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Old Posted Nov 7, 2007, 2:20 PM
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Funny thing about monuments...the commies didn't allow photos of the huge Stalin monument in Prague either, and in 1962 they tore it down. They then passed a law mandating that all the photos absolutely had to be destroyed. Of course, plenty of photos exist anyway.
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Atlanta owes Delta airlines to a a bug: the boll wevil. Delta and Coca-Cola are the ultimate Southern companies.


Delta air lines born amid fog of weevil dust
The Commercial Appeal

By Jane Roberts

Wednesday, November 7, 2007

Delta Air Lines, the $17 billion carrier that made Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta the busiest airport in the world, owes its start to the pest with a big snout.

In the 1920s, when much of the most-progressive work in the war on weevils was going on in the Mississippi Delta, a pair of gamblers experimented with one-seat biplanes to disseminate lead arsenate over the fields around Tallulah, La., just across the Mississippi River from Vicksburg, Miss.

The challenge was to quickly distribute an even flow of chemicals across a whole cotton field.

The results obtained by agriculture researcher E.C. Woolman and a partner were so promising that by 1922, the federal government had donated money and World War I-era planes to the effort.

So, from an airstrip cleared in the cotton fields, the third-largest passenger airline in the world took off in the boll weevil-ridden '20s.

"Pick your adjectives -- huge, enormous, gigantic -- they all describe Delta's effect on the economy of the Southeast," said George Hamlin, managing director of Airline Capital Associates outside Washington.

In 2006, nearly 85 million passengers passed through the Atlanta airport, with Delta and its commuter lines accounting for 72 percent of that traffic.

It's a far cry from the mid-1920s when the original company, Huff-Daland Dusters, had 60,000 acres of cotton under contract across the South. As weevils flourished, so too did the company, doing more pesticide spraying by 1927 than all of its competitors combined.

In 1928, Woolman and a group of investors bought out Huff-Daland. Since the purchase was financed entirely with Southern capital, including Coca-Cola investors, the name was changed to Delta Air Service.

By 1930, Delta had expanded into the passenger airline business -- five customers at a time.

"The crop-dusting division put money into the passenger side to keep it going," said James St. Julien, 83, one of the company's last living crop-duster pilots.

"Anybody could fly an airliner with passengers, but very few pilots could be crop dusters.''

Delta paid its crop dusters 30 percent of what it billed farmers. St. Julien said that resulted in take-home pay of "several thousand dollars a week when a clerk at a grocery story was probably making $100."

Today, Delta Air Lines remains a huge player in U.S. aviation, despite a bloody, 2005 bankruptcy.

"In the South, they say you have to fly through Atlanta to get to heaven," said Patrick Murphy aviation consultant at Gerchick-Murphy Associates in Washington.

"That is how synonymous Atlanta and Delta have become."

- Jane Roberts: 529-2512

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1922: An upstart crop-dusting service -- Huff-Daland Dusters -- showed such promise in deterring weevils that the federal government donated money and WWI-era planes.

1927: The company was crop dusting more acreage in the South than competitors combined.

1928: Investors purchase Huff-Daland and rename it Delta Air Service, reflecting the Southern roots of the buyers.

1930: Delta begins offering passenger service. By March 31, the nascent company had assets of $112,600, including $72,000 in airplanes.

1941: Delta linked 16 Southern cities -- mainly with DC3s. It carried 58,208 passengers that year.

1945: Name changed to Delta Air Lines, a lasting tribute to its humble beginnings.
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^Truly remarkable. Delta and Coca-Cola ARE simply synonymous with Atlanta.
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So here are some interesting things hapening in the aviation world around us.

Delta Exec Sees Value in Consolidation
Wednesday November 7, 5:16 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071107/delta.html?.v=2

No longer is merger talk limited to reporters jumping the gun for the story. Delta executives are coming right out and stating that we are actively considering our acquisition options. Now here is the sad truth... read below.

