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Old Posted Nov 20, 2007, 12:39 AM
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LAofAnaheim, thank you ever so much for taking the time to bring us all up to speed on the energy and the construction status of various downtown projects. There is nothing like visuals to remind that our great city is actively progressing. I do indeed, love LA.
     
     
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when did you become such a gloomy gus
I agree Echo Park. LAB, your points are great and valid, but your recent posts have become very depressing and usually makes me frown with LA's progress. Yes, we aren't building like crazy as other world-class cities, but LA is doing a lot. It's not just downtown that's developing, check out the Century, Solair Wilshire, W Hotel, etc... We all understand the detriments of Peak Oil (heck, I want gas prices to go higher so the people in the suburbs/exburbs will re-think their commutes), but we can appreciate what we have and what we're building.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2007, 1:24 AM
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^ The problem humanity will face doesn't rest on LA's shoulders, unfortunately. Having a few towers rise here and there is irrelevant. Peak Oil isn't about driving the millions of people out of the suburbs like smoking ants out of a nest and into a pea-sized downtown relative to the size of the metopolitan area. It's a global issue and LA is not exempt from its dire implications. Any change for a positive outcome is impausible at this time because the problem exists in the consumer-driven culture "sustained" by "debt wealth" (fake wealth, IOW). Not to mention the suburban paradigm that comprises up to 95% of American civilization that promotes massive squandering of resources and the subsequent social/political dysfunction - all in the name of economic growth!

It's not about whether I appreciate what we are building now or not. It's about pointing out realities in the housing market that is now misunderstood and masked by fantasy and blind allegiance to the faulty system that is our economic model.
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That's cool LAB...just please do it in the Peak Oil forum and not here. I don't know about others, but, like I said earlier, I think we're tired of the same old posts by you. Let's talk about construction, progress, delays, anything development related. Yes, oil will be a factor and we all realize it, but your messages are just reiterrating things we all know. You can post the same information in the Harrisburg thread; what your saying is not specifically Los Angeles Downtown Project related.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2007, 1:38 AM
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^ Energy and construction are not mutually exclusive. Construction does not exist in a vacuum outside energy limitations. When citywatch posts an article about towers being cancelled, it is hardly to anyone's best interest on SSP to ignore fundamental, underlying realities associated with the demise of large-scale and expensive real estate ventures. I'm sure people want a realistic outlook on the viability of certain said projects. Discussing construction without including energy is like talking about baking without including flour.
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what your saying is not specifically Los Angeles Downtown Project related.
Especially cuz you live in DT or spend lots of time there, & esp because of your recent set of pics of the hood, your criticism is appropriate. IOW, you're not being hypocritical.

I think many of LAB's most lengthy posts over the past several days have focused on the oil/energy issue, with fewer postings from him that are similar to those he wrote when, for example, he was working & living in DT. I don't mind seeing involved debates here----esp since all of the SSPers who live in LA could hold a party in a phone booth, with room to spare----but I will say that the one thing LAB's recent posts could use a bit more of is something like the following, from danparker's forum at loftla.com:


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danparker276 Post subject: Re: neighborhoodPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:05 am

They started cutting down the trees for that big tower next to city of hope. It looks like they might be starting construction then. The chain link fence was removed too.

Is this just a false alarm? Are things like this doing nothing more than adding even more impatience & exasperation to what already has been caused by news about, for example, LA central's construction barricade? I do recall fridayinla mentioning several wks ago about something possibly going on around that site on Wilshire Blvd in City West.

We're entering a peculiar time in LA (& throughout the US too), in which, on one hand, alot of devlpt will be underway---LA Live hotel, the Medallion, Concerto, conversion projs like the El Dorado, etc----& yet, on the other, fewer & fewer actual groundbreakings will be happening from here on out because of changing economic conditions. Maybe that's why I keep emphasizing the publicized start of work on the Grand Ave proj, supposedly around Dec 1, cuz after that the crystal ball gets very hazy.

The past few yrs have spoiled ppl like me, where so much good news---& the projs that go with it----have kept cropping up every so many wks or months. So it will be extra tough dealing with a time when there is a lot less happening that is totally new & adding extra excitement.
     
     
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I'm sure people want a realistic outlook on the viability of certain said projects. Discussing construction without including energy is like talking about baking without including flour.
What drives me crazy are some of the posts I've seen at SSC, where ppl will write things like: "how tall is that?" "Is that u/c?" "Is that on 9th St or on Fig?" "I like that!" "I don't like that!" "I hate that!" "Do you know what's happening there?" "I don't care for X,Y,Z." "do you know who's building that?" "That's too short!" "That new proj is ugly!" "That bldg is nice!"

When it comes to your posts on energy & oil depletion, I have to admit they have required a bit more time & thought, & have gone beyond simple one sentence zingers.
     
