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City interested in buying synagogue

Sandra Davis
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Published Friday November 2nd, 2007
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SAINT JOHN - The city has offered to purchase the Shaarei Zedek synagogue on Carleton Street, along with the building that houses its museum and community centre, which are just around the corner on Wellington Row.

"The board of the congregation is considering its response," says congregation president Norman Hamburg. "We want to do it properly and with good information, not just pulling numbers out of the air. We're doing due diligence."

The offer has not yet been presented to the synagogue's full congregation, he said.

Calls to city staff were not returned Thursday, but widespread speculation is that the property is being considered for a parking garage to accommodate the $60- to $70-million police-justice complex that will be located north of Union Street in the area near Vito's and the Saint John Arts Centre.

A study by a transportation consulting group completed 18 months ago told the city it will need roughly 1,300 to 1,700 new parking spaces to accommodate upcoming projects.

Mayor Norm McFarlane, however, said the city has been inquiring about property in that area for the past two years and that the intention is not simply to build a parking garage on the block where the synagogue sits.

"It's a huge development, not just a parking garage. People are out there looking at that area," he said. "I'm assuming they're talking to everybody in that general area where the development is going to go."

Hamburg has no knowledge of any other specific groups or organizations located on the block that have been approached to sell, "but we're kind of aware that it's not just us," he said. The "block" in question incorporates Carleton, Union and Peel streets, along with Wellington Row on the east.

Others on the block, though, confirm they have also been approached to sell their buildings, although many don't know who the interested party is.

In fact, it seems that there may be more than one party interested in buying up that block.

Loella McNutt, who lives on Union Street, was approached by a lawyer who made both she and her son, who lives next door, an offer to buy their properties.

She said she was not told who the lawyer, who visited her about a month ago, was representing.

"They didn't offer what we think it's worth," said McNutt.

Chris Hicks, who owns MC Xtronics on Union, says he's been approached, but by a real estate agent offering a "low" price for the property, while Sheldon Xiao confirms she was asked to sell her building at 119 Union but, while refusing to divulge who the interested party is, she says it's definitely not the city.

Others speak of "options to buy" being executed as word spreads of the city's interest in obtaining the block to erect a parking garage.

Meanwhile, Hamburg says there's a lot to consider before the congregation makes a decision to sell its synagogue. The building was listed for sale about four years ago, but the city is also interested in the community centre and museum, says Hamburg.

"There's a lot to consider," he said. "I have no idea what would happen to the museum. There's no alternative for either place until we know what we have to work with.

"It's been our home for 90 years now.

"It's not something we just throw away.

"We'll see if we can make it all work to the benefit of everybody," said Hamburg.

The construction of the police headquarters is slated to begin in the spring of 2008, while the provincially built justice building is on a similar timetable.

The $15- to $20-million police headquarters will help a force stuck in an inadequate City Hall, and the $28- to $30-million justice facility will consolidate and improve upon three aging court buildings spread throughout the city.
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Kids playing hockey and people betting on horses and playing slots???

anyone see a contradiction here.
Who said they were kids? lol
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Hmmmmmm......if that pile of crap is going to be sitting on Long Wharf over the winter, we *should* get creative with it --> perhaps the City or Port could rig a T-bar, or even a few old escaltors, charge $10 a head and turn it into the first limerock-based ski hill by the sea...

Be afraid Sugarloaf.....be very afraid......
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‘EPR’s’ game plan
Development: Proposal includes race track, soccer pitches, hockey rinks, all rolled into one complex

SANDRA DAVIS
TELEGRAPH-JOURNAL
Published Saturday November 3rd, 2007
Appeared on page b1

SAINT JOHN - A local group laid out a plan on Friday morning that will change the face of recreation for this generation.

That is, if the province buys into it.

The Exhibition Association wants to help build the city’s sports multiplex as part of a $20-million entertainment and sporting venue that would include a racino in combination with a two-plex ice surface, two indoor artificial-turf soccer fields, an upgraded track and grandstand, a firstclass restaurant, a combination agri-sports dome, indoor golf and walking track.

A racino is a combination race track and casino with slot machines and table games like blackjack, poker and roulette.

