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Old Posted Nov 4, 2007, 5:40 AM
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The city last year told the Whitecaps the original stadium proposal at the railyard footprint wasn't big enough for 15,000/30,000 seats....you can see it in the rendering/diagram, the current proposal is a lot bigger than the elevated proposal over the railyard.
     
     
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The Whitecaps need to take their stadium to the suburbs, not prime waterfront real estate.

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Policies about 'neighbourliness' developed 30 years ago by Ray Spaxman anything but hoary
It takes an icon to know another

Gordon Price

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Saturday, November, 03, 2007





In the new millennium, city hall relaxed restrictions on the height of downtown Vancouver buildings. Above, the Ritz-Carleton project, Below The Georgia new home project.



Your eyes won't have to drift very far from this column, I'm betting, before you find the word "iconic."

These days, developers and their marketing departments all want something iconic -- at least the imprimatur, if not necessarily the architecture. Some will simply name the building after the "I" word and call it a day. But assemble a group of architects, and you can be sure that they'll bemoan our icon deficit. Too much green glass, not enough titanium.

Some architecture students even held an international competition recently -- "pototype" -- to challenge the prevailing orthodoxy of the "Vancouver style." At a panel discussion, all agreed: Vancouver may be good at background buildings, but how about something gutsy in the foreground?

Or at least something taller. That was the option Vancouver pursued at the beginning of this century, when the traditional downtown height limit was shattered in return for a commitment to more adventurous architecture. You'll be able to judge for yourself on Georgia Street, when at least three new super-talls open around the Olympics .

But one voice is already urging caution -- and it's a voice worth heeding. It comes with perspective.

Ray Spaxman was recruited as city planner by Vancouver's leadership in 1973, when the public was in full flight from the excesses of modernism and out-of-control development.

Only a decade and a half previously, the tallest building in the West End was the Sylvia Hotel. ("Dine in the Sky" said the sign on the roof.) And not many people thought several hundred concrete slabs had really improved our urban ambience all that much.

Spaxman was responsible for changing the way planning and development was done in this city -- and he summed it up in one word: "neighbourliness." A building had to be respectful of its neighbours, and of the citizens on the street. Nothing expresses that better than the canopies which now make it possible to walk downtown on a rainy day without having to take an umbrella.

Buildings, in other words, had to be more than sculptural objects on vacant plazas -- "pigs in space," as some planners call them. It didn't matter how "iconic" a building was if it selfishly ignored the urban environment in which it dwelt. The best bad example: the original Eaton's at Pacific Centre, with its acres of blank white walls. Very iconic, very unfriendly.

Spaxman fears that "iconic" may be just a shorter word for ostentatious.

His contributions to Vancouver are, as they said of another English architect, all around us if we only look.

Spaxman served at city hall for 16 years, he transformed a bureaucracy, and he trained a generation of planners who carried on his legacy.

By any standard, he deserves the title of "Paradise-maker" -- one of those leaders from the 1970s and '80s who not only felt an obligation to maintain the quality of life and the environment in the Lower Mainland, but to make it better.

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Former Vancouver city councillor Gordon Price is director of the City Program at Simon Fraser University. He prepared these comments on the occasion of a public ''interview'' of Ray Spaxman

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the site where the Shell used to be on Burrard @ Davie is totally fenced off, panago, quiznos all gone now....the whole current building on the site is ready to get demo'd it seems like.
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^ I was at that lecture and the round of Gastown drinks afterwards. I think that many of the novel concepts that Spaxman introduced, summed up in the term neighbourliness, are now taken as gospel by our architects and planners. The new tall towers are not abandoning the tenants of neighbourliness in the sense they are still in dialogue with what surrounds them and they feature the hallmarks of post 70s Vancouver buildings: awnings, underground parking, continuous streetwalls, an absence of dreary plazas, active street level programming, 80 foot spacing between towers, enclosed/hidden mechanical floors, and most importantly, an awareness and respect for what has come before and what may come afterwards.

Within this framework I think we can build some taller, more daring buildings in this city. I think we can leverage our abundance of millionaires to build some remarkable sculptural buildings that change our skyline while still function as part of a neighbourly streetscape. I don't think the sky has fallen as the Shangri-La punches through the height limit, nor do I think multi-dimensional, humane projects like Woodwards signal the death knell of the DTES.

If I took anything away from the Spaxman lecture and my ongoing accelerated planning learning curve it is that motive matters and nothing exists in isolation. We're lucky to have had him in the position he occupied. He's left a legacy of bureaucratic and design tools that have yielded the city we inhabit. While, of course, it could be better, it would certainly be much worse if he had stayed in Toronto or England and had not come here at Harry Rankin's invitation. We have something to teach the world because a handful of people like Ray Spaxman had the insight, guts, and support to shatter the mold and rebuild something better.
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I took a taxi home tonight and was talking to the driver about urban planning. He was saying how "everybody says what a good job Vancouver's city planner did but I think it's terrible, the roads are too narrow. In Phoenix they've got a 14 lane road and they're expanding it to 21 (seems like a strange number to me but he said it). Here they have enough trouble just expanding it to 3" and so on.

