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Healthy 3rd quarter for housing starts in Moncton

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Wow...Fredericton and SJ's CA and CMA is massive compared to Moncton's!? Or am I reading that map wrong?
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'Everybody and his dog would like a casino'
Talk: Rumours swirl around where Moncton might land a casino and convention centre


Denis Losier, president and CEO of Assumption Life, thinks this site in Moncton – the parking lot next to the Delta Beauséjour hotel – would be ideal for any downtown proposed development. This photo was taken from the roof of the Assumption building.

Nathan White
Telegraph-Journal
Published Friday November 23rd, 2007
Appeared on page A1

MONCTON - Looking out the windows of his 18th-floor office atop Moncton's tallest building, Denis Losier might have the best view in town.

The president and CEO of Assumption Life is a major player on the New Brunswick business scene. But as rumours swirl around where Moncton might land a casino and convention centre, Losier is waiting to see who else comes to the table before anteing up.

A pair of documents made public in recent weeks are fuelling speculation about a possible multi-use complex that would include a convention centre and casino in Moncton.

The City of Moncton recently received an exhaustive market feasibility study from PKF Consulting that makes recommendations for building a convention centre. That comes on the heels of the provincial government's Responsible Gaming Policy, which includes a plan to build one central 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 venue to attract tourists.

"With the new 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 policy, everybody and his dog would like to have a casino on their land," says Losier. "I'm kind of sitting back now and watching things develop."

The PKF report refers to coupling entertainment or retail venues with a convention centre, and specifically mentions a "potential gaming facility."

Losier has wanted for years to build a multi-purpose conference facility with underground parking on the Assumption-owned parking lot beside the Delta Beauséjour hotel. His vision would link with major downtown buildings such as the Blue Cross building, city hall, and perhaps a new hotel.

He still believes that location would be the best spot for any downtown commercial development.

"It seems the most interesting place is to park that on our land in the back," says Losier. "We'd be willing to sit down with people entertaining that idea and see what our options are."

Losier would want to be a partner in any such development, not just sell the land, and he's open to including a casino in those discussions. His background as a former Liberal cabinet minister could make him an attractive partner for any group seeking the government's blessing to build the province's lone casino.

"It's got to make sense for us and the promoter. If it's a casino, we'll look at it depending on who's proposing it," he says. "We want some serious offers."

PKF cited Losier's lot as one of two suitable locations for a convention centre. The other is the former Beaver Lumber property on the corner of Assumption Boulevard and Westmorland Street.

Toronto's Verdiroc Development Corp. has already announced its intention to make a proposal for a casino on that property, which would also include a hotel, convention centre, restaurant and performance venue.

However, that area is slightly removed from the heart of downtown, and Losier believes his location would make more sense for the conference business.

"It would be more logical than a piecemeal approach where we have different buildings all over the place," says Losier.

He pointed to a statistic in the PKF study that shows nearly half of meeting planners surveyed require an integrated facility.

"When I go to different places across the country, I want to be able to walk from my hotel room without rubber boots and big coats," says Losier. "If my wife had to walk across the parking lot in her high heels in sleet and snow, I don't think we'd go back."

Two cards have yet to be played in the downtown poker game: the federal government is expected to announce funding for a convention centre, while the province has yet to declare where it will build a new downtown courthouse.

The federal funding is said to be close, as the province nears a deal that could be worth more than $600 million under the Building Canada Fund.

Gisele Regimbal, spokeswoman for the provincial Department of Intergovernmental Affairs, says a deal is "very, very close" and could be announced before Christmas. She said it would be possible to use federal money to fund the convention centre part of any development, regardless of what may be attached to it.

Meanwhile, the province is weighing nine proposals to build the courthouse. However, none of those would combine it with a convention centre, so the courthouse will likely proceed as a stand-alone structure.

While a convention centre is almost certainly ticketed for downtown, a casino could end up elsewhere. An unidentified American group is exploring building an attraction that would include a casino outside the city centre.

Losier says he's spoken to that group, and their vision is "quite impressive."

"It would be more in line with the tourism strategy of attracting not only people to play on one-armed bandits, but to have a full resort type of experience," says Losier. "If you're looking for a destination-area type of resort, you need a lot of space to accommodate the activities you're going to do and downtown is probably not the best place."

However the chips fall, Losier hopes to see a well-thought-out development that brings long-term benefits to the province.