Bob Manning, the man in charge of a subcommittee looking to build the sportsplex, characterizes the exhibition association’s idea as“brilliant.”

“They’ve expanded a little bit to say, ‘we’ll have not only indoor soccer, but space that could be converted into an [exhibition facility] for trade shows, cattle shows, or horse shows,’ which I think is wonderful for this community,”said Manning.

“What the EPR (Exhibition Park Raceway) has done, is come forward to say ‘we’ve got a site, we’re willing to give you the land plus some financial contribution,” said Manning.

“They haven’t defined how much, but when I met with them they talked about how they would like to be partners with the city to move this forward,” said Manning.

The proposed development would do much to make Saint John a drive-in destination, rather than a drive-through city, adding to attractions like Horizon Management’s East Point Shopping development at Retail and Fashion drives, two new hotels, movie theatres and a strip of restaurants.

“We’ve always said the best location for something of this nature is on the East Side of Saint John,”said Manning.

“It fulfills an awful lot of need by putting it in the East.”

Manning first met with the exhibition association two weeks ago, at their request.

The group is the first in the province to go public with a gaming proposal; proponents are still awaiting the release of the province’s much anticipated gaming policy, which is expected to be announced within weeks. It had been slated for release in June, but was delayed.

“We recognize that the status quo is not an option,”Premier Shawn Graham told a Telegraph-Journal editorial board meeting last spring.

“We recognize that there has to be a social responsibility of government, as well, in putting in programs for addiction services as we modernize our gaming strategy,” he said at the time.

The province’s revised gaming policy is expected to outline the parameters under which gaming facilities would be able to operate in the province.

Once the policy is announced, it’s expected a call for proposals will be made with government deciding which ones to accept.

If the exhibition association’s proposal for a racino is denied, it will be the end of harness racing in Saint John, says Blair MacDonald, the exhibition association’s general manager.

But,he said,that doesn’t mean the sports multiplex is down the drain.

“It doesn’t mean everything goes,” says MacDonald.“The new exhibition building will be built anyway and we’ll have indoor soccer.”

It might however, affect the contribution the association could make towards a two-plex rink because construction funds would come from the racetrack, he said.

“We’re basically saying, ‘we have the land we can contribute and we have some financial resources to contribute.’“I think there’s a wish from the private sector to have these types of facilities, it ties into retailing and everything else that’s in the area,”said MacDonald.

The Exhibition Association plans to partner with a Quebec firm called Attractions Hippiques to run the racino, which operates all four race tracks in that province.

The association is looking for no government money for that venture.

“Our partner is prepared to raise the capital for that,”said MacDonald.

Attractions Hippiques vice-president Gerard Landry, who was in Saint John for the announcement, told the crowd his mission is to “put harness racing back on track. Exhibition Park has a nice piece of land and they’re well placed inside a nice big city. They need investors. They don’t want to take government money and this is our business.”

The half-mile track at Exhibition Park has been home to harness racing for more than 50 years.

“The exhibition association sees this as an opportunity to revitalize the state of the harness-racing industry both locally and provincially,”said Willard Jenkins, Exhibition Association board president.

“At least 75 per cent of the racing that goes on in this province happens here.”

A racino would deliver about $1-million annually in municipal and provincial property taxes, he said.

“One thing we are absolutely adamant about is we are not looking for taxpayers’money.

We’re looking to partner with people on the racing side.”

If everything goes according to plan, the racino and sportsplex could open sometime in 2009.
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Likely that they (the port) like getting paid for providing services and that an empty wharf makes no money.

Plus, if they ever wanted to sell the land they could argue that it is vital to their business and that they need a lot of compensation to part with it.
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Here's a little clearer layout of EPR's proposal.
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Anyone have any ideas when the skatepark is supposed to start.

Just one more thing aren't they suppose to raze the Y this month I hope its not delayed.
Skate park is supposed to begin in Spring; razing the Y is going on right now. It's supposed to take many weeks 'cause the ceiling tiles contain asbestos.
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Likely that they (the port) like getting paid for providing services and that an empty wharf makes no money.

