Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta International Airport

[akiatl261]

Yah China SOuthern is in Skyteam now. That will go a very long way for building up its presence in Asia. Now all Skyteam needs now is Malaysian and then people cant talk anymore about how Skyteam sucks in Asia. China Southern is a good carrier. Maybe we could see a gaungzhou to Atlanta 777 route as it is there main hub. Would be cool.

Does anyone know if the US airways fiasco in Philadelphia will benefit Delta interms of getting the route to Beijing? (Delta has aquired gates on the international concourse freeing up space for southwest at there old gates and leaving UsAirways Strapped for International Gates. us Airways Threated to decline there china award if it was allowed to happen).

[STrek777]

Originally Posted by akiatl261

Yah China SOuthern is in Skyteam now. That will go a very long way for building up its presence in Asia. Now all Skyteam needs now is Malaysian and then people cant talk anymore about how Skyteam sucks in Asia. China Southern is a good carrier. Maybe we could see a gaungzhou to Atlanta 777 route as it is there main hub. Would be cool.

Does anyone know if the US airways fiasco in Philadelphia will benefit Delta interms of getting the route to Beijing? (Delta has aquired gates on the international concourse freeing up space for southwest at there old gates and leaving UsAirways Strapped for International Gates. us Airways Threated to decline there china award if it was allowed to happen).

I have been waiting to talk about this China Southern thing for a while now. I am so glad they released it.

Here is the US Airways article. Delta may end up with Beijing after all!

US Airways plays its China card
In a space dispute with Phila. airport, it said it might not proceed with Beijing flight plans.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/11074916.html

OOOHHHHH the Senator is mmmmaaaaaaddddd!!!!

Specter blasts US Airways over China route
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/business_breaking/11093676.html

Who was that a while back that suggested that if Delta couldn't handle the turbulence then they should get out of the sky. I think Delta knows how to play dirty and when it comes to US Airways I can tell you we are still very pissed at their arrogance. They though they could just come in rape the bankruptcy process, acquire Delta and call it a day. oh I get fired up just thinking about it.

While we're on the subject I thought ya'll might like this

US Airways cut to neutral from buy at Goldman Sachs
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/St...42-0E7D2A10D37E%7d&siteid=yhoo&dist=yhoo

[MAH4546]

Originally Posted by STrek777

I have been waiting to talk about this China Southern thing for a while now. I am so glad they released it.

Here is the US Airways article. Delta may end up with Beijing after all!

If US Airways fails to fly Philadelphia-Beijing, the award, IIRC, goes to United Airlines for Los Angeles-Shanghai, as the "back-up."

[STrek777]

Originally Posted by MAH4546

If US Airways fails to fly Philadelphia-Beijing, the award, IIRC, goes to United Airlines for Los Angeles-Shanghai, as the "back-up."

I'm talking about the Beijing route. The USA and China negotiated very specific flight criteria. These awards were based on those negotiations. If US can't fly the route that doesn't just leave a China route open that leaves the 2009 Beijing route open.

Personally I was shocked to see US even put in for the thing. Their largest plane is the 767-300. In 2005, I think, there was a 2008 Beijing route open for bidding. The answer we got from the DOT as to why DL was denied was because they did not feel that we were serious enough about Trans Pacific routes. They pointed out that at the time we had only one Trans Pacific flight from ATL - NRT. They felt that since we pulled out of HKG when it was handed back to China that we were flighty. They also didn't care for the fact that we pulled out of TPE when we stopped flying our DC-10s. The award was given to UA and the rest is history.

Now at the time US put in for the Beijing bid they had no routes over the Pacific, and most of their European flights are seasonal. They could only promise that they would have the aircraft in place to fly the route in 2009 if they were awarded it. They were still operating essentially as two separate companies with the same name. They are only like the 7th largest carrier in the USA and they want the route out of PHL of all places. I can see why Specter was so mad he must have pulled every favor he had over at the DOT to get US that route and now their thinking about giving it up. Personally I have never heard of an airline giving up a prime China route before. It will be a sight to watch... I almost want to get my popcorn ready and find a comfortable seat.

