Banning drive-thrus

[fastcarsfreedom]

Wrong again DC83. If you took the time to read my posts THROUGHOUT the Forum, you would see that I am only here to express my opinion--sure there are times that I disagree--often it seems I am the only dissenter. If I see a post I disagree with--you can be darn sure I'm going to say my piece. Your desire to make me and my opinions go away speaks volumes about the strength and validity of the arguments you make. I suppose it's unfortunate for you when someone comes along with differing opinions and interupts you while you're busy patting each other on the back.

The Second Cup in Westdale--which I think is in a great spot--went into an existing building--in fact, it was a hardware store when I was a lad. How does that differ from King & Hughson?

As for Joyce--he expresses regret about selling the chain in his autobiography--which is an excellent read. His concerns mostly surround PR issues and the decision to go with par-baked goods across the board in lieu of keeping at least some products baked in-store. He has some fairly unsavory things to say about Wendys as an organization and about the late Dave Thomas who he paints as an oddly insecure and passive agressive man. Nonetheless, drive-thrus and standardized store designs were all established under Joyce--in fact, the stores have had various standardized designs since the 1970s.

[realcity]

Originally Posted by fastcarsfreedom

realcity--that post is just plain bizarre.

Do you not think the King & Hughson Tim Horton's blends just as nicely as the Second Cup in Westdale?

Second Cup, Williams and Starbucks are all busy building suburban stores with Drive Thrus, mostly predicated on the success Tim Hortons has had with the format.

Debit machines cause transaction times to double--and you're worried about the lineups now? The card they've recently launched takes the place of debit.

Also, if you were to sit down and read some corporate history you would understand that Oakville was chosen because it was midway between the homes of Ron Joyce (Burlington) and Tim Horton (Don Mills).

Dirty washrooms and rude staff are in issue the local franchise operator ought to deal with--again, if you hate the place so much, why are you in there long enough to notice?

One or two examples of a blended-in Tim Hortons does not qualify the zillion other generic brown boxes. EXAMPLE: CONCESSION STREET

I didn't say Starbucks didn't do the same, but they do make better attempts. In fact, I know that Westcliff Mall (Upper Paradise and Mohawk) was trying to get a Tim Hortons and when they determined that a drive thru wasn't possible they abandoned the location. This location happens to be probably the biggest area void of any Tims and they don't care. No drive thru, No store. And they are no fans of malls, they want a pad site for their brown shitbox.

Debit machines double transaction times? I assume you have the research to verify that. Digging around for pennies takes time too. The truth is Moneris charges per transaction, Tims makes a zillion $2 transactions a day, they don't want to pay the fees and will hold out for as long as possible. McDonalds was in a similar position and boycotted Interac for the longest time. Today the transaction times at a McDonalds are similar to pre-interac days.

Who cares if Oakville is halfway? It still doesn't change the fact they have no office space at all in Hamilton.

[raisethehammer]

speaking of the Second Cup in Westdale, I've only been back once since the reno. Brutal. Feels like Upper James now.
My wife and I used to go there regularly...they botched up the interior with that corporate, shiny, trashy reno and we've stopped going now. Don't miss it at all, as we've found other great cafes in town with a comfy vibe to chill in.