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I agree, a nice convention center/casino/hotel development would be a VERY good investment for Moncton. I know it would do well, I dont like racinos as much, and also you cant really have one downtown so boo to that.
Agree, also, I think the casino could be a valuable way to finance convention center project.
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If done right, a casino would be huge for Moncton. I cringe every time the name Verdiroc comes up though.

As for racinos. Granted, they aren't the sexiest kind of development (and frankly, i dont' understand how someone could bet on a horse running around a big oval), it could still mean huge dollars for the city and local businesses and not to mention jobs.

There's no place to put something that big downtown, but it's more of an edge-of-town kind of operation anyway. When you think about it, they're a lot like truck stops. Sure, they're NIMBY as hell, but if you happen to be interested in the services they provide, they can be a big draw and benefit to the community.
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I'm quite skeptical of how useful DirectBuy will be. My fiancee's father tried to check out the one in Dartmouth (he recieved an invitation), but he had to pay the sign-up fee before going inside, and guests would never be allowed back to be members if they didn't buy a membership immediately after checking out the showroom before leaving the store. That's what they were told anyway. And I thought Costco was strict...at least I can go in as their guest anytime they go down, and I'm allowed back the next time.

I completely agree about Racinos/Casinos though. Racino, horrible and has absolutely no place downtown anywhere. Casino not so bad as long as it's monitored and run correctly. Nothing's perfect, but it's better to have the VLT's in a single controlled environment rather than spread out over many establishments. It's much easier for ALC to "police" a casino than 15-20 bars all over town, etc.
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I completely agree about Racinos/Casinos though. Racino, horrible and has absolutely no place downtown anywhere. Casino not so bad as long as it's monitored and run correctly. Nothing's perfect, but it's better to have the VLT's in a single controlled environment rather than spread out over many establishments. It's much easier for ALC to "police" a casino than 15-20 bars all over town, etc.
Indeed...I hate VLTs they are ugly and out of place in resturants and bars. There needs to be a single large operation to control that stuff better (and make lots of tourism $$ at the same time of course )

And where better to set up such an establishment but mere blocks away from ALCs HQ???

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As for racinos. Granted, they aren't the sexiest kind of development (and frankly, i dont' understand how someone could bet on a horse running around a big oval), it could still mean huge dollars for the city and local businesses and not to mention jobs.
You`re likely right, perhaps I`m just bias because where I come from those horse race tracks are seen as white elephant. The situation seem quite different around here though.

At the end of the day Moncton will receive one or the other but not both, my vote goes to Casino.

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You`re likely right, perhaps I`m just bias because where I come from those horse race tracks are seen as white elephant and really unprofitable as well. The situation seem quite different around here though.

At the end of the day Moncton will receive one or the other but not both, my vote goes to Casino.
Oh, don't get me wrong. We should take the casino if we have the choice. IF we were to get a racino, I'd only support it if there wasn't a penny of public funds put towards it. I think there's a similar sentiment on the SJ forum about it too. I'm not sure who owns the casino in Halifax, but I think it's the province, right? If it is, I guess we'd be stuck with public funding there. I'd bet (har har) that a casino would be a much more sustainable investment than a racino.

BTW, I hate VLTs too. The only people who use them are problem gamblers. I've seen people blow a week's salary in an hour or two...and then be back the next friday doing the same thing.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. We should take the casino if we have the choice. IF we were to get a racino, I'd only support it if there wasn't a penny of public funds put towards it. I think there's a similar sentiment on the SJ forum about it too. I'm not sure who owns the casino in Halifax, but I think it's the province, right? If it is, I guess we'd be stuck with public funding there. I'd bet (har har) that a casino would be a much more sustainable investment than a racino.
Absolutely a racino is clearly better than nothing. For the ownership, I don`t know for Nova-Scotia so in Quebec the province is the owner (Loto-Qc). Here, maybe a private funding could be preferable, of course, with a parternarship with ALC and the province.

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Absolutely a racino is clearly better than nothing. For the ownership, I don`t know for Nova-Scotia so in Quebec the province is the owner (Loto-Qc). Here, maybe a private funding could be preferable, of course, with a parternarship with ALC and the province.
I suppose we shouldn't speculate too much until the province actually releases their report on gambling...
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I suppose we shouldn't speculate too much until the province actually releases their report on gambling...
Hopefully it's as good as their report on Post-Secondary education was.....
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Speaking of the racino's and casino...

The Casino would be great for downtown and would love to see it linked with a convention center / arena / parking structure. Just as long as they do it right and it's not a big "eyesore" on the waterfront.

