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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 7:22 PM
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Thanks. I tell you, if there is anything that I have learned whilst in this business is intense patience. When one is holed up with customers all day long patience in describing and informing them on policies, raisons d'etre, and circumstances generally comes with the territory. The main thing is to realise that most people do not get frustrated at the actual situation that they are in, but instead are frustrated at the explicit lack of control and general ignorance to the reasons behind the modus operandi.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 7:26 PM
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And see my friends, this is what those of us who work in the airline industry deal with day in and day out. A statement such as,

"I understand that the airline industry is complex but isn't everything else in the world? If this industry is so complex for Delta, maybe they shouldn't be in it."

makes no sense. Show me a company, with the scope of an operation like an international airline, in any industry that runs perfectly and then we (fellow airline workers) shall agree with said statement. Otherwise, c'est la vie.

Now this statement:

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You are not having problems with Delta because you actually have good experiences with them or you just happen to ignore the big elephant in the room, just like most people in Atlanta, whom claim that living in city is more convenience, but yet they have just as bad traffic and high crime rate."


doesn't really hold water. I live in the city. And I laugh at all the poor suckers when one hears the traffic report of, "Right now trip times on 400 from Hwy 20 to the Perimeter is one hour and 20 minutes. Forget about the Inner Loop as trip times from 75 to 78 are well in excess of over an hour......"

Yeah, right! I've gotten so used to quick trips in my car that my drive to work at the airport tires me as it is my longest trip...East Atlanta to the airport. Wow! And the regarding the crime thing...I feel more wary about walking around parts of Norcross and Riverdale than I do in Downtown/Midtown.

And now the statement that really got me:

"You know it doesn't matter if I fly 1 or 2 times a year or 365 times a year. I didn't pay for sub par (i.e. Delta) services and I don't want to deal with one. This is MY choice..."

You didn't pay for sub-par service? Correct me if I am wrong but I do recall a few pages back you ended up flying on so many carriers in order to obtain the cheapest ticket. More power to you, and there is totally nothing wrong in procuring the best deals, but buddy, you and the majority of the flying public need to realise something...YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!

Talk to us about sub-par service when you buy a Y-Fare or Business or First. I don't think many people realise what sub-par service truly is. Sub-par is paying for something and not getting your money's worth. If you pay US$99 to fly cross-country do realise that you will get basic service. If you pay US$699 to fly in Business Class to the West Coast, well then you shall be treated quite commensurately. I loathe to think what would happen should carriers like Ryanair or Aer Lingus were to operate in the US on a domestic basis (I know that there is SkyBus, but their presence is hardly felt in the grand scheme of all things in US Aviation). Imagine being sold lottery tickets in-flight under the guise of "giving money to poor Irish orphanages". Or having to pay Euros3.50 for literally a cup of water or tea. A hot panini, if I recall, is about Euros8-10 (It's been about a month since I last flew on them).

In the end all that I am saying is that we in airline business don't purposely set out to make one's flying experience a misery... in fact quite the opposite. Our day is better when your day is better. With that being said, we can only operate within the parameters/tools that we are given -- and when passengers/customers demand lower/barebones fares, well then, we are obliged to meet such demands and consequently have to eliminate some amenities.
I completely agree with you on the point that I get what I paid for. I certainly was fine with spirit cheap flight having uncomfortable seats. This is where I beg to differ. Frontier went above and beyond my expectation (realistically, I don't ask for very much) with their pleasantness and extremely nice plane. My biggest gripe with Delta was always with their customer service. I could careless about their old camp airplane but I cannot stand rude people.

I worked in the customer service industry for 8 years and somewhat now in the legal field, I know how hard it is to deal with horrible customers who have bad attitude and want everything to be given to them.

Therefore, I know how hard it is for the check in personnels and flight attendant, but it irate me when I come with pleasantry but yet they don't reciprocate. I mean all I ask is a hello, a thank you, a please, a smile, and I'll do the same. Is that too much to ask?

I think most people on here are confuse with my post, I am not asking for materialistic thing on these airlines (pleasantry does not cost a lot of money). All I want is to deal with pleasant people. I mean my flight on US air was great. I mean their A/C didn't work, but the flight attendant was very funny about it and made the situation a lot better.