In my mind I was just like, do you really want a 21 lane "road" cutting through Vancouver? I didn't even understand what his problem was. It wasn't like he was saying traffic was bad, but it was just "too narrow". Well I'm sorry we can't invest billions so that you can enjoy the luxury of having a larger variety of lanes to choose from. Just shows you how bizarre the average resident thinks when it comes to planning. The weirdest thing was that he didn't even seem to be referring to highways. He was gesturing at the road we were on while saying it (10th Ave).
     
     
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^ Funny, I took a taxi home tonight as well and we talked about urban planning and how different Vancouver is than the Punjab region where the driver was from. He said here it feels like things are under control, things don't just happen without thinking ahead. He also said he's saving $500 a month on gas with his prius over his old toyota camry, which was already an efficient car.
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I took a taxi home tonight and was talking to the driver about urban planning. He was saying how "everybody says what a good job Vancouver's city planner did but I think it's terrible, the roads are too narrow. In Phoenix they've got a 14 lane road and they're expanding it to 21 (seems like a strange number to me but he said it). Here they have enough trouble just expanding it to 3" and so on.

In my mind I was just like, do you really want a 21 lane "road" cutting through Vancouver? I didn't even understand what his problem was. It wasn't like he was saying traffic was bad, but it was just "too narrow". Well I'm sorry we can't invest billions so that you can enjoy the luxury of having a larger variety of lanes to choose from. Just shows you how bizarre the average resident thinks when it comes to planning. The weirdest thing was that he didn't even seem to be referring to highways. He was gesturing at the road we were on while saying it (10th Ave).
21 lane roads? Bahahahaha

If we let the opinions of some curry smelling taxi driver dictate our urban planning initiatives, the city would be completely f*cked!
     
     
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21 lane roads? Bahahahaha

If we let the opinions of some curry smelling taxi driver dictate our urban planning initiatives, the city would be completely f*cked!
Where exactly does raggedy13 mention that this cab driver smelt of curry?
     
     
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^That comment about the taxi driver was completely out of order.
     
     
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21 lane roads? Bahahahaha

If we let the opinions of some curry smelling taxi driver dictate our urban planning initiatives, the city would be completely f*cked!
Interesting...Do you have any idea of the level of education many of these cab drivers have? I am sure that many would put you to shame considering that our school systems in Canada and the U.S. are having to outsource tutors from India.

Do you actual understand the amount of money that is made in the cab business. Many of these drivers purchased cab licenses at 15-40k and now the licenses are worth about 300-500k. On top of that many of them are making about $300-400 a day on average (do the math per year) by calculating a 6-7 day work week (never 5). Also, cosidering they have their own business or INC themselves they have many write-offs and keep more money then the avg. citizen making that pay grade. They also have quite a strong work ethic. So, when it comes to work ethic, maybe the city would benefit if the gov't doesn't twiddle their fingers and enjoy their 6 hour work day.

Next time you should keep ignorant comments to yourself when you do not know the facts.

By the way, many of the cabbies own multiple properties in you urban planning highrises.
     
     
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the site where the Shell used to be on Burrard @ Davie is totally fenced off, panago, quiznos all gone now....the whole current building on the site is ready to get demo'd it seems like.
Wow, seems like I just ate at that Quiznos last week...I'll hafta find a new location to go to I guess
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the site where the Shell used to be on Burrard @ Davie is totally fenced off, panago, quiznos all gone now....the whole current building on the site is ready to get demo'd it seems like.
what's going on there?
     
     
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The Agent Provocateur is now open! Looks pretty sexxy from the street! with uber hotties working inside
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Interesting...Do you have any idea of the level of education many of these cab drivers have? I am sure that many would put you to shame considering that our school systems in Canada and the U.S. are having to outsource tutors from India.

Do you actual understand the amount of money that is made in the cab business. Many of these drivers purchased cab licenses at 15-40k and now the licenses are worth about 300-500k. On top of that many of them are making about $300-400 a day on average (do the math per year) by calculating a 6-7 day work week (never 5). Also, cosidering they have their own business or INC themselves they have many write-offs and keep more money then the avg. citizen making that pay grade. They also have quite a strong work ethic. So, when it comes to work ethic, maybe the city would benefit if the gov't doesn't twiddle their fingers and enjoy their 6 hour work day.

Next time you should keep ignorant comments to yourself when you do not know the facts.

By the way, many of the cabbies own multiple properties in you urban planning highrises.

Thanks for the insight.

I didn't realize that driving a taxi was such a lucrative, prestigious position!

Perhaps I will consider it as a career in the next life.
     
     
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^^Wow^^ I'm not even going to comment.

Anyways back to downtown updates, has the seawall reopened? I though it was supposed to this week but I failed to here anything.
     
     
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a fairly recent pic of the Espana development


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Anyone know whats under construction on the east side of hornby, across the street from the toyota lot, i just noticed it the other day, and they're on the 4th floor already...
A condo called "Pure".
     
     
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I am pretty sure the seawall has not opened yet. Also, word is that the Elan building has been pushed to late January or Early February. Anyone have any updates on how this is coming along?

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