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Old Posted Dec 17, 2007, 3:30 AM
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not many units left for sale, looks like this building largely avoided the housing slump.

every weekend, more and more balconies are littered with items as the building must be decently along with move ins.

This building doesn't mesh well with the current Pearl, but with the Encore and the last build outs, it should fit in better.

I personally love this building, the colors and materials and such. Looks great
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Looks like you're going to get ugly architecture and Auto traffic.
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almost looks like a jail...
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Seems like everyone is trying to capitalize off the success of the pearl by building cheap on the edges.

I wonder what a project like this does to the Pearl's LEED Neighborhood status. Or is that just HSP land?

PS Upon further consideration, I've decided that a good description of this design might be "Holst on acid".

Sometimes, less is less

POSTED: 10:43 AM PST Wednesday, December 12, 2007
BY ALISON RYAN

Asking about sustainable features isn't something Portland's design commissioners are required to do -- but it's something they usually do, and last week they got an answer they rarely hear.

The apartment building Myhre Group Architects is designing over in the Pearl District for Alliance Residential is just an apartment building, architect Jeff Myhre told the commission last Thursday. No sustainable features to crow about.

OK, commissioners said, but that probably isn't going to fly so well in a city where tenants, more and more, have a built-in ethic of sustainability. Especially people who can pay more to live greener.

It's all the more interesting because Alliance Residential is one of the biggest apartment developers in the United States.
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That is the most god-awful piece of shit I've ever seen.
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1315 NW Overton

From the pre application agenda...

Proposal:
The applicant is requesting Design Review approval for a warehouse renovation, which will include a new façade along the NW 14th and Overton Street frontages. The current use of the structure is a recycling plant, the proposed new use will be retail commercial. No alteration is proposed to the footprint or height of the building. A mezzanine will be added to the interior for
mechanical and circulation needs. Concurrent with the proposal will be new sidewalk treatment along the perimeter of the site to meet PDOT River District Right of Way standards.
The applicant proposes a new glass base to cornice storefront walls, new metal roofing, corneroriented retail entrance, and full seismic upgrade. The color proposed for all window frames and storefront frames is silver anodized finish. All glass is proposed to be clear low e-glass. Structural bays at each end of each façade will be polished face concrete masonry units. Because the proposal is for new development in a design overlay zone, Design Review is required.

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Property owners in this area, other then homer, are totally under building. These low rise fixers and crappy office park structures are going to push back the build out of this area for years. The area needs density to make it a fully functional neighborhood. The fast cash crowd strike again, holding back the cities growth. Its so bizarre when you take a look at many other growing cities where developers push to increase density as the city matures.
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Old Town projects have two goals
Development - Plans try to wed middle-income housing and a big retailer along with a day center for the homeless
Monday, December 17, 2007
ANDY DWORKIN
The Oregonian

Homelessness and seaweed sushi-wrappers are seldom linked. But the two are mentioned in discussions about how to develop two parts of Portland's Old Town Chinatown neighborhood.

One discussion is where the city will put a day center where homeless people, barred from shelters during the day, could rest and access services.

City Commissioner Erik Sten said that project will move ahead on city-owned Block 25, southwest of where Southwest Third Avenue and Glisan Street cross what's often called the "Dirty Duck" block after a bar located there.

Some local businesses and neighbors worry the day center might hinder neighborhood development.

The other discussion focuses on developing middle-income housing and space for a major retailer, such as the Asian grocer Uwajimaya, between Southwest Fourth and Fifth avenues around Couch Street.

That could further the development momentum brought on by several major projects already in the gritty neighborhood, including a University of Oregon building and Mercy Corps headquarters.

The chain connecting the two ideas, in some minds, is the aging Grove Hotel, a low-rent place at 421 W. Burnside that the Housing Authority of Portland recently bought for $2 million.

The Grove occupies all of the valuable Burnside frontage of its block. The rest of that block, and the block to the north, is owned by businessman David Gold's Goldsmith Properties.

Gold and his developer, Doug Obletz, would love to get the Grove land and develop both full blocks with housing and a big retailer. Sten says that's possible, if the city can replace the Grove's units with low-income housing elsewhere.

One candidate: Put that housing on top of a day-access center. That's far from a done deal, and development near the Grove isn't necessarily linked to the access center.

Sten noted that the Housing Authority could continue running the Grove as-is. Or the city could try to move those units somewhere outside of Old Town.

But the Grove and access center are linked by more than the Gold-Obletz development. The Old Town Chinatown Visions Committee, a group of businesses, residents and service agencies, expressly connected the two at a meeting last week, where many committee members raised worries about the city's plans for Block 25.

Portland leaders have always insisted that the access center be in Old Town, home to many of the city's homeless and the agencies that serve them. The city considered three sites: Block 25, a block called the A&N Block near the Steel Bridge and land owned by the Goodman family along Northwest Fourth between Hoyt and Glisan streets.

But the city couldn't agree on a price with the Goodmans, Sten said. And service providers worried that the A&N Block, near railroad tracks, was unsafe and too small.

Some neighborhood residents complained that the city's choice of Block 25 was a surprise, made without enough consultation. Others worried that the city would dramatically increase the amount of very low-income housing at Block 25 and the Grove.

Gold said he and others in the neighborhood have agreed that there should be no reduction in the number of low-income units in the neighborhood. But they don't want a big increase, either.

"We're willing to live with what we've got. We don't want to close anybody down," Gold said. But "don't bring us any more until the other areas (of Portland) do their fair share."

The city, Housing Authority and Transition Projects -- the nonprofit that would run the day-access center -- have agreed to pause their planning until Jan. 9. Sten will meet with the Visions committee that day to explain the city's block selection.