"If we're going to go ahead, let's choose the best option, one that will give us a lot more attraction globally," he said. "If we're going to look at developing a tourism strategy and bringing people here from all over the place, let's make a winning solution the first day."
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Wow...Fredericton and SJ's CA and CMA is massive compared to Moncton's!? Or am I reading that map wrong?
You are reading it right...Saint John and Freddy both have larger CMA/CA boundries by a long shot...

andif you didnt notice Saint Johns city boundry is over twice as large as Moncton city boundry...which is why there is debate over the fact that thier CSD population is still larger than that of Monctons.
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[FONT="Arial"]'Everybody and his dog would like a casino'
Talk: Rumours swirl around where Moncton might land a casino and convention centre


Denis Losier, president and CEO of Assumption Life, thinks this site in Moncton – the parking lot next to the Delta Beauséjour hotel – would be ideal for any downtown proposed development. This photo was taken from the roof of the Assumption building.
Glad to hear Assumption is at least in the picture for the casino...and that is a SWEET picture...hopefully stuff will fill that parking lot in the near future
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City politicians in Ottawa to push for more infrastructure funding

Metro councillors lobby feds for cash
By Kate Wright
Times & Transcript Staff
Published Friday November 23rd, 2007
Appeared on page A11

OTTAWA - Two Metro Moncton city councillors were in Ottawa this week to meet with MPs and councillors from municipalities across the country to address the nation's municipal deficits.


Councillors Kathryn Barnes and Merrill Henderson were taking part in the Federation of Canadian Municipalities (FCM) board meetings this week, where representatives from across the country will lobby MPs to provide more funding for municipal infrastructure projects.

Four Saint John councillors will also be attending. No Fredericton council members were attending, according to Mayor Brad Woodside's office.

The councillors will meet with MPs and ministers as well as participating in national committee meetings to pressure the federal government to commit more funds to help municipalities grow.

Neither Barnes nor Henderson could be reached for comment.

A spokesman with the Federation of Canadian Municipalities said the group will be addressing the massive deficit municipalities across the country face when they have to fund major infrastructure projects on their own, without federal help.

At a FCM meeting of mayors from across the country earlier this fall, the group emphasized that Canada's municipal infrastructure is aging--most of it has reached 80 per cent of its service life--and this now threatens economic growth.

The organization says Canadians face a $60-billion infrastructure deficit while the federal government is awash in cash.

The federal Tories posted a $14-billion surplus this year and have lauded their $33-billion Building Canada fund.






[WOW! I hope we can get a slice of that 33 BILLION DOLLARS! haha jeez]
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Glad to hear Assumption is at least in the picture for the casino...and that is a SWEET picture...hopefully stuff will fill that parking lot in the near future
Yeah really, this is good news. Losier is right when he pointed out the fact the city needs a integrated project and when he said Assumption land is more suitable for a such project. To continue, the fact the federal could share the project with the province as well as the city is a huge new. Morever, we should keep in our mind, Losier is a former Mckenna minister, thats could help to draw Casino downtown. Yeah that photo is awesome


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You are reading it right...Saint John and Freddy both have larger CMA/CA boundries by a long shot...

andif you didnt notice Saint Johns city boundry is over twice as large as Moncton city boundry...which is why there is debate over the fact that thier CSD population is still larger than that of Monctons.
There is nothing wrong with the boundaries IMO, those are all areas from which people commute to and from Saint John every day. I mean what would you cut out? St. Martins? Point Lepreau? the Kingston Peninsula? I don't think so, those are all very much a part of Greater Saint John. If anything, the border should go further up the Kennebecasis River to include more of the valley communites who work in SJ rather than Sussex.

It doesn't matter overall, I'm just saying that I think the boundaries are justified, it's not like they were picked at random without any forethought.
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There is nothing wrong with the boundaries IMO, those are all areas from which people commute to and from Saint John every day. I mean what would you cut out? St. Martins? Point Lepreau? the Kingston Peninsula? I don't think so, those are all very much a part of Greater Saint John. If anything, the border should go further up the Kennebecasis River to include more of the valley communites who work in SJ rather than Sussex.

It doesn't matter overall, I'm just saying that I think the boundaries are justified, it's not like they were picked at random without any forethought.

Oh kwajo, pay him no mind, its only Matt flappin his gums again about unjustified Moncton/Saint John comparisons as usual....
Sad really....
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There is nothing wrong with the boundaries IMO, those are all areas from which people commute to and from Saint John every day. I mean what would you cut out? St. Martins? Point Lepreau? the Kingston Peninsula? I don't think so, those are all very much a part of Greater Saint John. If anything, the border should go further up the Kennebecasis River to include more of the valley communites who work in SJ rather than Sussex.

