Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[nname]

I don't think putting up a cage would help in this particular incident...

[squeezied]

bottom line: those girls need to be punished dearly and severly.

the justice system is way to liberal these days. paris, nicole, lindsay, and other obvious girls come to mind. think of the precedence it sets!!

[Canadian Mind]

Give the bus drivers guns, and the ability to use them when neccisary. Don't need a cage.

[djh]

Originally Posted by squeezied

bottom line: those girls need to be punished dearly and severly.

the justice system is way to liberal these days. paris, nicole, lindsay, and other obvious girls come to mind. think of the precedence it sets!!

Aren't your 2 statements both exactly what my point was? Yes, the girls need to be punished, BUT yes, the justice system is ineffective. So like I said, for us to say "what needs to happen is..." really doesn't change things: the justice system *is* too liberal!

Hence, the solution, since the justice system is unlikely to suddenly wake up and change, is to *protect the drivers*

And *that's* the bottom line.

[fever]

I don't know too much about the cage. It seems a little extreme.

I doubt anyone who would assault a bus driver would be thinking about sentencing. Most of these people have problems that should have them inside an institution..

[mr.x]

not only that, but they're aboriginal...they don't pay any taxes, and yet they vandalize something they haven't even partially payed for.

[deasine]

Now let's look at some less depressing news:

City of North Vancouver is holding a Transportation Plan Open House on November 8, 2007 at 5:00 - 8:00 PM.

Issues that need to be solved include better transit routes from North Vancouver to Burnaby and East Vancouver, lack of transit serving communities, etc.

Presentation Boards
http://www.cnv.org/c//data/3/426/2007%2010%2029%20-%202007%20Open%20House%20Display%20Boards.pdf

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City of Vancouver will also be asking the public for their input on M-Line extension. TransLink seems to be very interested in extending this route now, many spokespersons are speaking about this issue. Two options of the M-Line include:

1) M-Line along 10th Avenue
2) M-Line along Broadway

A) Elevated
B) Underground

[SFUVancouver]

When and where will the CoV be asking for citizen input on these M-Line options? Surely not at the North Van event?

[nname]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

When and where will the CoV be asking for citizen input on these M-Line options? Surely not at the North Van event?

here?

[deasine]

Sorry I forgot to put the link =P I think the website is by Sam Sullivan himself and not the city's. It's there to satisfy his own curiosity of how much people support this. Again, looks like Sullivan is taking a problem to his own hands...

[j4893k]

Personally, I'm fine with the most cost effective route. I guess this would end up being a 10th ave bore/cut-and-cover option? I don't think residents would ever allow an elevated line into Point Grey, plus the grade is quite steep after Alma. What are everyone elses opinions?

[twoNeurons]

cut n' cover on tenth. NO question.

elevated after arbutus with the option for area residents to pay for the line to be buried using their taxes.

[officedweller]

I agree - cut and cover along 10th Ave. - the cut and cover along the residential areas of Cambie went off smoothly and 10th Ave, is not a major corridor.
No businesses to be disrupted on 10th Ave. until you get up the hill to UBC past Alma and that'll be many years away in a final phase. i.e. it's a separate construction project unrelated to the inital phases.

[cornholio]

At Alma I would elevate it and cut it up to 4th and on to UBC. I would then pressure the feds to give up their massive chunk of land for cheap and move their operations elsewhere. Then I would redevelop that in to a 20,000+ people community like the Fraser mills site but bigger because it would be planed along rapid transit. The skytrain line I would then ram down the throughts of the very few residents past jericho st(?) and then run it elevated along the golf course to UBC. The section of the golf course can be designed to blend in to the park so it can have living walls etc. installed on all the exposed concrete and the guideway can be covered in a tube to minimize noise.

By the way this got me thinking about costs, challenges etc. of installing a living surface on some of the current skytrain guide ways? It would make them look amazing and fit in to their surroundings much better, not to mention reduce noise pollution and reduce their environmental impact.

[nname]

Originally Posted by cornholio

At Alma I would elevate it and cut it up to 4th and on to UBC. I would then pressure the feds to give up their massive chunk of land for cheap and move their operations elsewhere. Then I would redevelop that in to a 20,000+ people community like the Fraser mills site but bigger because it would be planed along rapid transit. The skytrain line I would then ram down the throughts of the very few residents past jericho st(?) and then run it elevated along the golf course to UBC. The section of the golf course can be designed to blend in to the park so it can have living walls etc. installed on all the exposed concrete and the guideway can be covered in a tube to minimize noise.

I'm wondering... wouldn't it be better and cheaper to run it at-grade past Blanca?

[LeftCoaster]

I was wondering, while running it along 10th would the stations entrances be on 10th? becuase that would make little sense. I would hope if it were cut and cover that at least the station entrances be located on Broadway, even if the stations themselves were located on 10th.

[deasine]

No... Entrances are on broadway...

[twoNeurons]

10th Avenue is slightly higher than Broadway, so the stations would be at the end of ~100m long gently sloping ramps down to the platform level.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by cornholio

At Alma I would elevate it and cut it up to 4th and on to UBC. I would then pressure the feds to give up their massive chunk of land for cheap and move their operations elsewhere. Then I would redevelop that in to a 20,000+ people community like the Fraser mills site but bigger because it would be planed along rapid transit. The skytrain line I would then ram down the throughts of the very few residents past jericho st(?) and then run it elevated along the golf course to UBC. The section of the golf course can be designed to blend in to the park so it can have living walls etc. installed on all the exposed concrete and the guideway can be covered in a tube to minimize noise.

By the way this got me thinking about costs, challenges etc. of installing a living surface on some of the current skytrain guide ways? It would make them look amazing and fit in to their surroundings much better, not to mention reduce noise pollution and reduce their environmental impact.

It can't be elevated west of Alma, the grade is way too steep....it has to be tunneled. And you're thinking about putting a tunnel portal in the middle of West Point Grey Village? Good luck with that...

There's no such thing as Jericho Street, you're either talking about Blanca or Sasamat Street (where there will be a station).

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by nname

I'm wondering... wouldn't it be better and cheaper to run it at-grade past Blanca?

there isn't that much of a difference in cost between at-grade and elevated if you add in the cost of transitions:

Underground east of Blanca -> Transition -> At-grade west of Blanca -> Transition -> Underground at UBC (the university would never allow an elevated SkyTrain station in the middle of the campus)


BTW, please move ALL M-Line extension discussion to its proper topic.