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Old Posted Nov 17, 2007, 6:05 PM
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The only rumor I believe right now is that due to this:



the owners know they have until 12/05 before they can move forward, so they removed the fence on one side of the lot to obtain as much parking income until such date.
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Hmm, well I guess it makes sense then to obtain as much parking fees as possible...

Hey, wasn't it not 52, but 54 stories?
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2007, 6:22 PM
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"The 17-story steel skeleton of a Wilshire condominium, abandoned when its developers declared bankruptcy two years ago, has caused such an outcry from Westwood residents that the Los Angeles City Council says it should either he completed or demolished."

Here's one more article from '91 referencing abandoned condo towers in L.A.:

"La Tour is the latest of the glitzy towers sprouting up along Wilshire Boulevard's so-called Golden Mile, as Westwood's condo row is known.

Many of those towers had sat idle for years as nothing but heaps of rusting steel when their original developers ran out of money. But most of the projects have since been taken over by deeper-pocketed developers who are now pushing the towers toward completion.

Thanks for doing some homework on what happened to highrise condo devplt several yrs ago. And it is relevant to this thread on DT, cuz, based on the saying of "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it", I don't think anyone in LA should ever have to experience the sight of unfinished rusting towers all over again. Your info also is surprising, even shocking, to me, cuz I didn't realize things got so bad that there ended up being more than one abandoned bldg on Wilshire.

And you & I have been thinking of the same abandoned bldg. I wonder how long it remained unfinished after the article from 1984 was published? I have only a vague memory of it, so I forgot that the devlpr's crews, before bailing out on the proj, already had gotten up to the 17th floor. The bldg, btw, was steel framed, unlike all the towers today that are built of concrete.

If the 2nd article from 1991 is referring to this same bldg in its description of "many of those towers had sat idle for years as nothing but heaps of rusting steel," then I wonder if that means the 17 story abandoned bldg remained untouched for almost 6 to 7 yrs. If so, SHEESH!!

Even worse, there were OTHER unfinished bldgs along Wilshire back then?! If so, I don't recall any of those. Sounds like the situation really was pummeled on 2 separate occasions, by the recession of the early 1980s, & then of the early 1990s.

It is sad that the history of highrise condo/apt bldgs in LA comes with such a rocky beginning. Even today, you can add up all the condo towers in LA, from Westwood to Brentwood, from DTLA to DTLB, to Marina del Rey, & still not have as much as what's been built in other cities, esp Chicago & NYC. That's why I'll be really if the few highrise condo/apt towers going up in LA today encounter problems not much better than what happened over 15 to 20 yrs ago.

That brings me to the proposed Parkfifth condo tower, which will sit next to the Title Guarantee bldg, shown newly lit at night, in this photo from fridayinla:


fridayinla at flickr.com

Ralossi's blog mentions that the TG bldg's lighting isn't as good as it could be. What I notice is that the metro417 bldg in the background has allowed several of its floodlights to burn out.


fridayinla at flickr.com

Seems like at least 5 of the bldgs lights on the west & south sides of the bldg are no longer working. I hope that's not a sign that the owner of metro 417 isn't too good about maintenance of their bldg.

Think of how nicely illuminated the entire block occupied by the metro417 & title Guarantee bldgs will be when----& I don't wanna say if----parkfifth is built. Two major gaps will be filled in & the Pershing Sq area will seem more complete.
     
     
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[QUOTE=RAlossi;3170161]
Also, Meruelo was supposed to be breaking ground on a new tower every six monthsQUOTE]

You know what, your right!
I forgot about that!
Every six months, he would break ground on a new one, 3 NEW towers at a time to be exact.
Let me guess, The @#$%'n Housing Market...again?!



@LaDowntowner: Oh, thanks to your advice a while back, i've learned alot about Alternative Energy!

In short-term, running low on oil will not be good.
In fact, in early December, Venezualan President Hugo Chavez could propel crude oil prices to as much as $120 Brl, if the citizens favor the tax increase on Foreign Nations that want oil.

However, when oil runs out, it will CERTAINLY not bring the High-Rise boom will be brought to a complete halt:

1.People WILL be resorted to taking Public Transportaion

2.Even if they desire to continue to drive, they may use Solar, Electricity, and compressed air to fuel their automobiles.

And this time, I can back that up!
Power plants such as Windmills and HydroDams, can create electricity; not brought from OTHER power plants that use fossil fuels that produce greenhouse gases....but by simply using the forces of nature.

( to safe energy!)
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2007, 8:50 PM
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Also, Meruelo was supposed to be breaking ground on a new tower every six monthsQUOTE]

You know what, your right!
I forgot about that!
Every six months, he would break ground on a new one, 3 NEW towers at a time to be exact.
Let me guess, The @#$%'n Housing Market...again?!



@LaDowntowner: Oh, thanks to your advice a while back, i've learned alot about Alternative Energy!

In short-term, running low on oil will not be good.
In fact, in early December, Venezualan President Hugo Chavez could propel crude oil prices to as much as $120 Brl, if the citizens favor the tax increase on Foreign Nations that want oil.

