need.

As for France and Britain, depends where. Most french cities have put in tram lines on congested corridors. The most recent example is the Parisian tram line on the Boulevard des Maréchaux. There are now 4 tram lines in Paris with plans for line extensions and new lines.

Adding lanes "on the cheap" can give you more capacity but will result in lower speeds. Your lateral comfort zone is smaller so you don't take as many chances. Also it's harder and takes longer to perform multiple lane changes when you need to turn.

The most extreme example I've seen of "adding lanes on the cheap" were in Cairo, Egypt. It's really interesting, their major arteries have no lane markings on them at all. Cars behave as pedestrians, they just go where there is space, everything moves at about 20 km/h, there are very few signalized intersections and a lot of roundabouts, so things keep flowing, and everyone uses the horn all the time because cars have squeezed out as many lanes as traffic demands depending on the time of day and you have very little space between moving cars. Plus, every other car is a dented Fiat 1500 from about 1960.
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Since most of my family lives in the fair city of Krakow, Poland, I also tend to follow that town's Skyscraper Page.

Most recently Krakow held a competition for a brand new congress centre. The winner, along with 2 runners up were announced last week.

I thought you might be interested in checking out the 3 top designs. They just have so much more panache than the glass thingy they're proposing here in Ottawa.

Check out the link: http://www.ronet.pl/konkurs_Centrum-Kongresowe-w-Krakowie_147.html

The website is in Polish but it's fairly self explanatory. Just click on the image of each winning design and then scroll down to see the rest of the images/renderings of each proposal.

The 1st proposal is the grand winner.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2007, 8:39 PM
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Since most of my family lives in the fair city of Krakow, Poland, I also tend to follow that town's Skyscraper Page.

Most recently Krakow held a competition for a brand new congress centre. The winner, along with 2 runners up were announced last week.

I thought you might be interested in checking out the 3 top designs. They just have so much more panache than the glass thingy they're proposing here in Ottawa.

Check out the link: http://www.ronet.pl/konkurs_Centrum-Kongresowe-w-Krakowie_147.html

The website is in Polish but it's fairly self explanatory. Just click on the image of each winning design and then scroll down to see the rest of the images/renderings of each proposal.

The 1st proposal is the grand winner.
Thanks for posting this. I can see why the grand winner won the competition, the design really seduces me. The third one looks like an airport right out of the 1960's and the second one looks "the most likely to be a Canadian project" (pardon the sarcasm). I really like the winning design for its flow and transparentness, and for its curves (another attribute I tend to appreciate, when I look at buildings, among others).
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Interesting that you should make these comparisons. Actually, the THIRD prize reminds me a lot of the new Vancouver Conference Centre expansion currently underway:

http://www.vccep.bc.ca/theproject/renderings.html

Some data about the new Krakow Centre: the main hall will fit up to 2100 people. The other three halls will fit up to 1800, 600, and 300 people. Furthermore, the main hall can double as a concert hall. There will also be a complex of halls that can be made larger or smaller as needed. Total area: 464,400 m2.

I'm not sure how this compares with Ottawa's new centre. Krakow, by the way, has approximately 1 million inhabitants. I really like the organic look and flow of the winning design. It's certainly eye catching!
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muncipal funding has been approved....vote is 22-2
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^ Good news
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Maby they can build a new hotel near the congress center!

The current delta is UGLY!
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The current delta is UGLY!
I think you mean the Westin.
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^ Good news
Yes, two good news from Council today. This and the concert hall.
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Unfortunately we'll have to live with the Westin. The building itself is bad, but its made worse by those huge red letters at the top, illuminated at night and completely out of character with its surroundings.
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Could you imagine we pull off the Congress Centre, Concert Hall, and Portrait Gallery next year? How sweet would that be??
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I think you mean the Westin.
No I mean Delta.


Has anyone had wind of this?
(PS: I am talking about the ninth award)

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No I mean Delta.
Except the hotel closest to the Congress Centre is the Westin...
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No I mean Delta.


Has anyone had wind of this?
(PS: I am talking about the ninth award)

That's a fourth-year project by my fellow students from Carleton University's School of Architecture. Actually, awards 9, 10, 11 are all by Carleton students. My project this semester is to replace the BMO at Sparks & O'Connor with an office-conference centre.
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Except the hotel closest to the Congress Centre is the Westin...
Yes, But the current Delta on Qween street is ugly.
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That's a fourth-year project by my fellow students from Carleton University's School of Architecture. Actually, awards 9, 10, 11 are all by Carleton students. My project this semester is to replace the BMO at Sparks & O'Connor with an office-conference centre.
So it isn't a proposal?

And I don't get nuber 11...

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So it isn't a proposal?

And I don't get nuber 11...

They are all student projects, so no, not proposals.

I actually find 11 quite interesting as it seems to be proposing a way of bridging two communities with a space comfortable for pedestrians. Tunnels and bridges aren't overly friendly spaces for people, so mitigating their presence is ideal.
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Have you done any other projects before?

(Do you have images?)

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