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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 1:42 PM
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So is this the one we already knew about from a year ago, or is it another? It would be great if there were high-rises on the two vacant corners at that intersection.



[QUOTE=Evergrey;3163563]Oakland Skyscraper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 2:58 PM
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(quoting Brian O'Neill)

Those statistics didn't come up at the hearing. I got them when I Googled around later at the office, then pulled out a calculator. We should have no illusions that Pittsburgh will annex anything because not only is it too late, Pennsylvania law and politics make it impossible.
Didn't Pittsburgh forcibly annex Allegheny City in 1907? Was there
any annexation attempts after that? When did the laws change?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 3:23 PM
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Good points Pa Pride. I think there is a bit of perspective thats missing. Most of these comparisons are relative. Pittsburgh is not in the same boat as Atlanta, Miami, Phoenix or Seattle. We are in the same boat as Detroit, St. Louis, Buffalo and Cleveland. Having recently been to these cities, Pittsburgh is, by far, ahead of the game. All of these cities are suffering from a loss of population and jobs.
Pittsburgh is not "far ahead" of St. Louis. Pittsburgh and St. Louis
have a fair bit in common: big rivers, empty airports, two main
business areas (downtowns, Oakland/Clayton MO), large parks (schenley,
forest park), 3 new sports stadiums (but no NBA team), casinos,
universities (cmu/pitt, wustl/slu), big hospitals (upmc, barnes/jewish
in the CWE), Inclines vs Arch, etc.

Pittsburgh's transportation infrastructure is in worse shape (St Louis
has better highways and actually has light rail service from
downtown/Clayton to the airport, our airport is a long drive out
parkway west).
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 3:42 PM
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Didn't Pittsburgh forcibly annex Allegheny City in 1907? Was there
any annexation attempts after that? When did the laws change?
The laws changed right after Allegheny City was forcibly annexed.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 3:58 PM
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The major problem with Annexation by Pittsburgh isn't just that its hard to do (although it is as a result of the Allegheny City debacle) Its that there is no where to annex. Sun belt cities don't expand by annexing existing municipalities, they do so by annexing unincorporated land...mostly commercial developments. They will go so far as to annex 6 inches along a highway to avoid residential development (residents cost a lot of money to service while commercial land has a higher taxable value) and then absorb a shopping center.

This is why if you were to lay out a map of Dallas corp. limits over Pittsburgh you would be picking up parts of Ohio and West Virginia.

Pittsburgh doesn't have any unincorporated land, just the strangling mass of tiny municipalities. Someone should do a study of exactly what it costs to maintain 113 municipal manager salaries...ridiculous.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 6:57 PM
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Pittsburgh is not "far ahead" of St. Louis. Pittsburgh and St. Louis
have a fair bit in common: big rivers, empty airports, two main
business areas (downtowns, Oakland/Clayton MO), large parks (schenley,
forest park), 3 new sports stadiums (but no NBA team), casinos,
universities (cmu/pitt, wustl/slu), big hospitals (upmc, barnes/jewish
in the CWE), Inclines vs Arch, etc.

Pittsburgh's transportation infrastructure is in worse shape (St Louis
has better highways and actually has light rail service from
downtown/Clayton to the airport, our airport is a long drive out
parkway west).
I don't think you make a fair comparison between Pgh and St. Louis. While I will defer to your understanding of traffic infrastructure, I have to take issue with your other comparisons. Pitt/CMU/UPMC/CHP are MUCH more prestigious than their equivalents in St. Louis (with the notable exception being Washington University). Pgh several very large parks, not one. Our togography makes us an outdoorsman's dream. St Louis sits in the middle of the continent, whereas Pgh is close enough to the Atlantic to make non-stop European flights.