However, when oil runs out, it will CERTAINLY not bring the High-Rise boom will be brought to a complete halt:

1.People WILL be resorted to taking Public Transportaion

2.Even if they desire to continue to drive, they may use Solar, Electricity, and compressed air to fuel their automobiles.

And this time, I can back that up!
Power plants such as Windmills and HydroDams, can create electricity; not brought from OTHER power plants that use fossil fuels that produce greenhouse gases....but by simply using the forces of nature.

( to safe energy!)

(sigh)
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2007, 2:35 AM
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Also, Meruelo was supposed to be breaking ground on a new tower every six monthsQUOTE]

You know what, your right!
I forgot about that!
Every six months, he would break ground on a new one, 3 NEW towers at a time to be exact.
Let me guess, The @#$%'n Housing Market...again?!



@LaDowntowner: Oh, thanks to your advice a while back, i've learned alot about Alternative Energy!

In short-term, running low on oil will not be good.
In fact, in early December, Venezualan President Hugo Chavez could propel crude oil prices to as much as $120 Brl, if the citizens favor the tax increase on Foreign Nations that want oil.

However, when oil runs out, it will CERTAINLY not bring the High-Rise boom will be brought to a complete halt:

1.People WILL be resorted to taking Public Transportaion

2.Even if they desire to continue to drive, they may use Solar, Electricity, and compressed air to fuel their automobiles.

And this time, I can back that up!
Power plants such as Windmills and HydroDams, can create electricity; not brought from OTHER power plants that use fossil fuels that produce greenhouse gases....but by simply using the forces of nature.

( to safe energy!)


This nonsense reminds me of that Jack in the Box commerical with the car that was fueled by water. Oh if only...

I forgot what I was going to post about.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2007, 9:25 AM
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However, when oil runs out, it will CERTAINLY not bring the High-Rise boom will be brought to a complete halt:

1.People WILL be resorted to taking Public Transportaion

2.Even if they desire to continue to drive, they may use Solar, Electricity, and compressed air to fuel their automobiles.
Two things I know:

1. I am sure we will run out of oil at present consumption rates.

2. I am optimistic that humans will adjust to the changes in the future, which I believe will include more people moving from the suburbs to DT.

To developing safe alternative energy
     
     
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From 2nd and Spring:



From the LA Times parking garage:

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Does anyone have any pictures of the Nokia Theater/LA Live area during tonight's American Music Awards?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2007, 7:09 AM
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Here's a weekend photo update:

Union Lofts:


Bldg between Gas Company Lofts & Market Lofts wrapped, ready for demolition for future parking garage:


Concerto construction:


717, working on the main lobby:


Wokcano:


Scaffolding surrounding 655 Hope:


7-11 construction, looks like a nice, small, urban store; not a surburban 7-11 (great!)


Broadway bldg going lofts:


The following pictures are taken from my rooftop at the Skyline:

Evo construction (looks like it has 10 more floors to go, looks like it's the same height as Luma thus far?):


Hanover (717 Olympic):


Roosevelt rooftop bar/lounge construction:


717 Ninth:


Concerto crane, with mid-Wilshire in the background:


Concerto crane again:


717 Ninth Crane, with skyline in the background:


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Old Posted Nov 19, 2007, 7:20 AM
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Some cool tidbits:

1 - found out that the Oh! restaurant at the Orchid Hotel is scheduled to open in 3 weeks.

2 - the Orchid hotel owners are planning on opening an underground club under the Orchid Hotel. Scheduled opening in March 2008.

3 - just a random thought...wouldn't it be cool if Hanover opened their rooftop bar lounge to the public? It would create an overflow from the thousands who will come to LA Live!

4- Oh yeah...damn did downtown LA shine with the AMA's!! Loved the mention by the media "downtown LA". However, I wish they had camera shots of the area. Imagine, in 3 years, Ritz Carlton, LA Central, Concerto, 717, etc... we are witnessing history.

5 - an image of ImaginAsian theater I forgot in my photo update:
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2007, 7:20 AM
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Thanks so much for the update! I haven't been down to South Park lately. Looks like Concerto's about to peek up out of the ground now.
     
     
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Great update, LAofAnaheim! Evo should be topped out or very close to it in regards to residential floors. It's only 23 stories (4 more than Luma), but the floor-to-floor heights are a bit shorter, so it's not much taller than Luma. And from that angle, it might actually look shorter or the same height as Luma. It looks like we're seeing the roof feature going in, but it's hard to tell.

I like how you can see the indentation for the water feature on 717 Olympic. I was wondering why it was taking so long to finish that floor, but after looking at how thick it is, it's makes sense.
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Thx for the update.

Seems as if 717 has been stuck on level 6 for weeks now. I have a photo from 5 weeks ago when it was on level 5.
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^ Mabye they are starting the transition from the parking podium to the actual condo tower. If that's the case, it's a long process.