UAL could ground planes if fuel gets too pricey
By Laura Mandaro, MarketWatch
Last Update: 8:08 PM ET Nov 7, 2007

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/un...69%2D9383%2DDA18E142BCFD%7D&siteid=yhoof

The creditors are going ape-sh!t over Delta and are furious that we fought of US Airways. The UA article shows that UA is willing to ground over 100 of their aircraft to remain viable. Giving me the impression that either A) they are all out of international expansion ideas or B) they are preemptively reducing their fleet size to make them more attractive to suitors. Keep in mind that UA is larger than Delta by a very thin margin. Delta already is the second largest carrier in the US by number of passengers carried. Should UA shed 100 aircraft it will make Delta the second largest carrier in the USA by default.

I firmly believe that CO would still be the very best partner for Delta. However, Delta now has a very dark angel sitting on its shoulder. The creditors may heavily push Delta to go with the easiest acquisition rather than the right one. CO may be Mr Right but if UA turns out to be Mr Right-Now it may not be a good day at Delta.

Just some thoughts to keep you through the day.
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UAL and Delta would not work. Forget that their operations in the Western US overlap. How about the a labor-relations nightmare that would result. Aren't they (UAL) trying to acquire Scareways? It's better for Delta not to acquire all the baggage that would come with UAL.

More evidence that Delta and AA are running away from the pack, though AA service sucks.
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UAL and Delta would not work. Forget that their operations in the Western US overlap. How about the a labor-relations nightmare that would result. Aren't they (UAL) trying to acquire Scareways? It's better for Delta not to acquire all the baggage that would come with UAL.

More evidence that Delta and AA are running away from the pack, though AA service sucks.
wow UA hasn't tried getting into bed with US in quite some time. The Federal Antitrust Regulators shut that down.

I never said that it would work I was mearly suggesting that the DL creditors might try to force themselves onto UA. Overlap is a non-issue considering the company can ground as many as they need to push the deal through.
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Rail is right, United would be a disaster - as would NW. Both come complete with very bitter employees that would never integrate well with the culture at Delta.

I would love for Delta to buy Alaska. It would give them a large hub in the Pacific Northwest, and Seattle is the perfect place for Asian expansion. It makes too much sense, so it will probably never happen......
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Rail is right, United would be a disaster - as would NW. Both come complete with very bitter employees that would never integrate well with the culture at Delta.

I would love for Delta to buy Alaska. It would give them a large hub in the Pacific Northwest, and Seattle is the perfect place for Asian expansion. It makes too much sense, so it will probably never happen......
Alaska while an enticing target would likely be priced far over fair market value. If I owned a majority of it, I'd certainly want more than it was worth on paper.
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Rail is right, United would be a disaster - as would NW. Both come complete with very bitter employees that would never integrate well with the culture at Delta.

I would love for Delta to buy Alaska. It would give them a large hub in the Pacific Northwest, and Seattle is the perfect place for Asian expansion. It makes too much sense, so it will probably never happen......
Any consolidation with any other airline is going to be hugely problematic; I think you're right to think that Alaska would be least problematic in terms of size, assets, compatibility of aircraft, no anti-trust issues, etc.
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Yeah Tombstoner, those were my thoughts exactly. When you think of all the possibilities out there, Alaska seems to make the most sense currently.

In the bast case scenario, Continental would probably be the best legacy partner for Delta, but I don't see that happening either.

It's going to be an interesting Winter, that's for sure.
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This may be WAY out in left field, but I wonder if the recent DL - AF/KLM deal isn't a harbinger of a kind of transnational consolidation. I know Virgin America got put through the wringer because UA played the "American-owned" card, but with Open Skies and the kind of creative cooperation that DL has pulled off, DL might grow internationally to a degree that domestic consolidation is no longer an issue for it. It will be an issue for US, Alaska, SW, AirTran and other carriers that don't have similarly close international partners... Just a thought.
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Delta certainly seems more concerned about expanding international service, it would seem more likely to expand overseas than another dinosaur US airline.
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Not possible! The DOT would not allow such a combination without question either under a Democrat or Republican president. You just aren't going to see sucha combination of a large legacy airline and a large foreign airline. US law wouldn't allow even the consideration of such and a change in the laws by Congress would never occur in the current political environment we live.
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Alaska would be a great asset for Continental or Delta, However I think Delta needs the assets and strenghts of Northwest or continetal to build a true total international presences. Meaning for instance using NW close Memphis, scale down Detroit and end the Milwaukee project, Divest the oldest aircraft, redeploy assets to Los Angeles and Salt Lake. Particulalrly LA. IE 747-400's A330's 757's etc used in DTW shifted for use in LAX, opens all of Asia and gives the mainline planes needed to truely hub LA. Use SLC as a semi reliever for LAX as CVG to some extent is for Atl and then you ahve a force to recon with.