Pretty much the only thing St Louis has on Pgh is Nelly, and I wouldn't exactly call that a plus for them.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 8:04 PM
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Let's not get into a Pittsburgh vs. St. Louis — match.

anyways..... here's some good news on the wage front

http://pittsburgh.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2007/11/12/daily11.html?surround=lfn

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 10:20 AM EST

Allegheny County wages with biggest increase statewide

Pittsburgh Business Times

The average weekly wage increased 8.1 percent in Allegheny County in the first quarter of 2007 from the previous year, the largest advance in the commonwealth, the U.S. Department of Labor said Tuesday.

Among Pennsylvania's 19 large counties, three had average weekly wages exceeding $1,000 in the first quarter of 2007 -- Montgomery ($1,176), Chester ($1,117), and Philadelphia ($1,038). Allegheny County was next in the commonwealth, averaging $946.

Westmoreland County had the second-lowest average wage ($659) in the commonwealth, ahead of only Lackawanna County ($634).

The average weekly wage in Pennsylvania was $849, $36 below the nationwide level, ranking 16th among the 50 states and the District of Columbia.



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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 8:33 PM
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Good points Pa Pride. I think there is a bit of perspective thats missing. Most of these comparisons are relative. Pittsburgh is not in the same boat as Atlanta, Miami, Phoenix or Seattle. We are in the same boat as Detroit, St. Louis, Buffalo and Cleveland. Having recently been to these cities, Pittsburgh is, by far, ahead of the game. All of these cities are suffering from a loss of population and jobs. Pittsburgh has held together quite well, from what Ive seen. I truly believe that a foundation has been set and the rest will follow. It is already begun.

One of the most important of the changes that has taken place here, and the importance often overlooked, is the conversion of the riverfronts to parks. This has laid a good foundation for a future of inner city neighborhoods. The South Side Works, The North Shore, Downtown residential towers would not be happening if it werent for the beautification of the rivers, tho not finished, it is the commitment that is evident and developers see this commitment. Transportation, jobs and sluggish politicians are a common problem in most cities, even booming ones. They are not unique to Pittsburgh.

The problem with the job market is a circular argument. Yes there might be more job opportunities in Phoenix, but the population there is swelling, creating more jobs and attracting more employers. It is far more than just having better tax climate and more to the sun. The communities there are battling each other as far as tax incentives, like everywhere else. Mesa, Scottsdale, Glendale and Tempe are all pulling jobs from Phoenix, same battle, different players. From what Ive seen, Phoenix is struggling to keep it's more affluent population from leaving to it's neighbors. Even the boom cities have their battles. Pittsburgh's battle with the loss of industry has been far more critical, which makes me so impressed on how it has stood it's ground.

Las Vegas, the fastest growing city, has no city amenities. There were billions being spent on the strip. Huge decadent hotels going up, likely with huge subsidies, while the rest of the city off the strip it is a dismal spread of cheap strip malls melting into an endless sea of generic neighborhoods, rich and poor.

It is going to be hard to stay afloat in the job market, especially the climate that I believe is coming nationally. It will not be unique to Pittsburgh. We may not have the transportation system that we want, or maybe need. Most cities don't. We do have a stong infrastructure for good urban neighborhoods and most cities don't have that. The sprawling boom towns are going to be hit hard with gasoline crunch that is coming. I believe the future will hold alot more federal funds available for mass transit as the country will finally come to grips with it's love affair with the automoble, highways, traffic and oil. Pittsburgh is uniquely positioned to accomodate a region better served by mass transit than overcrowded freeways.

With all the complaints of transportation here, Pittsburgh has one of the shortest commute times and still has one of the strongest Downtowns in the country.

All the complaints of the current condition of downtown Pittsburgh. You'd be hard pressed to find a downtown Phoenix, or shops in downtown St Louis, LA, Atlanta or Miami...

This doomsday scenerio that plagues Pittsburgh is one of the unique problems to Pittsburgh. It's always the end of the world here. This is like a virus that infects people here.

