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Old Posted Nov 10, 2007, 9:02 AM
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I think you're thinking of the river in Charlotte.
are you sure there is a river in Charlotte? Can't remember where it is.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2007, 10:07 AM
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First I've heard:

Zilker Park Residences
http://lifeonthepark.com/index.php
Here is the article on that Zilker Park condo project, "Zilker Park Residences".

As mentioned a few days ago by Goldenboot, the site is zoned for 60 feet. The developers had considered going as high as 120 feet. I'm actually glad they didn't go that tall there. I think it would have been out of character for the area. Just think of a building being only 3 or 4 stories shy of being the same height as the Zilker Christmas tree, and you start to see why that would be a bad idea. It would have blocked the view of it from the east at least from a few places. I've always loved being able to see the tree from downtown along the bridges as you cross the river.
http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/realestate/11/10/1110zilker.html

Here's an aerial rendering of it, albeit conceptual.
http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/02/96/68/image_6068962.jpg
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are you sure there is a river in Charlotte? Can't remember where it is.
Yep. Charlotte opened some sort of whitewater river thing. It's not downtown, but it's in the city somewhere. I want to say that it was brought up when a whitewater waller creek was suggested.
     
     
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World Almanac facts

I don't know if any of you follow this or care, but the World Almanac has listings of the tallest buildings by city in the US, Canada, and Mexico. The cut-off is 400', and the city has to have at least 3 buildings over that height to be listed (buildings over that height in cities without at least 3 are shown in another list at the end of the section).

Last year, Austin did not appear, and Frost and 360 were shown in the appendix list.

The new issue shows this:

*360 Condominiums (incl. spire) (2007) 562 44
Frost Bank Tower (2003) 515 42
*Altavida (2008) 416 36

No mention of Austonian or others. At least it's progress.

Actual list should look like this (do I have it right?)

*The Austonian (2009) 683 56
*360 Condos (incl. spire) (2008) 562 44
Frost Bank (2003) 515 42
*W Austin Hotel & Residences (2009) 433 36
*Spring Condos (2009) 432 41
*Altavida (2008) 416 36


Next year, there ought to at least be one more...

21c Austin (2010) 550 44

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It was a HUGE mistake. The then president of OWANA (I can't remember her name at the moment) push for that parking lot. Whole Foods wanted a variance to build to the street. Another parking lot mistake on that corner is the strip center that houses the Waterloos .
I THINK the prez at the time was our friend Laura Morrison, now the prez of the ANC, and rumored to be running for city council. The leadership before her involvement would never have done anything that irresponsible, that's for sure.

Not 100% sure it was Morrison, but I don't remember any other female presidents of OWANA since I lived there.
     
     
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It was Laura Morrison, and she IS running for city council. I'd vote for Satan himself before I'd vote for her.

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I don't know if any of you follow this or care, but the World Almanac has listings of the tallest buildings by city in the US, Canada, and Mexico. The cut-off is 400', and the city has to have at least 3 buildings over that height to be listed (buildings over that height in cities without at least 3 are shown in another list at the end of the section).

Last year, Austin did not appear, and Frost and 360 were shown in the appendix list.

The new issue shows this:

*360 Condominiums (incl. spire) (2007) 562 44
Frost Bank Tower (2003) 515 42
*Altavida (2008) 416 36

No mention of Austonian or others. At least it's progress.

Actual list should look like this (do I have it right?)

*The Austonian (2009) 683 56
*360 Condos (incl. spire) (2008) 562 44
Frost Bank (2003) 515 42
*W Austin Hotel & Residences (2009) 433 36
*Spring Condos (2009) 432 41
*Altavida (2008) 416 36


Next year, there ought to at least be one more...

21c Austin (2010) 550 44
Yeah, that looks about right.
     
     
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The heights in the World Almanac actually come from Emporis.com, which are added by myself, (I'm an editor for the site). If you look at the credits for the building heights on the last page of the building height listing, you'll see the name Marshall Gerometta. He's a senior editor at Emporis and one of the die hard building height collecting nerds. Years ago the World Almanac editors called Marshall to get him to update their lists for US cities. They had always listed skyscrapers for their almanac, but didn't really have a dedicated person to keep track of the progress on skyscrapers with their construction and development. Marshall of course was very dedicated, he's been collecting building heights for about 35 years. He's been keeping his own list for about that long, and used to have a website. Since becoming a senior editor at Emporis however, he scrapped his website, but still keeps his own list on an MS Excel file, as well as being the main "height hound" at Emporis. In 2002 he came down to Austin and I met up with him and we walked around downtown for a bit and even got a few building heights.

That list JGFrisco posted is right, for the most part, but I do see a few heights that need to be updated. That info must have been gathered before I updated the heights. For instance, the height listed for Altavida. We had originally heard 416 feet, at least that's what a man at the construction site told me a year ago. But as it turns out from the blueprints, the height is actually 412 feet tall. 360 Condos should be 563 feet, not 562 feet. Frost Bank Tower does NOT have 42 floors. Spring is supposed to be 434 feet apparently, not 432 feet. 21C should be listed as 580 feet. The 550 foot height was what was originally listed.

