CHICAGO | Boom rundown - everything over 12 floors. v5

[Mr Downtown]

Originally Posted by aaron38

Some of the highest price points in the city are in towers like Trump and Waterview, where the high-end buyers will be living over full hotels and spas and restaurants. Many towers make a specific point to mention all the amenities in the building.

They can sell the idea of living over a full-service grand hotel, with spas and room service. But not over ordinary retail. Why is Central Station trying to get a "Tavern on the Green" built in Grant Park instead of just putting it a destination restaurant in one of their own Roosevelt Road towers? Those will have no retail except maybe a dry cleaners or a little coffee shop somewhere. Putting aside 535 Michigan, 777 Michigan, and 111 Pearson, which have side street entries for the residential, name three high-end residential towers with ground-floor retail.

[aaron38]

^^^Well I guess I just don't think like a high-end buyer. Because if I was buying in Central Station, I'd want the restaurant on the ground floor of my building, not across Roosevelt Rd.

[ardecila]

Updated renderings for several Fifield projects:

601 West Monroe


625 West Monroe




Allure (now called 353 North Des Plaines)



You can see the side of one of the new towers as well.

[honte]

^ Maybe he got hit for false advertising with the word "Allure" and had to change it.

The park looks interesting though, if it's anything like that.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown

They can sell the idea of living over a full-service grand hotel, with spas and room service. But not over ordinary retail. Why is Central Station trying to get a "Tavern on the Green" built in Grant Park instead of just putting it a destination restaurant in one of their own Roosevelt Road towers? Those will have no retail except maybe a dry cleaners or a little coffee shop somewhere. Putting aside 535 Michigan, 777 Michigan, and 111 Pearson, which have side street entries for the residential, name three high-end residential towers with ground-floor retail.

Actually, the 2 highrises planned along Roosevelt west of OMP and OMPW are supposed to have ground-level retail.

Regarding your bolded question, I'm too lazy to try to answer that. You win.

[Dan in Chicago]

A few more updates for the p.1 rundown list:

Evanston heights:

Howard Street Station Apartments - 181'-0" (roof: 177'-6")
Winthrop Club - 167'-0" (increased from 155') (roof: 166'-0")

Miscellaneous house-cleaning:

The Granville can be removed from the list; it will only have 11 floors, making it a low-rise.

The two towers at 108 N. State can be consolidated. Emporis is listing it as "108 North State Condominiums" until any reliable update comes along. This is now the only u.c. high-rise in Chicago without a known height, although there we still need to check a few blueprints, and there are still u.c. high-rises in Naperville and Oak Park without any heights.

[i_am_hydrogen]

Great work as always, Dan. Thanks for the updates.

[Nowhereman1280]

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown

name three high-end residential towers with ground-floor retail.

Water Tower Place, Hancock Center, Trump Tower, 50 E. Chestnut, Waterview (to some extent), One Magnificent Mile, Park Tower, etc... That's just Chicago, New York has an ass-ton more...

I do agree that many high-end residential towers have no retail, but I don't think that is because people don't like living on top of it, but rather because high-end residential is more often than not located in places that are less than optimal for retail use. When it is located in a good retail location, it usually does have retail a la Trump, unless it is an excessively small site.

[harryc]

Shot these from the evil arches ( incredible example of structural glass btw ).

[ click on image for full size ]

[JTChi01]

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown

They can sell the idea of living over a full-service grand hotel, with spas and room service. But not over ordinary retail. Why is Central Station trying to get a "Tavern on the Green" built in Grant Park instead of just putting it a destination restaurant in one of their own Roosevelt Road towers? Those will have no retail except maybe a dry cleaners or a little coffee shop somewhere. Putting aside 535 Michigan, 777 Michigan, and 111 Pearson, which have side street entries for the residential, name three high-end residential towers with ground-floor retail.

That is easy: The Pinnacle, The Fordham, and the Bernardin. In fact I'll name another -- MOMO. There are several more, just take another look at the city.

[a chicago bearcat]

Originally Posted by JTChi01

That is easy: The Pinnacle, The Fordham, and the Bernardin. In fact I'll name another -- MOMO. There are several more, just take another look at the city.

none are high end when it comes to downtown living

high end would be where the average cost per square foot of every unit is in the range of waterview or higher

waterview is going to have too much of it's floorplate eaten up by garage ramps and lobbies to have anything substantial like a restaurant on the ground floor, trump will have the possibility of restaurants on the river walk part, but that is not the "ground level", and chicago spire obviously won't have groundfloor retail as well, so the highest of high end don't seem to have restaurants in their ground floors, but have many in the ground floor already

as for central station, no one's really ground breaking or innovative over there any way, so you get what you plan for

[harryc]

Pouring floor [ for large photo click image ]

Jan 02 - rebar ready


Jan 03




Leave no tracks

Covering your tracks



Closeup of Voltex

[Busy Bee]

Momo?

Loehmann's is a discount high fashion store out of the Bronx. It's no Henri Bendel.

[Busy Bee]

* moderator edit *

busy bee, please discuss parking podium issues in the parking podium thread in the buildings & architecture sub-forum.

- steely

[ardecila]

Originally Posted by honte

^ Maybe he got hit for false advertising with the word "Allure" and had to change it.

The park looks interesting though, if it's anything like that.

Ironically, Fifield has another "Allure" in Vegas that has kept the name, although it has even less than the Chicago project.

[Nowhereman1280]

Originally Posted by 10023

I thought Water Tower Place was hotel and office? Also, Hancock Center is not really a high-end building and these are virtually all along the Mag Mile. Not a single one of the concrete towers recently built in River North or Streeterville is a high-end building.

Generally speaking, he's right - the vast, vast majority of high-end residential buildings do not have ground floor retail. Chicago's biggest problem is that they tend to be on parking podiums as well, which makes ground floor retail the least of one's worries as a resident. In New York, high-end buildings are overwhelmingly those with no ground floor retail and no above ground parking.

Look at the buildings along East Lake Shore Drive or the Inner Drive between Oak and North Avenue. Look at buildings in the Gold Coast proper along Astor, etc. There are high-end buildings, and none have ground floor retail.

No, Water Tower Place contains some very expensive condos. Oprah actually owns the penthouse which she paid ~6 million for...

I'm not arguing that most residential building have retail, I am arguing that the ones in places that actually have a demand for retail have retail. No one wants to shop along LSD, who would want to set up shop on a street that faces a small-scale freeway?

By the way, despite the fact that none of the shitty concrete towers are "high-end" in your opinion, the majority of them have a lot of retail. Even the Fordham and Grand Plaza have retail...

The point is that by your definition the only "high-end" residential in Chicago is along the Michigan Corridor or along LSD. LSD is not conducive to retail due to the void of the park and freeway. The buildings along Michigan that you consider "high end" all have retail. I mean look at Trump, its going to have like 180k sq feet. Water Tower Place is on top of a freaking mall, yet one of the richest women in the world lives there...

The statement "people who want to buy a high-end condo don't want retail at the base" is just dead wrong.

[i_am_hydrogen]

Taken today:

600 North LSD


AMLI 900

[jcchii]

clare at water tower now visible from lake street L and a few spots west

[Urban Sky]

Originally Posted by i_am_hydrogen

Taken today:

600 North LSD

i like this photo for some reason. nice.

[Steely Dan]

if people continue to discuss the parking situation in downtown chicago in this thread, i'm going to have to start deleting posts. i created a parking podium thread in the buildings & architecture subforum where the parking situation can be discussed to your heart's content. go use it.