This may be a morbid thought, but the changing climate will prove to be beneficial to this area. There will be a great battle for water in the future. My theory is, the same way people have fled to the sun in the 80s and the 90s, they will begin a search of water and a more sustainable lifestyle in the future. Atlanta is dying of thirst. These "Sun Belt" cities will soon be clammering for the waters of the Great Lakes. The talks of pipelines have already begun. Im hoping we have the proper politicians to protect them. Miami has a jungle of empty condo towers, built on speculation. Atlanta has a great subway system that no one uses, (atleast thats how it appears sitting in traffic), traffic that will choke this city. This system of moving farther and farther from city centers is becoming unmanageable

The migration has already begun in my eyes, as so many friends and family, long lost to the "affluent" sunny spots are planning to return here. Not because of taxes, jobs or water, but quite simply it is so affordable and sustainable here. Pittsburgh has largely been spared the great mortgage collapse that has happened out west or down south. This won't show as a great population swell here, as most are singles or empty nesters, but they are affluent, and they are coming. 50% of my clients have moved here from out of state, 60% of them are returning with spouse in tow.


Hell yeah, man. I agree with most of what you say and I think you have it pretty well thought out.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 8:34 PM
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I don't think you make a fair comparison between Pgh and St. Louis.

My main point here was to disagree with the OP who stated that PGH was
"far ahead" of a number of places, including STL. I've lived in PGH
for 4 years now, and I lived in STL for 8 years and I'm telling you
from personal experience that it is not true. (I cannot speak for
Detroit, Buffalo, and Cleveland -- never been there.)

It probably isn't worthwhile to start going into detailed comparisons
on this forum, so i'll leave it at that.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 10:19 PM
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time for some pittsburgh lovin' from an outsider who seriously considered making Pittsburgh his new home. I think that locals tend to put more weight on negative news in this era, where it seems we are all bombarded with negative news on a daily basis. It's almost natural to view almost everything with a pessimistic and cynical view nowadays. This is speaking generally, not only in Pittsburgh, but in nearly every major city across the US, people tend to overlook the positive developments and focus on negative ones.

Pittsburgh is an incredible city. How it overcame the collapse of the domestic steel industry to become a high tech city is miraculous. Your downtown is a mini-Manhattan, ultra dense, and framed in one of the best natural settings you could ask for. The inclines are sooo unique and add an exciting character to the city. The bridges in the aptly named "city of bridges" also add tons of character. Your housing market is in great shape, crime is very low for a major city, and you have urban neighborhoods that would be the envy of cities anywhere. Pittsburgh will continue to succeed as an emerging high tech metropolis.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 10:25 PM
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http://www.popcitymedia.com/developmentnews/totino1114.aspx

$60M Chelsea moves forward on Centre, to bring Oakland's first rental units in 30 years

The Chelsea, a $60 million mixed-use project planned for the corner of Center Ave. and Craig St. in Oakland, is moving forward. Located on a 1.4-acre site that currently houses a Pittsburgh Parking Authority lot, the 17-story project will feature 300 rental units, commercial space and parking for 450 cars.

Project developer Guy Totino of Polaris Real Estate Equities is in the process of resolving zoning issues and variances with the city. “The city is very supportive. We’ve met with both neighborhood groups in Oakland and they’re both very supportive. It’s a question of how it’s going to get done, not whether it’s going to get done,” says Totino.

Units will include one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments, as well as loft-style studios. “The last new rental project built in Oakland was probably thirty-plus years ago. It’s an excellent site for mixed-use. The city has targeted it for residential. Oakland is vibrant, very dense and growing. The use complements the area,” adds Totino. “We've designed it to be very respectful of the streetscape, to make the retail fit the area. We’d love to attract some grocery use and a coffee shop—it’s a destination neighborhood.”

The project, which will have a Centre Ave. entrance, will continue onto N. Dithridge and Craig Sts. “It’s a corridor experiencing tremendous commercial growth, with everything that UPMC and CMU are doing. It’s taken us three years; we've had a lot of stamina. It fills a tremendous need,” adds Totino, who says that The Chelsea will be designed by MacLachlan, Cornelius & Filoni Architects. Contractor is Massaro Corporation. The 24-month project is expected to break ground during the summer of 2008.

Writer: Jennifer Baron
Source: Guy Totino, Polaris Real Estate Equities



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Very promising looking!