Why are you guys so against a racino? Have you ever been in one? I have been in several (PEI/Ontario) The Racino in Charlottetown, which I've attended during their "Old Home Week" celebration, the economic spin-off of the "one" event is staggering...it's a week long event that has racers and fans from all over North America attend...on the final night, the big race, there is usually over 10,000+ in attendance..in PEI! The hotels are packed, the restaurants are booming, etc. and this is just one event. Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea of a racino...harness racing is a big industry with big bucks.
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N.B. to cut VLTs
Gov't to slash number of video lottery machines by one-quarter when gaming policy announced tomorrow

By Jesse Robichaud
Times & Transcript Staff
Published Wednesday November 7th, 2007
Appeared on page A1

The Liberal government will cut the number of video lottery terminals in the province by roughly a quarter when its responsible gaming policy is released tomorrow.

On top of cutting the number of video lottery terminals (VLTs) from 2,660 to 2,000, Finance Minister Victor Boudreau announced yesterday that the province would place a moratorium on installing new video lottery terminals (VLTs) effective tomorrow.

The moratorium would run for one year until the policy, which will limit the number of locations where VLTs can be accessed, is up and running throughout the province.

Boudreau said the plan for video gambling strikes a balance between the need to curb problem gambling while, at the same time, retaining most of the $135 million the VLTs currently pump into government coffers.

"As we all know various jurisdictions rely on the revenue that comes from these machines," said Boudreau. "We also know that the video lottery machines are probably the most addictive ones."

Boudreau was short on details when speaking with reporters, and did not say whether machines located in potential casino or racino projects would count toward the cap of 2000 machines.

He refused to discuss whether the province would allow casinos in the province yesterday, but did say bars and restaurants would not be shut out of the video lottery business.

However, in a letter printed to the province's daily papers yesterday, Boudreau did suggest that destination gaming could be a means by which the gambling policy could reenergize the province's tourism industry.

Yesterday Boudreau told reporters tourism will be one of the key industries if the province hopes to reach economic independence.

"We have seen it in the past that it has brought huge dollars to the province but, over the past few years, we have seen that dwindle," he said. "So the whole tourism side of things was looked at very carefully when we were preparing this policy."

Interim Conservative leader Jeannot Volpé said Boudreau was simply throwing up some last-minute trial balloons to avoid political embarrassment tomorrow.

"There are some people against even one VLT machine in this province. There are some business interests that want to see more," he said.

Volpé said he believes fewer locations where the public can access VLTs will help the government offer better services for those faced with gambling addiction issues.

"I have seen some good friends lose everything they have, so I am not a great supporter of casinos and racinos," he said. "But I am for free choice, and people should be smart enough to decide what they want to do with their money."

Volpé noted that Saint John could run into trouble with its cruise ship traffic if it creates a racino or casino project in the city. He says cruise ship operators, who operate their own casinos on their ships, might simply decide to skip the city in order to avoid the competition.

Daniel Allain, general manager of Downtown Moncton Inc., says Moncton has proven itself the perfect fit for a downtown casino project.

He says the impact of a destination gaming centre on the city would be huge.

"This policy will certainly have ramifications on the tourism end, but certainly under the hospitality and the food industry, as well."

Allain said his membership came out overwhelmingly in support of a casino as a part of a downtown convention centre project in 2002, but there has not been a formal poll of members' opinions since then.

Hugh Borlafe, owner of Dooly's lounge and Au Bayou restaurant in Shediac says removing VLTs from small- and medium-sized bars would force many out of business immediately.

Borlafe hopes that the province will close the loophole that allows establishments to apply for several liquor licences under one roof in order to multiply the number of VLTs permitted from five to as many as 30 or 40.

"That is like almost having a casino as it is, I think that loophole should be eliminated," he said.

Like other bar owners contacted, Borlafe was reserving judgment until he hears just how the province intends to reduce the number of VLT machines.

In his letter to provincial papers, Boudreau said the gambling policy will protect the interests of local charities that rely on bingos and draws as fundraisers.

That comes as welcome news to Chuck Steeves, president of the Moncton Rotary Club. His organization holds an annual draw for luxury cars, and has been considering adding a bingo to its fundraising strategy.

"We don't know where they're gong on this, but if they make casinos and they say bingo is outlawed there are going to be a lot of people upset," he said.

Steeves said the commitments made by service groups to local initiatives would suffer from any negative interference.

"I can't imagine they will stop us from raising money to help Headstart, or the YMCA, or the Youth Quest centre for disadvantaged youths," he said.

"I can't imagine because there are no funds for that stuff. Our funds from service clubs are the only ones helping do those things."
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Hopefully it's as good as their report on Post-Secondary education was.....
Lol...Let's be fair. A report is a report. I don't think the province has committed to implementing anything from the post-secondary report yet. Besides, they were all recommendations.
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Speaking of the racino's and casino...

The Casino would be great for downtown and would love to see it linked with a convention center / arena / parking structure. Just as long as they do it right and it's not a big "eyesore" on the waterfront.