Spirit made their customers pay for everything, I certainly didn't mind it because I knew what I was paying for. You see I was fine with all three airlines because their people were extremely nice to speak to unlike my bad experiences with Delta (ok, except one time when my sister flew with them a month ago, where a lady was very nice and courteous,)

On to other points,

I walked to work and school in midtown and downtown. I have been verbally assaulted many times for money by homeless people and by thugs making discriminatory remarks. I used to live in Lawrenceville and now in East Cobb and I have never have to deal with that.

People who are responding to my post, my remarks are NOT for you personally. I am sorry if you do but that's not my intention. All I wanted to do is point out the flaws and hoping people would try to make for the better. However, judging by the responses on here, I'm not sure about that anymore.

STrek, maybe you should be more like GTviajero81(ie. calmness when explaining yourself), all that anger is not healthy. :-)
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 7:33 PM
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CNN just reported of a possible merger between Delta and United...
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 7:40 PM
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Let me assure you that nothing you said was taken personally by me. What you speak of is what I deal with daily. Never did I lose my written 'cool' or anything. I am just explaining to you and to others how things are. Granted, there are a few bad apples in my business, but again I ask, show me a business where there aren't any.

You are right that reciprocation is a simple thing. But here is something that you are going to have to learn as you get older: sometimes it's just better to shrug it off and realise that certain people will just be bitter in their lives. The hard part of this proverbial pill to swallow? -- Is that we can't do anything about it AND we shouldn't let it affect us personally. Do what I do, continue smiling and being nice and maybe it just might change that person's day after your encounter. Simply put: Kill 'em with kindness.

Like I tell all my juniors, I don't get paid enough to get agitated or mad at anyone. Why would I let myself get worked up over something that I can not control? That's why I am in the position that I am in now. Now, in case it was forgotten from an earlier post, I do not work for Delta. But I empathise in the generalisations that customers will manifest onto an airline due to a few not-so-choice encounters. Who knows, your next Delta flight may be your best ever.

Btw, as one of those Gold Medallion members, I truly enjoy Delta's service....my last flight was the non-stop from Dubai, UAE to Atlanta....lovely service and crew.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 7:50 PM
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STrek, maybe you should be more like GTviajero81(ie. calmness when explaining yourself), all that anger is not healthy. :-)
aaahhhhhh Dragonheart don't be upset. There is no one I enjoy going toe to toe with than you. You help keep me on my A game and force me to think outside the box. I know I come across harsh and angry on my post but I really wish you could actually hear me respond to you. I swear the way I hear myself saying it my head is the way I write it but the way it reads must be another matter entirely. I have no ill will toward you. Honestly once you throw in my hand motions with my vocal inflections the mood of my comments change completely.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 7:54 PM
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DELTA and UNITED?

Report: Delta, United in merger talks
Company would keep United name and be based in Chicago


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Published on: 11/14/07

UAL Corp.'s United Airlines and Delta Air Lines Inc. have been discussing a combination between the nation's second- and third-largest carriers that would keep the United name and the corporate headquarters in Chicago, The Associated Press has learned.

There is a sense of urgency in the talks, which have been going on for some time and continued as recently as a week or so ago, an official with knowledge of the talks said Wednesday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to speak publicly.

"They want to get something done before a new administration gets in and so they get the clock ticking on" federal regulatory approval, the official said.

The exact financial details of the transaction being discussed are not clear. But the talks involve United being the name of the combined airlines, the headquarters staying in Chicago and Delta's Atlanta hub being an operational center for the two carriers, the official said. One possible scenario involves Delta CEO Richard Anderson being the chief of the combined airline, the official said.

A spokesperson for Chicago-based United did not immediately return a call Wednesday seeking comment. Delta spokeswoman Betsy Talton declined to comment.

Delta said in a statement Wednesday that its board has established a special committee to work with management to review and analyze strategic options for the airline. Top executives have said recently they are trying to determine whether consolidation makes sense for Delta.

The company was responding to pressure by a hedge fund that owns 7 million Delta shares to consider combining with UAL.

Pardus Capital Management LP said in a letter to Delta's top management on Tuesday that it is "imperative" that the company undertake a merger transaction with another airline in view of soaring fuel prices and what it described as the increased risks of going it alone.