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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 12:04 AM
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Penguins Officials Debut New Sketches Of Arena

http://kdka.com/sports/Penguins.arena.sketches.2.566854.html

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ―

Officials with the Pittsburgh Penguins have unveiled updated sketches of the new arena in the city's Uptown neighborhood.

The arena will include all of the best features from arenas around the country and will seat more than 18,000 fans. It will also have a glass atrium and open-air concourses so fans won't miss any part of the games.

The outside of the structure will be designed to blend in with existing buildings on Centre Avenue.

The arena is slated to open in 2010.





Be sure to watch the video report on the linked page ... they mention a potential hotel!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 12:30 AM
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I don't know about the Chelsea... It doesn't look bad; But it isn't that intriguing either.

Maybe the 1 sq inch picture just doesn't show the details well enough. Hehe...


As for new arena: I love this modern style of arena that is designed to meld into the environment it's built... Like PNC park also. I hate the old style arenas built in the middle of an ocean of parking (mellon arena is a perfect example). The design looks modern and interesting enough i suppose. It will be an interesting contrast to see such a large modern structure, built next to that large, ancient church. Both architecturally interesting in their own ways!!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 12:33 AM
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time for some pittsburgh lovin' from an outsider who seriously considered making Pittsburgh his new home. I think that locals tend to put more weight on negative news in this era, where it seems we are all bombarded with negative news on a daily basis. It's almost natural to view almost everything with a pessimistic and cynical view nowadays. This is speaking generally, not only in Pittsburgh, but in nearly every major city across the US, people tend to overlook the positive developments and focus on negative ones.

Pittsburgh is an incredible city. How it overcame the collapse of the domestic steel industry to become a high tech city is miraculous. Your downtown is a mini-Manhattan, ultra dense, and framed in one of the best natural settings you could ask for. The inclines are sooo unique and add an exciting character to the city. The bridges in the aptly named "city of bridges" also add tons of character. Your housing market is in great shape, crime is very low for a major city, and you have urban neighborhoods that would be the envy of cities anywhere. Pittsburgh will continue to succeed as an emerging high tech metropolis.

Thank you!!! good assessment. And you are right. Pittsburgh is awesome. you have good taste!
     
     
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Yea for North Oakland!!

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http://www.popcitymedia.com/developmentnews/totino1114.aspx

$60M Chelsea moves forward on Centre, to bring Oakland's first rental units in 30 years

The Chelsea, a $60 million mixed-use project planned for the corner of Center Ave. and Craig St. in Oakland, is moving forward. Located on a 1.4-acre site that currently houses a Pittsburgh Parking Authority lot, the 17-story project will feature 300 rental units, commercial space and parking for 450 cars.

Project developer Guy Totino of Polaris Real Estate Equities is in the process of resolving zoning issues and variances with the city. “The city is very supportive. We’ve met with both neighborhood groups in Oakland and they’re both very supportive. It’s a question of how it’s going to get done, not whether it’s going to get done,” says Totino.

Units will include one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments, as well as loft-style studios. “The last new rental project built in Oakland was probably thirty-plus years ago. It’s an excellent site for mixed-use. The city has targeted it for residential. Oakland is vibrant, very dense and growing. The use complements the area,” adds Totino. “We've designed it to be very respectful of the streetscape, to make the retail fit the area. We’d love to attract some grocery use and a coffee shop—it’s a destination neighborhood.”

The project, which will have a Centre Ave. entrance, will continue onto N. Dithridge and Craig Sts. “It’s a corridor experiencing tremendous commercial growth, with everything that UPMC and CMU are doing. It’s taken us three years; we've had a lot of stamina. It fills a tremendous need,” adds Totino, who says that The Chelsea will be designed by MacLachlan, Cornelius & Filoni Architects. Contractor is Massaro Corporation. The 24-month project is expected to break ground during the summer of 2008.