[MAH4546]

Originally Posted by STrek777

I'm talking about the Beijing route. The USA and China negotiated very specific flight criteria. These awards were based on those negotiations. If US can't fly the route that doesn't just leave a China route open that leaves the 2009 Beijing route open.

Incorrect. There is no "Beijing route". The route that is open can go to Beijing, Shanghai, or Guangzhou. They did negotiate very specific flight criteria, but that criteria was that the four 2009 route authorities could be awarded to any combination of flights to Shanghai, Beijing, and Guangzhou.

For every award, the U.S. DOT selects a back-up carrier that will get the award , by default, if the primary carrier does not get it. This avoids the hassle of second selection process. In the case of the 2009 US Airways Philadelphia-Beijing award, it goes by default to United Airlines for Los Angeles-Shanghai, IIRC.

Back in 2005 when American was awarded Chicago-Shanghai, for example, Delta Airlines was awarded the back-up authority with their Atlanta-Beijing application, in which case if American was unable to start Chicago-Shanghai, rather than start a whole other round of applications, Delta would get Atlanta-Beijing by default.

US-China route authorities are divided into "Type 1", which can be used to Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shanghai, and "Type II", which can be used to a dozen smaller cities (and, not surprisingly, nobody has applied for yet).

The only time in which there has been a particular city award was for 2008, when they opened up seven frequencies that had to be used to Guangzhou, which went to United.

[ThrashATL]

The onslaught at Hartsfield starts today. Let's see, 200,000 people a day for the next 10 days with peaks of 240,000 Wednesday, Friday & Saturday... About 2 million people in a week and a half... glad I'm not heading out there or through there!

[SteveD]

Me too. I'm driving over this Thanksgiving. Hartsfield-Jackson handles massive crowds as well as anyone, I suppose, but I sure wouldn't want to be going through there in the next week.

[echinatl]

Some of us were discussing free wifi and I brought up that some areas are seeing free city wide wifi networks. Here is the latest exaple of this for anyone that is interested:

http://www.centernetworks.com/manhattan-free-wifi-cbs-mta-partnership

I wish that discussion didn’t die so quickly, usually I have no expert knowledge in anything that is discussed on this board but for once I knew what I was talking about!

[Dragonheart8588]

Originally Posted by echinatl

Some of us were discussing free wifi and I brought up that some areas are seeing free city wide wifi networks. Here is the latest exaple of this for anyone that is interested:

http://www.centernetworks.com/manhattan-free-wifi-cbs-mta-partnership

I wish that discussion didn’t die so quickly, usually I have no expert knowledge in anything that is discussed on this board but for once I knew what I was talking about!

Now, if can only get that for Atlanta, Marta & the airport.

[STrek777]

Originally Posted by MAH4546

Incorrect. There is no "Beijing route". The route that is open can go to Beijing, Shanghai, or Guangzhou. They did negotiate very specific flight criteria, but that criteria was that the four 2009 route authorities could be awarded to any combination of flights to Shanghai, Beijing, and Guangzhou.

For every award, the U.S. DOT selects a back-up carrier that will get the award , by default, if the primary carrier does not get it. This avoids the hassle of second selection process. In the case of the 2009 US Airways Philadelphia-Beijing award, it goes by default to United Airlines for Los Angeles-Shanghai, IIRC.

Back in 2005 when American was awarded Chicago-Shanghai, for example, Delta Airlines was awarded the back-up authority with their Atlanta-Beijing application, in which case if American was unable to start Chicago-Shanghai, rather than start a whole other round of applications, Delta would get Atlanta-Beijing by default.

US-China route authorities are divided into "Type 1", which can be used to Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shanghai, and "Type II", which can be used to a dozen smaller cities (and, not surprisingly, nobody has applied for yet).

The only time in which there has been a particular city award was for 2008, when they opened up seven frequencies that had to be used to Guangzhou, which went to United.

Thank you for the insight!

[ATLaffinity]

ok, i've come up with the ultimate merger plan.

forget United which blows and would threaten the ATL hub.

DL should merge with NW (as has been speculated for years) since there's very little overlap and HQ would certainly be in Atlanta.

so now you have one airline with a strong presence on both coasts.

so which flag?