Here is how the list should look: * indicates it's under construction. The Almanac does not list buildings that are merely proposed or even approved. They either have to be completed, or officially under construction.

*The Austonian - 683 feet - 56 floors - 2010
*360 Condominiums - 563 feet - 44 floors - 2008
Frost Bank Tower - 515 feet - 33 floors - 2004
*Spring - 434 feet - 42 floors - 2010
*W Austin Hotel & Residences - 433 feet - 35 floors - 2009
*Altavida - 412 feet - 37 floors - 2009

The Almanac's list has gotten longer and longer through the years of course as cities grow. I remember seeing height lists in there that went down to 300 feet, then 350 feet. Now though they only go down to 400 feet. This of course is because cities are growing, more buildings are being built and it makes the list so long that they don't have enough room in the book.

It's funny to look at Austin through the years on their list. Back in the early 90s they had only a few buildings listed, mostly this was because they didn't have heights for everything, and they just didn't have someone on their staff that was familiar enough with every American city to list everything. To be fair, it's a huge task. One American Center, One Congress Plaza, Bank of America Center, Chase Bank Center, the Capitol and the UT Tower were listed, even though there were taller buildings that should have also been included. Then they changed the cut off point to 350 feet, so Austin only had 2 on the list, One American Center (395 feet 32 floors), and One Congress Plaza (391 feet 30 floors). It should have been three, because the Dobie Center is 367 feet tall with 29 floors. Then around 2000, they made the cutoff point 400 feet. At that point Austin didn't have anything over 400 feet tall. It wasn't until the 2002 Almanac was published that Austin was back on the list again with the Frost Bank Tower. The city was listed on the last pages of the height list in an area with other cities that had fewer than 2 buildings over 400 feet.

Now though with several 400 footers on the way and at least two 500 footers and a 600 footer, Austin will likely have a place on the list for quite sometime.
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The heights in the World Almanac actually come from Emporis.com, which are added by myself, (I'm an editor for the site). If you look at the credits for the building heights on the last page of the building height listing, you'll see the name Marshall Gerometta. He's a senior editor at Emporis and one of the die hard building height collecting nerds. Years ago the World Almanac editors called Marshall to get him to update their lists for US cities. They had always listed skyscrapers for their almanac, but didn't really have a dedicated person to keep track of the progress on skyscrapers with their construction and development. Marshall of course was very dedicated, he's been collecting building heights for about 35 years. He's been keeping his own list for about that long, and used to have a website. Since becoming a senior editor at Emporis however, he scrapped his website, but still keeps his own list on an MS Excel file, as well as being the main "height hound" at Emporis. In 2002 he came down to Austin and I met up with him and we walked around downtown for a bit and even got a few building heights.

That list JGFrisco posted is right, for the most part, but I do see a few heights that need to be updated. That info must have been gathered before I updated the heights. For instance, the height listed for Altavida. We had originally heard 416 feet, at least that's what a man at the construction site told me a year ago. But as it turns out from the blueprints, the height is actually 412 feet tall. 360 Condos should be 563 feet, not 562 feet. Frost Bank Tower does NOT have 42 floors. Spring is supposed to be 434 feet apparently, not 432 feet. 21C should be listed as 580 feet. The 550 foot height was what was originally listed.

Here is how the list should look: * indicates it's under construction. The Almanac does not list buildings that are merely proposed or even approved. They either have to be completed, or officially under construction.

*The Austonian - 683 feet - 56 floors - 2010
*360 Condominiums - 563 feet - 44 floors - 2008
Frost Bank Tower - 515 feet - 33 floors - 2004
*Spring - 434 feet - 42 floors - 2010
*W Austin Hotel & Residences - 433 feet - 35 floors - 2009
*Altavida - 412 feet - 37 floors - 2009

The Almanac's list has gotten longer and longer through the years of course as cities grow. I remember seeing height lists in there that went down to 300 feet, then 350 feet. Now though they only go down to 400 feet. This of course is because cities are growing, more buildings are being built and it makes the list so long that they don't have enough room in the book.

It's funny to look at Austin through the years on their list. Back in the early 90s they had only a few buildings listed, mostly this was because they didn't have heights for everything, and they just didn't have someone on their staff that was familiar enough with every American city to list everything. To be fair, it's a huge task. One American Center, One Congress Plaza, Bank of America Center, Chase Bank Center, the Capitol and the UT Tower were listed, even though there were taller buildings that should have also been included. Then they changed the cut off point to 350 feet, so Austin only had 2 on the list, One American Center (395 feet 32 floors), and One Congress Plaza (391 feet 30 floors). It should have been three, because the Dobie Center is 367 feet tall with 29 floors. Then around 2000, they made the cutoff point 400 feet. At that point Austin didn't have anything over 400 feet tall. It wasn't until the 2002 Almanac was published that Austin was back on the list again with the Frost Bank Tower. The city was listed on the last pages of the height list in an area with other cities that had fewer than 2 buildings over 400 feet.