Writer: Jennifer Baron
Source: Guy Totino, Polaris Real Estate Equities



Photo courtesy of Polaris Real Estate Equities

I glad to see this one moving forward. As PA Pride said, the rendering is ok, not great. But still, I'm so glad to see that gravel parking lot finally replaced.
     
     
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I really like the new renderings of the arena.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 5:55 AM
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more on the arena

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07318/833624-52.stm

New Penguins arena design unveiled

The team's design firm says the facility incorporates elements from nearly every major hockey venue in the nation


Wednesday, November 14, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins unveiled their master plan for the new arena yesterday, one that will feature retail space on Fifth Avenue and a 500-space parking garage for fans and commuters as well as a state-of-the art 18,500-seat venue for hockey games and other events.

The signature piece of the $290 million building will be a glass atrium that will stretch between Fifth and Centre avenues and run from 40 to 80 feet high, offering sweeping views of the Downtown skyline. An outdoor plaza will overlook the city on the Fifh Avenue side, some 80 feet above ground.

"The site is absolutely the best in Pittsburgh," Penguins Chief Executive Officer Ken Sawyer said yesterday.

Inside, the arena will offer the cream of the crop in terms of amenities, including a high-definition video scoreboard, wider and more comfortable seats, and more spacious concourses.

Parts of the building also will feature "open" concourses, where fans will be able to grab a hot dog or a drink while watching the action unfold on the ice below.

"We are picking the best of the best and putting it in this building," said Wayne C. London, principal for HOK Sport, the arena designer.

Mr. Sawyer said the Penguins visited virtually every National Hockey League arena in the country, some more than once, in gathering ideas for their new home. They've incorporated elements from venues in Minnesota, Boston, Phoenix and North Carolina.

"No one arena is the absolute. We've looked at them all. We liked elements of every one," he said.

The Penguins discussed the details yesterday in submitting a master development plan for the arena to the city planning commission for approval. It includes not only the arena itself, but also a four-level, 500-space parking garage to be built adjacent to it, a 150-space parking lot and staging area for events, 2.5 acres of green space, and the former St. Francis Central Hospital site, which is being reserved for future development.

Mr. Sawyer said one potential use for the St. Francis site, along Centre Avenue, could be a hotel.

The garage, which will be attached to the arena, will be open to commuters during the day. It will be reserved for season ticket holders, suite holders and sponsors during events.

The Penguins are planning to add retail space along Fifth Avenue to blend with the commercial, office and restaurant uses on the opposite side of the street.

The main entrance to the new arena will be a plaza at Washington Place and Centre Avenue. There also will be an entrance on Centre, and a third at Washington Place and Fifth Avenue, where fans will enter at street level and take escalators to the main concourse.

While the Penguins considered a number of different schemes for the arena, they eventually settled on a more traditional design that looks a bit like a cross between PNC Park and the proposed North Shore casino.

The building ended up being mostly rectangular.

Along with the wall of glass on the west side of the building will be a mostly brick facade on the south side, facing Fifth Avenue, as architects tried to create a design "that fits in with the neighborhood," Mr. Sawyer said. He believes the overall effect will be "exceptional."

Mr. Sawyer said the team is still trying to keep the cost of the arena at $290 million without sacrificing quality. It is on pace to get into the heart of the construction by next summer, with earth and foundation work expected to start in the spring. The arena is on target to be completed by the start of the 2010-11 hockey season.

The arena master plan will be the subject of a briefing before the planning commission Nov. 27. That will be followed by a public hearing Dec . 11, with a vote set for Jan. 11.

Mark Belko can be reached at [email protected] or 412-263-1262.





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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_537817.html

Penguins say arena will fit in

By Andrew Conte
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, November 14, 2007


The new Uptown arena will help make the Penguins better neighbors this time around, officials said Tuesday.
Despite having 18,500 seats and an eight-story glass wall facing the city, the arena should look like it fits with the buildings around it, team CEO Ken Sawyer said.

"What we're trying to do is match the character of the neighborhood," he said.

The team submitted its arena designs yesterday to the city Planning Commission, which is expected to hear a briefing Nov. 27, take a preliminary vote next month and consider final approval in January.