Same with Continental, Combine ops either at EWR or JFK, move the large amount of freed up assets to LAX , 767-300/400's 777's 737-800's and 757's and still you have a solid carrier with more jets on hand to open new markets etc. Now I know I made it very simplistic but once issues were worked out, some of the above mentioned things could be gleened and implemented. I guess we shall see sooner than later.
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This is going to be very interesting to watch. Acquiring a domestic airline may help Delta across the USA. However, if there is an acquisition looming on the horizon it will probably be one that helps Delta secure its dominance in NYC. This is going to be very fun to watch!

[B]BIG APPLE BATTLE: To play in the big leagues and score a profitable future, Delta Air Lines is going all out in one of the world's most fiercely competitive markets.[B]

By Jim Tharpe
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/21/07
NEW YORK —-

Delta Air Lines has declared what promises to be an expensive and very uncivil war in the Big Apple.

The Atlanta-based carrier, which emerged from bankruptcy last spring, has decided to bet a huge chunk of its future on one of the most hotly contested markets in the world —- a landscape dominated by well-heeled fliers, aging terminals, crowded airspace and fierce rivals who aren't shy about calling you out by name.

"This is a battleground for us," Delta President Ed Bastian said during a recent interview as he made his way through the frenetic lunch crowds in Midtown Manhattan.

Just a few blocks away, Delta competitor Continental Airlines had hoisted huge billboards near the intersection of Seventh Avenue and West 49th Street. One read: "Who flies to the most destinations in France? (Hint: It ain't Delta.)"

Delta has fired back by naming Mike Medeiros vice president of airport customer service at John F. Kennedy International Airport, one of only two such vice presidents at the airline; the other is Greg Kennedy at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.

The airline has spent $50 million to spruce up two 40-year-old terminals at JFK, the nation's international gateway. And it recently announced 14 new international flights from the hub, with more planned.

"JFK was one of the most difficult decisions we made," Bastian said. "We had to decide if we were going to stay and fight and win in this market or walk out and downsize and become a small little niche carrier."

In the end, Delta decided to play in the big leagues, setting in motion an aggressive series of moves the airline hopes will boost highly lucrative international and top-tier business travel. That strategy, Delta officials hope, will ultimately boost the carrier's bottom line.

The stakes are huge as the major airlines go head to head in an industry dominated by razor-thin margins, soaring fuel costs and near certainty that takeovers and mergers will trim the six legacy carriers to four or fewer within the next decade. Dozens of international airlines fly from JFK, but Delta's primary competitors are old-line domestic carriers Continental and American.

"Atlanta is Delta's home, but New York is up for grabs," said Joan Vincenz, Delta's marketing director of global development. "Delta has to be here. If we didn't think we could win, we wouldn't be here."

The airline recently took out full-page ads in The New York Times touting what it calls "T2," the JFK terminal dedicated to its upscale passengers. A refurbished Pan Am facility, T2 —- one of nine terminals at JFK —- is at the center of Delta's New York battle plan. T3 is primarily for Delta's domestic flights.

With its no-wait security lines and business-class lounge with wooden-door showers, the terminal focuses on Delta's plan to pamper its highest-paying customers—-those who sit in the front of the plane and worry more about time and convenience than the cost of a ticket.