Now though with several 400 footers on the way and at least two 500 footers and a 600 footer, Austin will likely have a place on the list for quite sometime.
I don't know what I did with it, but I used to have a 1984 almanac, and I always remember that it had several of Austin's buildings listed. As a kid, I used to look at the building heights, the population, the number of TV and radio stations, and so on, and I was always proud of my city, but at the same time jealous of its bigger brothers around Texas. Having only one interstate highway used to bug the heck out of me too.
     
     
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A question - the book shows the Chicago Spire as under construction. Is it really started yet?
     
     
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I dont know if its started yet. There is a forum on it you can check it out
     
     
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A question - the book shows the Chicago Spire as under construction. Is it really started yet?
Yes it has.

See more here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=124368&page=257


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MetroRail

I've not heard much at all about where CapMetro is on their plans for light rail. In fact, when I asked friends in Austin, they thought it was way behind schedule and wasn't even sure it was a go.

But I just read in the Austin Business Journal that it's scheduled to be in operation this time next year. And judging from the Capital MetroRail website, they've gotten a lot done on it. That's pretty exciting!

I wish they could move faster with the regional commuter rail.
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At least one of the trains has already arrived in Austin as of about 2 weeks ago.
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Remember, it's not actually light rail.
     
     
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So, remember when 7th and RioGrande was being opposed by "neighbors"...who were actually businesses and woman from "Milkshake" (somebody give me her name) was all worked up over it? Guess who's moving? Yep, Milkshake. Guess they weren't so commited to the neighborhood after all!
     
     
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So, remember when 7th and RioGrande was being opposed by "neighbors"...who were actually businesses and woman from "Milkshake" (somebody give me her name) was all worked up over it? Guess who's moving? Yep, Milkshake. Guess they weren't so commited to the neighborhood after all!
Maybe they are just sore losers or just don't want to be in the neighborhood anymore with the building. If so they shouldn't move yet. It's looking unlikely that 7th & Rio Grande will ever be built. Nothing official yet.
     
     
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where did you get wind that CLB 7th/rio grand is dead???

The sign is still up...
     
     
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where did you get wind that CLB 7th/rio grand is dead???

The sign is still up...

I'm going to say it is not going to happen. The sign may still be up, but, i passed by it this weekend and the phone number was covered up. This project is doubtful in my opinion. But, who knows? certainly not me. It's just an observation i made.
     
     
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From today's Austin Business Journal:

Buyers of units in The Monarch residential tower downtown are being notified today that the project's developer is changing the apartment-turned-condo high-rise back into apartments.

ZOM Inc. has decided not to proceed with selling the 305 units in its 29-story tower. The company had originally planned the project as apartments, but decided to take it to the sales market earlier this summer in the heat of downtown condo demand. About 20 percent of the units were sold in the last 60 days, according to Kevin Burns with Urbanspace Realtors LLP, which was tapped to market the condos. Units were marketed at $229,000 to $1.75 million. The Monarch, located at 801 West Fifth Street is slated for completion by the second quarter of 2008.

"The decision to convert The Monarch back to apartments was based on timing rather than demand," says Steve Buck, chief operating officer of ZOM Companies. "The buyers are there; just not at the pace we needed by early 2008."

Burns says the decision to switch strategy wasn't at all a reflection of lack of demand for condo units downtown. "For us to have sold as many units as we did in the slowest selling season, I think says a lot," Burns says. "We simply didn't have the luxury of time on sales."

The Monarch's units will range in size from 681 square feet to 3,530 square feet with lease rates starting at $1,650. The development will also feature more than 9,500 square feet of ground-floor retail space.

Burns says taking Monarch out of the sales picture will likely make the downtown condo market rather tight in the near term. Developments that are near completion like The Shore and 360 are virtually sold out. And while a slew of new projects have been announced, and a few have broken ground, it will be late 2009 before the first of those comes to market.

Developer Larry Warshaw, a partner in Barton Place, The Spring and other projects, says while demand among those who actually plan to live in the unit they're buying remains strong, he's seen a decline in investor interest in condos in recent months concurrent with the tightening credit markets.

"Owner occupants and those who are looking at this as a long term investment, those groups appear to be fairly immune to anything," Warshaw says.

Warshaw says The Monarch may have had a tough time overcoming its original image as an apartment project.

"The market is still strong but less forgiving than it was a year ago," says Warshaw. "It won't carry a marginal location or a product that doesn't hit the sweet spot--and there are various things that will affect whether or not it hits the sweet spot."

Still, Warshaw says, ZOM may be looking at the extremely strong downtown apartment market. The opening in coming weeks of the new AMLI downtown property at Third and San Antonio streets will help alleviate some of the rental demand, but no other apartment properties downtown are close to completion.
     
     
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