Team officials hope to break ground before summer and open for the 2010 season.
Surrounded by parking lots, Mellon Arena has a more suburban design, said Don Carter, president of Urban Design Associates, a Downtown-based consulting group hired by the team and city. The new arena will fit into an urban plan.

The city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority plans to raze Mellon Arena for a 28-acre neighborhood development after the new building opens.

"A lot of people have had some input," Carter said. "This is the (design) most people were comfortable with."

After meetings with residents, public officials and other stakeholders, the arena designs changed from a contemporary river theme to a more traditional look, said Wayne London, an architect with HOK Sport of Kansas City.

The proposed arena would have more brick on its exterior and fewer contemporary metal panels. It would have 2.5 acres of green space, with outdoor plazas for community events. Along Fifth Avenue, the facade would be broken up to look more like nearby buildings.

A glass atrium facing Downtown would stretch along Washington Avenue and be topped by an outdoor balcony with restaurants.

A four-story, 500-space parking garage would sit on the opposite side of the arena with a surface parking lot and space for a hotel.

Penguins officials traveled around the league to see what they wanted inside the building.

They picked the top-down entry points from Minnesota, open lounges in North Carolina, the larger seat sizes in Phoenix and Boston's high-definition electronic screen, Sawyer said.

The arena would have wider interior concourses than Mellon Arena, as well as places where fans could access concession stands and still be able to watch the action on the ice.

"We are picking the best of the best and putting it in this building," London said.

While the team is trying to stick to a $290 million budget, Sawyer said the price could go up before construction managers set a guaranteed maximum price next summer.

The public would share in cost increases up to $310 million. After that, the Penguins will pick up any cost overruns.

The state is paying $8.5 million upfront and $7.5 million a year for 30 years. Majestic Star Casino agreed to pay $7.5 million a year for 30 years. The team is paying $4.2 million a year toward the arena and $500,000 a year for the parking garage.



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It's an apartment building. As long as it looks nice/decent that's fine. Oakland should have more of this size. Take Oakland out of Pittsburgh and people would talk about that job engine fast growing city of Oakland. The city really needs to use Oakland's strength's to build in itself and the city.
     
     
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Deal or no deal: Barden's behemoth leaves much to be desired

Wednesday, November 14, 2007
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

"It's got to fit into the landscape." That's what Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato said in September of the proposed parking garage for the Majestic Star Casino on the North Side.

Early last week, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl asked for changes to the massive garage and a commitment to an environmentally friendly green casino with a prohibition on smoking in at least part of it.

How, then, were Mr. Onorato and Mr. Ravenstahl able to smile so broadly Friday when they announced a deal with casino owner Don Barden that accomplishes so little?

Mr. Barden has agreed to add decorative screening to the Allegheny River side of the parking garage, which will sit behind the casino. He previously had agreed to have screening on other sides of the garage, a device that improves the structure's appearance. But Mr. Barden continues to reject more drastic modifications to his 119-foot garage, which on the North Shore will be dwarfed only by the highest point of Heinz Field, which is 156 feet.

The city's Contextual Design Advisory Panel suggested Mr. Barden increase the atrium at the front of the casino, and the Pittsburgh Civic Design Coalition, a consortium of seven organizations that advocate for quality design, questions why the structure needs to be so large. Rebecca Flora, executive director of the Green Building Alliance, said the 3,800-space garage is akin to a suburban shopping mall that builds parking based on the number of spaces needed the day after Thanksgiving, typically the busiest shopping day of the year.

As for smoking, it is encouraging that Mr. Barden, who has said before that he would have nonsmoking sections in his bars and restaurants, now says the restaurants and meeting spaces will be smoke-free. So far, though, he has not committed to any nonsmoking sections on the — floor.

Pittsburghers want a successful casino, but not one whose facilities foul their lungs or mar the look of their spectacular riverfront. We're anxious to learn more details about the agreement worked out with Mr. Barden. We're not smiling yet.
     
     
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