"Consolidation is needed to de-risk the industry and time is of the essence as now is the right regulatory environment," said Karim Samii, president of Pardus, and Shane Larson, a principal.

The hedge fund executives said they had determined since making a similar recommendation in a Sept. 7 letter that "the most attractive and practical combination would be a Delta and United Airlines combination."

It cited figures from a consulting firm estimating that the benefits of such a pairing would be about $585 million and said a combined Delta-United would boast a broader network than any other combination.

Pardus also owned 5.6 million shares in Chicago-based UAL as of Sept. 30.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 8:04 PM
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The mere implications of a merger between the two.....wow!

The fact that the operational hubs have already been determined as well as airline name and....gosh there are too many specifics to ignore.

If this merger were to go through the resulting network and hubs -- gosh I can't even imagine how literally the competition would be crushed.

I think it's about time for that happy hour cocktail...and pronto!
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 8:07 PM
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Let me assure you that nothing you said was taken personally by me. What you speak of is what I deal with daily. Never did I lose my written 'cool' or anything. I am just explaining to you and to others how things are. Granted, there are a few bad apples in my business, but again I ask, show me a business where there aren't any.

You are right that reciprocation is a simple thing. But here is something that you are going to have to learn as you get older: sometimes it's just better to shrug it off and realise that certain people will just be bitter in their lives. The hard part of this proverbial pill to swallow? -- Is that we can't do anything about it AND we shouldn't let it affect us personally. Do what I do, continue smiling and being nice and maybe it just might change that person's day after your encounter. Simply put: Kill 'em with kindness.

Like I tell all my juniors, I don't get paid enough to get agitated or mad at anyone. Why would I let myself get worked up over something that I can not control? That's why I am in the position that I am in now. Now, in case it was forgotten from an earlier post, I do not work for Delta. But I empathise in the generalisations that customers will manifest onto an airline due to a few not-so-choice encounters. Who knows, your next Delta flight may be your best ever.

Btw, as one of those Gold Medallion members, I truly enjoy Delta's service....my last flight was the non-stop from Dubai, UAE to Atlanta....lovely service and crew.
You have enlighten me. Thank you very much. You ought to teach that to Strek, too.

People needs to be like you and the funny thing is that my dad said the same thing about shrugging things off and move on.

Again, thank you very much.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 8:08 PM
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The mere implications of a merger between the two.....wow!

The fact that the operational hubs have already been determined as well as airline name and....gosh there are too many specifics to ignore.

If this merger were to go through the resulting network and hubs -- gosh I can't even imagine how literally the competition would be crushed.

I think it's about time for that happy hour cocktail...and pronto!
Here's an article for all to read

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/business/15air-web.html?ref=business
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 8:10 PM
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You have enlighten me. Thank you very much. You ought to teach that to Strek, too.

People needs to be like you and the funny thing is that my dad said the same thing about shrugging things off and move on.

Again, thank you very much.
My pleasure. Cheers mate! And btw, your dad seems to be a wise man!
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 8:42 PM
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aaahhhhhh Dragonheart don't be upset. There is no one I enjoy going toe to toe with than you. You help keep me on my A game and force me to think outside the box. I know I come across harsh and angry on my post but I really wish you could actually hear me respond to you. I swear the way I hear myself saying it my head is the way I write it but the way it reads must be another matter entirely. I have no ill will toward you. Honestly once you throw in my hand motions with my vocal inflections the mood of my comments change completely.
I think that is the biggest problem for forums are that people can't see and hear the actual response, which could lead a lot of misunderstanding. I mean I seriously don't want to come across as an A** either.