The city also will involve the neighborhood in plans for developing that block, including discussions about the type of housing there, said Heather Lyons, who works on homelessness for Portland's Bureau of Housing and Community Development. "I think that people are mostly concerned about the process. And they want to have a say in the housing, and they don't want more low-income housing than the area can bear," Lyons said.

A new development could solve some neighborhood concerns, said Brian Ferschweiler, executive director of Blanchet House, a nonprofit that serves meals to the homeless and houses 28 men on Block 25.

Some neighbors complain about the lines that form to get into the house's dining area, which feeds about 700 a day but seats only 41 at a time. The city's plan would expand Blanchet House's 50-by-50-foot space into a quarter-block, doubling the dining space and letting people wait inside, sheltered from weather. The access center would occupy at least half the block, Sten said, with the remaining quarter-block going to the center or becoming housing.

Obletz and Gold, meanwhile, are moving ahead with plans for some sort of mixed-use development near the Grove. Obletz's firm, Shiels Obletz Johnson, has developed similar projects, including Museum Place, which mixes a Safeway and middle- and low-income housing.

Obletz has a similar vision for the area north of the Grove. Gold said the city has hoped for an Asian grocer to anchor that area, and Sten said Uwajimaya is likely. But Obletz said it's too soon to discuss specific retailers, especially with the Grove's fate unknown.

Obletz said he's talking with the city and Housing Authority about being able to develop the Grove, which would make the whole project more visible and valuable. He expects it will take at least through 2008 to work out details.

But "I'm very optimistic that there's a win-win opportunity here, with bringing new market-rate housing into Old Town and bringing a major retail client," he said.

Andy Dworkin: 503-221-8564; [email protected]
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Where do i sign the petition to bring uwajimaya?! I'll donate money to see them go in downtown. It would make sense considering the large asian especially japanese, population that goes to psu and for everyone else who loves that store.
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Uwajimaya would be a huge development. It's the missing link to that area. Not sure which block these developers own, but Uwajimaya on the huge parking lot on 4th near couch would be perfect. Close enough to burnside to draw people into old town and filling in the giant wound that screws up both 4th and 5ths retail.
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Where do i sign the petition to bring uwajimaya?!
Ditto!
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Hell yes. As a downtown dweller with no car, and someone who cooks with almost exclusively Asian ingredients, it's a total pain in the ass to trek to the Asian markets on Sandy, 82nd or Beaverton. This would do so well downtown. In cab's words, it's the missing link. Once more, fuck yeah!
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Hopefully only 1 large retailer, Uwa would be awesome - I don't go to the one in Beaverton because its so far away (traffic), and lots of international students would use it who do not have cars and can't drive.

There are probably ~3-4,000 international students who go to PSU who would use it... not to mention the people who live in the Pearl, the eastside of Portland who don't want to go to Beaverton, etc.
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^ much of that is based on speculation, though.

The fact is they are building to meet the market needs and not go bankrupt by providing a glut of space in an unproven area. This dead-end section of NW Portland is like a dark corner nobody knows about; certainly few ever go there.

FAR needs to be increased to allow additional residential density tho, I agree on that point. Hopefully the new Cyan will set a precedent for small unit, low priced flats/condos for mid-market.
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I agree that it might not be the highest and best use for that site, but it might be the right move for the current market. We're probably on our last wave of large-scale development for a couple of years.
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I agree with CAB...all these little infill projects are totally under-developed and hurting central city livability for decades.

The new North Pearl Plan appears to support densities of 9:1 with height limited only by FAR. The transit investments and the survival of vibrant retail and services requires density.

The neighborhood wants spatial and architectural diversity and is working to save the small 'buildings of character' in the pearl. These new little things aren't going to fall into such a lovable category.

The city and neighborhood would be better if these timid developers did nothing and sat on the property until they had the backing to so something larger and more substantial...or until they sell the property.

I don't agree with PDC City-State that we have seen the end of large scale development for some years. Hoyt is moving ahead with Block 17 at 225' and Winkler/Naito are moving ahead with Waterfront Place at 250,000 sf of office and Cent. Mills will probaby move ahead. Hoyt still has 3 million sf of future development in their masterplan and I don't see them stopping until it's done.
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i agree with pdx city state. the market is in the dumps, and it's no surprise developers are being timid. i'm surprised anything is moving ahead at all. maybe it's just me, but it seems like the general feeling is that we're in for a long, bad time.
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I don't agree with PDC City-State that we have seen the end of large scale development for some years. Hoyt is moving ahead with Block 17 at 225' and Winkler/Naito are moving ahead with Waterfront Place at 250,000 sf of office and Cent. Mills will probaby move ahead. Hoyt still has 3 million sf of future development in their masterplan and I don't see them stopping until it's done.
But what is Block 17 going to be? If it's condos, they won't sell. Only several of the Encore have sold thus far. And there are 1000 apartment units already going up in that area. It's getting overbuilt pretty quickly.
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Who knows what it will be. It could contain some interesting retail and add vibrancy to the area.
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Block 17 is mixed use...plenty of new condo units, retail and quite a few live-work units not unlike the north side of Street Car Lofts.

There are plenty of condo units on the market although Block 17 won't be complete until late 2010...

I think moving ahead with this project is a reflection on the strength of the Pearl District and the Central City. I"m glad at least someone has a positive view.

As so the growing number of under-developed commercial projects in the Pearl District...this is what makes sense to the developers in a risky market although these blocks have had no development for decades...in my opinion better to leave them undeveloped until someone has the commitment to do them right.

There are tons of great sites surrounding the central city for 2-4 story redevelopment that makes sense. I believe that most of this low density development doesn't make sense for the central city.
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