Thanks for the update. Nice to see Concerto chugging along.
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^ They are making the transition from parking podium to tower at 717. You can tell in LAinAnaheim's second photo - you can see the diagonal "v" columns being formed in the corner. That's the beginning of the tower.
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Here's a weekend photo update:
Concerto construction:
Great timing for a photo update! I was starting to really wonder what the various projs in DT looked like right now.

I'm not sure if it's only due to the angle of your pic, but it looks like the billboard that used to sit on the Concerto site, along 9th St, finally has been removed. If so, one more change for the better.

I saw the Nokia Theater on the AMA last night & notice it's generic enough---it's designed more like a plain black box theater, probably to keep the cost of building it down----that other sites in LA, like the Shrine or even the newer Kodak, still have their own advantages.

11 days & counting for start of work on the Grand Ave proj. No more delays, please!

KCET's series on DT will have an episode tomorrow at 7:30 pm, with Tom Gilmore showing host Huell Howser around the OBD. I definitely want to watch that, & hope there's at least a mention of work on the Medallion, & certainly the conversion of the Rowan & El dorado bldgs. I wonder if his St Vibiana's proj will be mentioned:


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For a real estate developer who’s done some notable projects and who’s gotten into a scrape or two, Richard Weintraub has managed to keep a fairly low profile. But that may change soon. He and his Weintraub Financial Services Inc. are taking on several conspicuous and potentially controversial projects at once – including a retail project in developer-averse Malibu, a re-do of the iconic Sportsmen’s Lodge Hotel in Studio City and what could be a risky condo project next to the old St. Vibiana Cathedral downtown.

One thing Weintraub has going for him is tenacity, said Los Angeles City Councilwoman Jan Perry, who has known Weintraub nearly two decades. His Vibiana Lofts project is in Perry’s district. “Once he pursues a project he is tenacious,” said Perry. “He is doggedly determined to complete the projects he starts.”

His other big project, the Vibiana Lofts, may be a good test of his optimism. The 44-story tower is entitled for 300 units and would likely be a very high-end project in a market that has not yet proven it can sustain such a development.

Weintraub was introduced to his project partner, Tom Gilmore, a downtown real estate developer, by L.A. architecture writer Sam Hall Kaplan several years ago, and the two hit it off. Gilmore has owned the property that includes the development site and the cathedral since 1999 and Weintraub partnered with him on it about four years ago.

The condo tower is still in the planning stages and Weintraub said he’d like to monitor the downtown housing market before moving forward. “I want to see how these other buildings get absorbed over the next year,” said Weintraub, who added that he and Gilmore are in talks with an unnamed “world-class” architect for the project. “We want to build something very unique and probably very expensive.”




BTW, I saw this in the city compilations forum, which made me think of the unfinished highrise condos on Wilshire back in the 1980s, early 1990s. I hope it's not a sign of what may happen here in LA over the next few yrs, esp when it comes to major projs like parkfifth.


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In Tampa, Fla., buyers who placed deposits of $200,000 to $1.2 million on units in the 52-story Trump Tower Tampa are fuming. Nearly three years after the $260 million skyscraper was started, construction has stopped.

Meantime, a Fort Lauderdale, Fla., tower with Mr. Trump's name on it was put on hold indefinitely last month, and a West Palm Beach project could be put on the shelf shortly. Construction on a Trump Tower in Toronto is just getting under way after years of delays and a reduction in height. And at Trump Tower Chicago, a hotel and condo project set to be the second tallest building in the city after the Sears Tower, 30% of the 825 units remain unsold as the condo market there slows.
     
     
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it looks like the billboard that used to sit on the Concerto site, along 9th St, finally has been removed. If so, one more change for the better.
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[/b]Great timing for a photo update! I was starting to really wonder what the various projs in DT looked like right now.

I'm not sure if it's only due to the angle of your pic, but it looks like the billboard that used to sit on the Concerto site, along 9th St, finally has been removed. If so, one more change for the better.

I saw the Nokia Theater on the AMA last night & notice it's generic enough---it's designed more like a plain black box theater, probably to keep the cost of building it down----that other sites in LA, like the Shrine or even the newer Kodak, still have their own advantages.

11 days & counting for start of work on the Grand Ave proj. No more delays, please!

KCET's series on DT will have an episode tomorrow at 7:30 pm, with Tom Gilmore showing host Huell Howser around the OBD. I definitely want to watch that, & hope there's at least a mention of work on the Medallion, & certainly the conversion of the Rowan & El dorado bldgs. I wonder if his St Vibiana's proj will be mentioned:


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BTW, I saw this in the city compilations forum, which made me think of the unfinished highrise condos on Wilshire back in the 1980s, early 1990s. I hope it's not a sign of what may happen here in LA over the next few yrs, esp when it comes to major projs like parkfifth.


Actually, that's exactly what will happen. As the real estate market continues to slow down, and high energy costs continue to rise even higher (fueled by China's insatiable demand like a runaway truck down the Grapevine), projects that were once viable last year will not make economic sense in the years to come. Oil, concrete, steel, and labor aren't getting any cheaper.
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