I mean it is great to read what you and other have to say because YOU GUYS are actually in the business. I complete understand your frustration when discussing topics with outsiders. I mean I agree I don't know anything about airlines industry compared to you guys. I'm flatter that you think I keep you on your A game.
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How the hell could United get hold of Delta, Delta is a much stronger airline financially....???
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 8:47 PM
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Yeah it's everywhere of course I also hope that the

Associated Press
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071114/delta_united.html?.v=21

Market Watch
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/de...B3%2D9A1B%2D0AF8BA4E28BA%7D&siteid=yhoof

Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119505714456992875.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo

New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/business/15air-web.html?ref=business

Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN1436355220071114

Financial Times
http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto111420071400453508&referrer_id=yahoofinance

CNN Money
http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/14/news/companies/delta_united/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote

FOX News
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Nov14/0,4670,DeltaUnited,00.html

are all wrong. The AJC has already amended its story but the original was very interesting. I really do not feel like moving to Chicago.
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Yeah it's everywhere of course I also hope that the

Associated Press
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071114/delta_united.html?.v=21

Market Watch
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/de...B3%2D9A1B%2D0AF8BA4E28BA%7D&siteid=yhoof

Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119505714456992875.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo

New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/business/15air-web.html?ref=business

Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN1436355220071114

Financial Times
http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto111420071400453508&referrer_id=yahoofinance

CNN Money
http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/14/news/companies/delta_united/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote

FOX News
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Nov14/0,4670,DeltaUnited,00.html

are all wrong. The AJC has already amended its story but the original was very interesting. I really do not feel like moving to Chicago.
Am I reading this wrong? In NYTimes, I thought the hedge fund recommend that Delta acquire United not the other way around.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 8:53 PM
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How the hell could United get hold of Delta, Delta is a much stronger airline financially....???
You would be amaized how clearly money talks. To the people trying to force it through it has nothing to do with the good of the people. It has nothing to do with who has the better balance sheet. It has everything to do with who can poney up the most money to acquire the competition and how fast the bought out creditors can pad their pockets.

Lord help... to describe the implications of this merge, its effect, and how they might get it done I would need pages. I see it in my head but I don't have the time to write pages on a rumor.
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It's not so much the idea that Delta is in a fiscally better shape than United. The big thing in this game is brand-recognition. If this were to pass (and I am thinking more and more that this shan't) UAL's brand is more recognised in Asia than DL, and right now the airlines are chomping at the bit to get more Asia routes under their belts. With an Asian/European network like UAL's and a domestic/Latin American/European network like Delta's, the combined carrier would be a formidable force to reckon with. And their hubs are quite complimentary: LA Metro/SLC-DEN/ORD-CVG/IAD/ATL/JFK/LHR-CDG/NRT. With the new Open Skies agreement between the EU and the USA this merger, again if it were to come to pass, would develop an insanely strong truly Worldwide Carrier.

That's why I love this business...never a boring day on the job!
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 8:57 PM
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Am I reading this wrong? In NYTimes, I thought the hedge fund recommend that Delta acquire United not the other way around.
nope your reading it right. The the acquirer go the spoils. In this case the World Headquarters, the Name, the Everything after that. That hedge fund is actually sugesting that United rip Delta away from Atlanta. You may not like Delta but it has given plenty to this city since it first moved its Headquarters here in the 1940's.

I LOVE MY COMPANY if I have to cry out "Keep Delta My Delta" to another member of the Star Alliance then so be it. This would be a disasterous move on every level... exept to our creditors that is.
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nope your reading it right. The the acquirer go the spoils. In this case the World Headquarters, the Name, the Everything after that. That hedge fund is actually sugesting that United rip Delta away from Atlanta. You may not like Delta but it has given plenty to this city since it first moved its Headquarters here in the 1940's.

I LOVE MY COMPANY if I have to cry out "Keep Delta My Delta" to another member of the Star Alliance then so be it. This would be a disasterous move on every level... exept to our creditors that is.
how much influence can a hedge fund have when they hold less than 3% of delta's stock?
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 9:03 PM
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nope your reading it right. The the acquirer go the spoils. In this case the World Headquarters, the Name, the Everything after that. That hedge fund is actually sugesting that United rip Delta away from Atlanta. You may not like Delta but it has given plenty to this city since it first moved its Headquarters here in the 1940's.

I LOVE MY COMPANY if I have to cry out "Keep Delta My Delta" to another member of the Star Alliance then so be it. This would be a disasterous move on every level... exept to our creditors that is.
Ok wait, why do the acquirer have to go the spoils with everything you named? I assumed if you acquire somebody than you can actually keeps the brand/HQ.

Despite some unlikable qualities of Delta, I certainly don't want them to be transfer from Atlanta to another city. I mean they do contribute a lot to the city b/c than Strek and I have nothing to disagree over.
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