Northwest? Obviously not.

Delta? OK but there's something better...

...


wait for it

...




yes, you heard me right! and, yes, they can get the name.

i'll let the operations people work out the minor details of merging airlines

[STrek777]

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

ok, i've come up with the ultimate merger plan.

forget United which blows and would threaten the ATL hub.

DL should merge with NW (as has been speculated for years) since there's very little overlap and HQ would certainly be in Atlanta.

so now you have one airline with a strong presence on both coasts.

so which flag?

Northwest? Obviously not.

Delta? OK but there's something better...

...


wait for it

...




yes, you heard me right! and, yes, they can get the name.

i'll let the operations people work out the minor details of merging airlines

That's cute. But Pan Am is still arround.

http://www.flypanam.com/

[akiatl261]

Well this Panam is a terrible terrible imitation. The name was bought for like 30k at an auction. I think Delta if they wanted could buy the name and rename the company Panam but I doubt they would.

[megalopolis]

Delta pilots move to block 'poisonous' merger idea

By RUSSELL GRANTHAM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 11/20/07
Delta Air Lines' pilots will work to block a New York hedge fund's "poisonous vision" for a merger with United Airlines, the leader of the union said Tuesday.

Union Chairman Lee Moak told members in a letter posted on the union's Web site that the group views the proposal by Pardus Capital Management as a hostile takeover attempt akin to US Airways' bid for Delta late last year.

"Pardus' demand for a merger between Delta and United is a poisonous vision built upon an artificial timeline and focused primarily on a financial transaction," said Moak. "As we demonstrated in the case of the US Airways assault on our company, we can stop a consolidating event that is not in our best interests, and we will treat the demands by Pardus no less seriously that those presented by US Airways last year."

Pardus Capital proposed last week that Delta merge with United Airlines in a stock-swap deal. The New York firm, which owns 7 million Delta shares and 5.6 million United shares, has been meeting with investors to drum up support for its plan.

Delta and United executives have both said they believe the industry needs to consolidate, but both carriers say they are not in informal or formal merger talks.

Moak said the union is not opposed to mergers per se, but he warned that one combination "could very likely trigger competitive responses from the managements of other carriers resulting in industry-wide consolidation."

He said the union has decided to retain more than $1 million it collected from pilots to pay for legal fees and other expenses related dealing with a potential merger. The union collected the money before US Airways' bid emerged last year and had planned to start returning it to members.

The Air Line Pilots Association, Delta's only large union, was part of a large group of Delta employees that rallied to oppose US Airways' bid to buy Delta before it emerged from bankruptcy last spring. Delta's creditors eventually backed the carrier's plan to remain independent.

But Delta's market value is now about half of what management projected, and soaring jet fuel prices and a shaky economy threaten to unravel the airline's recovery plan.

[STrek777]

Here's another interesting development and another former NW executive. I really can't read to much into this as we also have several other executives that we stole from CO. Yup we now have a pretty balanced team of DL, CO, & NW executives. What a riot it would be if the three announced they would merge together. hehehehe

oh I almost forgot here is the article from the AJC

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/delta/stories/2007/11/29/delta_1130.html

ENJOY!!

[STrek777]

Oh joyous rapture liquids may be back!!!

http://www.praguepost.com/articles/2007/11/28/airport-scanner-could-cut-lines.php

[STrek777]

Well if anyone is reading here is another cool Delta article.

Delta Expands Africa Presence With First Nonstop Flights Between Atlanta and Lagos, Nigeria

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/071203/132424.html

[john3eblover]

keep em coming man!

[STrek777]

Originally Posted by john3eblover

keep em coming man!

SkyTeam Named 2007 Best Airline Alliance Program by Business Traveler Magazine

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/071205/law023.html?.v=101

Per popular demand here is another little goodie!!!

[echinatl]

This is SO AWESOME!!

We need this:

http://jalopnik.com/cars/industry-news/h...rsonal-rapid-transport-system-335264.php

Also, some were talking about in flight internet access, if you're bored, here is a good article talking about it:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119748579144724185.html?mod=hpp_us_inside_today