     
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LAB...it's just that you are giving us "duh" statements. Yes, we understand peak oil, energy crisis, etc...you are preaching to the choir. Please give us updates specifically related to Los Angeles or an informed discussion about what's going on in the NEIGHBORHOOD. Yes, Peak Oil will cause tremendous harm to the world. You've said it time and time again. Kind of like Carlos Mencia's "deedeedee". We know, we get it. Let's move forward and talk about current Los Angeles development.
     
     
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Regarding Vibiana Place...

Big Plans Raise Builder’s Low Profile

REAL ESTATE: Weintraub has hands full with three big projects.

By DANIEL MILLER
Los Angeles Business Journal Staff
November 19, 2007

For a real estate developer who’s done some notable projects and who’s gotten into a scrape or two, Richard Weintraub has managed to keep a fairly low profile.

But that may change soon.

He and his Weintraub Financial Services Inc. are taking on several conspicuous and potentially controversial projects at once – including a retail project in developer-averse Malibu, a re-do of the iconic Sportsmen’s Lodge Hotel in Studio City and what could be a risky condo project next to the old St. Vibiana Cathedral downtown.

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His other big project, the Vibiana Lofts, may be a good test of his optimism.

The 44-story tower is entitled for 300 units and would likely be a very high-end project in a market that has not yet proven it can sustain such a development.

Weintraub was introduced to his project partner, Tom Gilmore, a downtown real estate developer, by L.A. architecture writer Sam Hall Kaplan several years ago, and the two hit it off. Gilmore has owned the property that includes the development site and the cathedral since 1999 and Weintraub partnered with him on it about four years ago. Since then, the former cathedral at 210 S. Main St. has become a well-used events space, hosting weddings, art functions and fashion shows.

“He did something a lot of Malibu people don’t do – come downtown and see the vision,” Gilmore said.

The condo tower is still in the planning stages and Weintraub said he’d like to monitor the downtown housing market before moving forward.

I want to see how these other buildings get absorbed over the next year,” said Weintraub, who added that he and Gilmore are in talks with an unnamed “world-class” architect for the project. “We want to build something very unique and probably very expensive.”

“One of the things I like about him is that he translates his broad big picture ideas into the most minute details,” said Gilmore. “He really sweats the details and he’s got good taste and knows what the market is.”

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LAB...it's just that you are giving us "duh" statements. Yes, we understand peak oil, energy crisis, etc...you are preaching to the choir. Please give us updates specifically related to Los Angeles or an informed discussion about what's going on in the NEIGHBORHOOD. Yes, Peak Oil will cause tremendous harm to the world. You've said it time and time again. Kind of like Carlos Mencia's "deedeedee". We know, we get it. Let's move forward and talk about current Los Angeles development.
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Sigh....
Finally.

Anyways, does anybody know how that connection linking of the BLUE, GOLD, EXPO, and GREEN lines in downtown is going?
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Never mind....:

Looking for a Connection

Some See Proposed Transit Project as Downtown's Missing Link

by Anna Scott

Depending on who you ask, Downtown Los Angeles in 15 years - with the completion of L.A. Live, the $2 billion Grand Avenue plan and thousands of residential units - could either be a quagmire of congestion or a model of urban planning.


The Gold Line currently runs from Pasadena to Union Station, and is being extended to East L.A. A new plan for a Downtown Regional Connector would help people navigate between the Gold, Blue and coming Expo lines. Photo by Gary Leonard.
Hoping to contribute toward the latter, the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority is in the early stage of planning a project that would connect the four light-rail lines that will eventually traverse Downtown, creating more direct routes throughout L.A.

The Downtown Regional Connector would create a link between the Gold Line, which opened in 2003 and connects Pasadena to Union Station; the upcoming Gold Line Eastside Extension, which will continue the route through East L.A., with completion expected in 2009; the Blue Line, which runs between Long Beach and a station at Seventh and Flower streets; and the future Expo Line, which will also feature a Seventh and Flower stop as it stretches to Culver City.

Metro officials recently launched a study of various options for the proposed connector, including an aboveground or at-grade light-rail or a subway. The study area encompasses approximately two square miles, roughly bounded by the 101 and 110 freeways, Alameda Street and Seventh or Ninth streets.

The proposal is estimated to cost between $250 million and $800 million, said Metro project manager Dolores Roybal, who added that no attempts have yet been made to identify funding sources. The system is likely at least 10 years away, she said.

Nonetheless, at a series of public meetings held by Metro over the past few weeks, the proposal has generated serious discussion Downtown, where many view the connector as a potentially vital counterpart to the neighborhood's multitude of development projects.


"We think it's very important to ensure that proposed routes maximize Downtown development and revitalization efforts," said Veronica Perez Becker, vice president of legislative affairs for the Central City Association. "We also feel that anything that makes transportation work more effectively and that recognizes Downtown as a transportation hub is a good thing."


A Long Haul


The Downtown connector was originally conceived nearly two decades ago as an extension of the Blue Line north to Pasadena, but was abandoned in the early 1990s because of a lack of funding.