Some of those customers could be paying $10,000 per seat next year when Delta introduces its new "lie-flat" seats that collapse into beds for its transoceanic flights.

A recent rainy Wednesday found Business Elite and Medallion passengers at Delta's JFK lounge nibbling on fruit and cheese, sipping free drinks and taking turns lounging in black-leather massage chairs as they awaited their flights.

Delta has contracted with U.S. Helicopter for another premium perk. It flies its top-paying customers to and from JFK aboard an eight-passenger chopper that can reduce the commute time to Midtown or Lower Manhattan from more than an hour by traffic-snarled taxi to about eight minutes in the air.

Delta still needs the passengers who search the Internet for the best possible deals on air travel. Those fliers fill the bulk of its seats. But the airline believes it is the big spenders like those who await boarding calls in the upscale JFK lounge who will drive future profits.

Atlanta is by far Delta's fortress in this fight, with 1,000 daily flights and 118 million "available seat miles," the metric airlines use to gauge performance. Cincinnati comes in second for number of flights, about 400 daily. But the New York market is Delta's No. 2 hub in available seat miles and revenue.

"Cincinnati and Salt Lake City are nice hubs, but they are small," Bastian said. "They can't take on the weight of Atlanta to provide some counterbalance. New York can."

Pam Elledge, Delta's senior vice president for global sales and distribution, estimates that one in four of Delta's premium customers comes through the New York market: JFK, La Guardia or Newark. Most fly from JFK.

She helped host a gathering earlier this month for New York-area corporate travel planners and travel agents at a Delta function in Midtown Manhattan.

After a few welcoming remarks, Elledge pointed to a stunning statistic that shows why the airlines are battling over the city. There was, she said, more than $1 billion worth of revenue wandering around the room that night.

"New York will be one of the most profitable areas we have," Elledge said in an interview. "This is a long-term commitment for us."

That commitment is not without considerable risks. The U.S. Department of Transportation has called on the airlines to meet later this month to discuss how to reduce chronic delays out of the New York area, one of the most crowded airspaces in the world.

And Delta will have to look at spending big bucks if it continues to focus on JFK.

In Atlanta, the airline plans to spend about $100 million to upgrade its antiquated luggage-handling system. Any major attempt to upgrade the JFK facilities—-moving to another terminal or building another one—-could cost much more.

"It could be $1 billion; it could be $2 billion," Bastian said. "You're talking billions, not millions, when you talk about New York."


DALE E. DODSON / Staff
INTERNATIONAL CROSSROADS
JFK International Airport is New York's gateway to the world. Among airlines operating there: Aeroflot (Russia), Aerop Mexico,
Air China, Air France, Austrian Airlines, Japan Airlines, Korean Air, Turkish Airlines, South Arican Airways, Biman Bangladesh,
LOT Polish and British Airways.

Map of JFK International Airport locates the nine terminals, including Delta's terminals (2 and 3).

Source: Port Authority of New York and New Jersey
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This is going to be very interesting to watch. Acquiring a domestic airline may help Delta across the USA. However, if there is an acquisition looming on the horizon it will probably be one that helps Delta secure its dominance in NYC. This is going to be very fun to watch!
Secure it's dominance? You say it as if they already have it, when they don't. Continental is the largest airline in the New York region, then American Airlines, then jetBlue, and fourth is Delta. And the differences are not small - American Airlines is ahead by Delta in the New York City region in the millions of passengers.

Personally, I think the best option for Delta to merge with is American. Their route maps overlap quite nicely. They could shut-down Cincinnati and Cleveland, they would have a combined significant operation at JFK, LAX, and BOS. They would dominate Latin America and Europe (it was only last year that Delta overtook AA as the largest U.S. carrier to Europe), not to mention Africa and the Middle East. The only weak point would be Asia. And, even more importantly, their fleets overlap.
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Continental is the largest airline in the New York region
Since NY looms large in Delta's future, why wouldn't a Continental-Delta merger be a better option than American?? I don't see a Delta-American merger for several reasons. Neither airline really wants it, and the feds won't allow it.
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