Why are you guys so against a racino? Have you ever been in one? I have been in several (PEI/Ontario) The Racino in Charlottetown, which I've attended during their "Old Home Week" celebration, the economic spin-off of the "one" event is staggering...it's a week long event that has racers and fans from all over North America attend...on the final night, the big race, there is usually over 10,000+ in attendance..in PEI! The hotels are packed, the restaurants are booming, etc. and this is just one event. Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea of a racino...harness racing is a big industry with big bucks.
I'm not against a racino at all. I, personally, just think that the city would be better off overall if we had a casino. Either way, the city stands to win big-time. I just think a casino would be a safer and better investment.

Now, if we could have both....
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Stakeholders waiting to see how the cards fall on new gambling policy
Last Updated: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 | 9:20 AM AT

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After seeing the first hints of what is in the New Brunswick government's hand for a new gambling policy, some bar owners are anxiously awaiting its full release on Thursday.

Finance Minister Victor Boudreau wrote an opinion article published in the province's three daily English newspapers on Tuesday and followed it up with a news conference in the afternoon.

The province will be cutting the number of video lottery terminals in New Brunswick by 25 per cent, Boudreau told reporters.

That will mean 2,000 VLTs in the province instead of the current 2,650.

The machines aren't being banned in the province entirely because of the $135 million in revenue the 2,000 VLTs would provide the government each year, Boudreau said.

"There's no question that, I mean, as a government, governments in various jurisdictions rely on the revenue that comes from these machines."

There will also be a one-year moratorium on putting VLTs at new sites while the new policy is introduced.

"I don't know if they're going to do it evenly, or whether they're going to use some sort of a system whereby they're going to remove the machines from places maybe that don't have as much activity on them," said Fredericton bar owner Ashley Flinn.

"If they take one away from everybody, it's obviously going to affect our bottom line as well as everybody else's."

Flinn has five machines in his bar. He said he is concerned he might lose one to the 25 per cent cut. He is also expecting to be hit by the moratorium.

"We had actually been approved for another five machines for an expansion we are doing and now I see a moratorium — that they are just going to kind of hold the line on the number of machines at present."

But Flinn said he has no sympathy for bar owners who cry that they are dependent on gambling customers to stay afloat.

"If they rely on their whole five machines to make all of their profits, say 90 per cent of their profits, then I feel they're probably in the wrong business," Flinn said.

Kim Hunter, former president of the New Brunswick Licensees' Association, which represents bar owners, said she will take a "wait-and-see approach" until the full responsible gaming policy is released.

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Boudreau hinted the policy will likely also allow casinos or racinos — racetracks with casinos — as a way to promote more "entertainment choices" and "destination gaming" in the province that has watched its tourism industry struggle over the last five years.


It is good news for the Exhibition Association in Saint John that has announced plans to build a $20-million multiplex that would combine a racino with hockey rinks and indoor soccer fields.

"We're just waiting with bated breath for this to get going," said Don Canning, president of the Moncton Standardbred Racing Association.

But anti-gambling critics are concerned about the pending policy.

Rev. Edward Powell points to a 2004 Nova Scotia study that looks at the connection between gambling and suicide.

"I think that Premier Shawn Graham and his colleagues in cabinet need to have the courage to say no to the destruction and death that gambling brings," Powell said.

Boudreau said the government will increase the $757,000 already put into funding addiction services, but didn't give a figure for the increase.

There will be a focus on ensuring gamblers and people working in VLT locations know how to recognize an addiction, Boudreau said.

With files from the Canadian Press
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Lol...Let's be fair. A report is a report. I don't think the province has committed to implementing anything from the post-secondary report yet. Besides, they were all recommendations.
Yeah I know, I kept telling people that back in Saint John when everyone was getting upset about the UNBSJ suggestion, but no-one was willing to listen to reason.
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Yeah I know, I kept telling people that back in Saint John when everyone was getting upset about the UNBSJ suggestion, but no-one was willing to listen to reason.
Thats usually the problem with situations like this. Just because someone suggests something, that doesn't mean it's actually going to be implemented. People were jumping all over the UNBSJ thing. In all likelihood, it'd never happen anyway because it would cost too many votes in SJ. Barring that, a change like that would've taken years to put into practice...certainly not worth giant protests...
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Seems as though things are looking good for a casino in Moncton!
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Seems as though things are looking good for a casino in Moncton!
Fingers crossed, STU....fingers crossed....
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Fingers crossed, STU....fingers crossed....
We should keep the faith ! I think we finaly will see light at the end the of tunnel about downtown devlopment. The courthouse will start first quarter of 2008 and we will also get the realty check about Convention center and Casino by the end of this year. Assumption will likely released his projects by mid-2008. Moreover, Andal will maybe give us a clue as to whats going to happen with their condo`s project on robinson.

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We should keep the faith ! I think we finaly will see light at the end the of tunnel about downtown devlopment. The courthouse will start second first of 2008. We will also get the realty check about Convention center and Casino by the end of this year and Assumption will likely released his projects by mid-2008. Moreover, Andal will maybe give us a clue will maybe give us a clue as to whats going to happen with their condo`s project on robinson.
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