It doesn't matter overall, I'm just saying that I think the boundaries are justified, it's not like they were picked at random without any forethought.
Well of course they werent picked at random but they are by no means perfect. for example look at the CMA boundry for moncton on the right side (east) of the city...it only goes like a couple miles out from the city border! Im sure there are plenty of commuters to moncton who live further in that direction. The reason Freddys boundry stretches so far north is because they are basing it off the county lines...same with SJs stretching so far east...thats the lines of SJ county. Its just kinda funny to look at...because if someone from another country were to look at this map they would assume Fredericton is the most populous CMA/CA followed by SJ and Moncton the least populated, when in fact it is the complete reverse!
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Oh kwajo, pay him no mind, its only Matt flappin his gums again about unjustified Moncton/Saint John comparisons as usual....
Sad really....
Sorry to offend you Michael but someone asked a simple question...I merely gave my best answer...this is the MONCTON forum you know...Im sure you guys take a jab at moncton every once and awhile over in the SJ forum, which I dont mind...heck theres lots of stuff I hate about Moncton, so fire away dude.
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I still think it's funny that there is so much disagreement over population differences in such small cities. I mean in the grand scheme of things, there are hundreds of cities in the world with populations like Moncton and Saint John, and almost never do you see them argue over who is "bigger" lol

But I guess that's what makes New Brunswick so special
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I still think it's funny that there is so much disagreement over population differences in such small cities. I mean in the grand scheme of things, there are hundreds of cities in the world with populations like Moncton and Saint John, and almost never do you see them argue over who is "bigger" lol

But I guess that's what makes New Brunswick so special
Well, there is this kind of stuff everywhere. At this point, this debate is quite redundant...
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I still think it's funny that there is so much disagreement over population differences in such small cities. I mean in the grand scheme of things, there are hundreds of cities in the world with populations like Moncton and Saint John, and almost never do you see them argue over who is "bigger" lol

But I guess that's what makes New Brunswick so special
haha its so true...we are like two little pebbles fighting over speck of sand in the grander scheme of things...

anyways guys Im off to Moncton for the weekend, so have a good one!
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haha its so true...we are like two little pebbles fighting over speck of sand in the grander scheme of things...

anyways guys Im off to Moncton for the weekend, so have a good one!
You too and good ride as well !
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The first building (retail/condo) is under construction, it will be located neighbour of the new Coop.



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This is all great news. Plus, I really like the look of those buildings planned for Dieppe.

I'm really not interested in the Moncton vs SJ thing. I'd just like to say that if I had produced the map, I would have included the Shediac area in with Moncton. I know and work with a lot of people who commute in. In fact, I new a girl who used to commute in to Moncton from Bayfield, which is almost to the Confederation Bridge. I'd also say Scoudouc should be included, along with Saint Antoine (maybe). However, I'm no statistician...
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Moncton city

Main Projects

:: Under Construction ::

Sobeys/NB Liquor ::
Marriott Hotel/The Keg (137 Rooms) ::
BMW Dealer ::
Mazda Dealer ::
Shoppers Drugs Mart (Retail) ::
Shoppers Drugs Mart (warehouse) ::
Lawton Drugs ::
Uptown Dieppe (Condo/Retail)::
Aquatic Center (Dieppe) ::
Moncton fire Station ::
Mapleton Power Center (375 000 S/F) ::
Hampton Inn (100 rooms) ::
Université de Moncton Stadium (10 000 seats) ::
Groupe Frederic - Dieppe (Warehouse/office) ::
777 Main st (new glass) ::
140 Champlain Street (building facelift) ::

Do not included apartments, single unit as well as industrial projects.

:: 2008 ::

Mapleton Power Center ::
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CN Land (Downtown) ::
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This is all great news. Plus, I really like the look of those buildings planned for Dieppe.

I'm really not interested in the Moncton vs SJ thing. I'd just like to say that if I had produced the map, I would have included the Shediac area in with Moncton. I know and work with a lot of people who commute in. In fact, I new a girl who used to commute in to Moncton from Bayfield, which is almost to the Confederation Bridge. I'd also say Scoudouc should be included, along with Saint Antoine (maybe). However, I'm no statistician...
Yeah I would agree...my mom used tp live in Shediac and she commuted every day to work in Moncton...and all the neighbours in her area did the same...one was a paramedic...I would venture to say far more than 1/2 of the permanent residents of Shediac commute to Moncton to work if not more. Same goes for all those little towns and villages in the area.
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Lots of projects on the go!

and I agree about Uptown Dieppe...really high quality for the city.
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