The proposal was retooled to fit subsequent light-rail expansions, including the construction of the Gold Line. Metro conducted an initial feasibility and cost study of the current proposal in 2004, and the agency's board approved funding for a full-fledged study last year.
Earlier this month, Metro officials held two informational meetings - both Downtown - on the project. They also participated in a discussion at last week's Downtown Los Angeles Neighborhood Council meeting.

There, community members questioned how the Downtown Connector would gel with developments underway in the area, particularly the Grand Avenue plan, which is expected to create 2,600 new housing units, plus retail and a hotel.

In response, Roybal said Metro is looking into building a station on Bunker Hill, adjacent to the project. In a separate interview, Beatrice Hsu, vice president of development for Related Cos., said that the developer is working closely with Metro and "would be very interested in having a stop somewhere in the vicinity of the project."

Others questioned whether officials are considering how the Downtown Connector might complement a proposed Red Car trolley that would run along First Street to Broadway, Olympic Boulevard and Figueroa Street. That system "would start to be the backbone of transportation Downtown," said DLANC President Russell Brown at last Tuesday's meeting.

Despite questions, area stakeholders have generally expressed enthusiasm about the Downtown Regional Connector.

"It's an absolutely necessary piece of the puzzle for regional connectivity," said Downtown resident and gallery owner Bert Green. "It has to be done; it's a plan for the next 100 years."

Perez Becker of the Central City Association said she expects that "if they make it easier to do so, more people will come through and to Downtown."


Looking Ahead


Metro officials expect to produce a final report on the Downtown Connector, with preferred routing options, by July 2008, said Roybal.

If the Metro board approves the report, officials can then begin an environmental study, which could take up to three years. They would also start to look for funding at that point.

"On a very aggressive schedule," said Roybal, riders can expect the connector to be running in seven to 10 years. While Metro has endured, and continues to face, major funding challenges across the board, officials, at least for now, seem dedicated to the Downtown Connector.

"It's extremely important to establish connectivity," said Diego Cardoso, a Metro executive officer and a city planning commissioner.

"We're talking here about the future of Los Angeles," he said. "We're talking about the future of Downtown."

Contact Anna Scott at [email protected].

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I do think LAB has some very valid points, mostly due to the fact that all of the factors he listed will become major issues facing a growing city as well as its downtown. Granted it may be more useful in a more dedicated forum for that topic, it still gives a good prespective. I hope that due to these concerns, they will work heavily in the coming years to expand the downtown public transportation. I read the article in LA DT News that JDRCrash posted this weekend on that topic, and that would be a major player in the emerging market.
One of the major flaws of any development DT right now was highlighted by a post on here from a few weeks ago, giving a detailed description of the opening night at Nokia. The writer highlighted how as great as the show was and as new and fresh the venue...people's highest priority after the show wasnt to explore the area or check out open shops or such, but to "beat traffic"...we ALL know that phrase in Socal. If we can marginalize that aspect of life in DT, we can truly begin its new life as a "people's DT" as opposed to a grouping of buildings. Oh, and citywatch.."I hate that building, the X,Y,Z one...its too short!" (Grins)
     
     
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looks like the wall around fig central is back up
     
     
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people's highest priority after the show wasnt to explore the area or check out open shops or such, but to "beat traffic"...we ALL know that phrase in Socal. If we can marginalize that aspect of life in DT, we can truly begin its new life as a "people's DT" as opposed to a grouping of buildings. Oh, and citywatch.."I hate that building, the X,Y,Z one...its too short!"

One of the more embarrassing TV shots of a location in LA through the yrs has been, as one example, that of Dodgers Stadium, as a camera is directed at a long line of red tail lights seen behind the back field's wall, as ppl in their cars are streaming out of the stadium even before a game is over, & even if the score is close.

I've sometimes wondered if the desire of ppl to "get us the heck outta here" is heightened in LA cuz (1) too many ppl here live so far away from one another, due to burbanization gone off the deep end, & (2) cuz ppl feel wary of spending more time than they have to in hoods they perceive as way too edgy & way too sketchy.

The latter may be the prime reason that so much of the former took place to begin with. IOW, lots of ppl found it very easy to walk away from hoods like DT in the first place cuz such hoods never were made competitive enough to begin with. So maybe if alot of the changes that are now occurring in DT had happened over 10 yrs ago, or 20 yrs ago, or 40 yrs ago, there would be less of that mad rush seen in so many ppl, where they feel a need to get the heck outta the hood ASAP.

And Echo Pk's post above is a good example of a short, simple sentence that is more newsworthy (& interesting to me) than all the words in this post combined. That's cuz if the barricade on the north side of the LA Central site really has been reinstalled, than whew! That is good news.
     
     
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I'm sure we'll all feel better with a photo of said fence back in place (even better when earthmovers start feasting on asfault), but if what he's saying is true, then I told you so. Nanny nanny boo boo.

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Walked by LA Central site today. No fence there on 11th street, but it is still up around the rest of the site and the new zoning variance was posted on the wall. Looks like the variance is for a hearing in Jan. so it might be some time before anything happens there. Too bad.
     
     
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