Plus, if they ever wanted to sell the land they could argue that it is vital to their business and that they need a lot of compensation to part with it.
Actually, it's not as bad as it looks in the picture...media embellishment at it's best.
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Here's a little clearer layout of EPR's proposal.
I don't have aything against developing that property especially with the ice surfaces but I think if Saint John wants to get into the gambling business, a hotel/casino downtown would be more suitable.
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Damn when did I miss the memo stating that a pyramid was being relocated from Egypt to Saint John?

What is that white pile of s**t? Anyhow not that it will make you feel any better but we have a similar eye sore here on the Westcoast ... except our 'pyramid' is yellow ... as in a huge pile of sulpher located on the northside of Burrard Inlet ... directly across Burrard Inlet from Stanley Park and close (about 1/2 a KM east) of the northend of Lions Gate Bridge.

... BTW ... our yellow pile of crap has been there for about 40 years ... here's hoping your pile disappears a lotttttttttttt sooner than that !
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I don't have aything against developing that property especially with the ice surfaces but I think if Saint John wants to get into the gambling business, a hotel/casino downtown would be more suitable.
I agree, i'm sorry but this just looks like the EPR trying to buy the support of a community which does not have suitable recreation facilites. The design looks horrible, I can just see some kid running after a soccer ball and getting trampled by a horse... This is just a pathetic idea. And how much are they putting into this thing????? 20 mill.. lol.. i'm sorry but's that's pocket change in the world of gambling.. I wouldn't even approve this project unless it's something that's going to put Saint John on the gambling MAP and attract tourists...Businessmen aren't going to go to a Racino in East Saint John with cheap decor and a bunch of local casino rats.. This looks like a typical cheap project with some old fashioned backwards maritime flair... If you want to help out the community leave the sports complex where it is and build a beautiful state of the art Casino/hotel on the Saint John waterfront.. I don't want to see a bunch of yocals ripping apart the communtity and making a small amount of money by tearing apart and taking advantage of an already poor and vulnerable population....
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And showcasing this week at the SAINT JOHN RACINO... Drop your kids off at their soccer/hockey game and come give us your paycheck... TONIGHT we have Trooper playing all night long and tinfoil selling supergroup Black's Mountain will be here all weekend... Lose all of your money and then go meet up with your kids and drive home intoxicated... NEED a loan,,, no problem,,,, completely broke.... no problem, there will be an open bar to help you forget about your family your social life and allllll of your responsibilities... We will put a card with the number for the NB suicide hotline in your jacket pocket for when you sober up.... Have a nice day and thanks for coming...
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And showcasing this week at the SAINT JOHN RACINO... Drop your kids off at their soccer/hockey game and come give us your paycheck... TONIGHT we have Trooper playing all night long and tinfoil selling supergroup Black's Mountain will be here all weekend... Lose all of your money and then go meet up with your kids and drive home intoxicated... NEED a loan,,, no problem,,,, completely broke.... no problem, there will be an open bar to help you forget about your family your social life and allllll of your responsibilities... We will put a card with the number for the NB suicide hotline in your jacket pocket for when you sober up.... Have a nice day and thanks for coming...
This deserves to be quoted, because it is just so magnificent - in particular the part about Trooper and Black's Mountain.

I don't think anyone could sum up the idea of rambling on the East side any better (I mean a casino across the street from the Dirt Mile, I mean 3 Mile? that's just not a good idea for anyone).
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Damn when did I miss the memo stating that a pyramid was being relocated from Egypt to Saint John?

What is that white pile of s**t? Anyhow not that it will make you feel any better but we have a similar eye sore here on the Westcoast ... except our 'pyramid' is yellow ... as in a huge pile of sulpher located on the northside of Burrard Inlet ... directly across Burrard Inlet from Stanley Park and close (about 1/2 a KM east) of the northend of Lions Gate Bridge.

... BTW ... our yellow pile of crap has been there for about 40 years ... here's hoping your pile disappears a lotttttttttttt sooner than that !
Ours is limestone, and it'll be gone in a few months fortunately.
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I don't have aything against developing that property especially with the ice surfaces but I think if Saint John wants to get into the gambling business, a hotel/casino downtown would be more suitable.
Somebody wanted to do that and move the raceway to the south end where the sugar refinery was and they wouldn't give them the one year option on the land. I guess the East side is more negotiable...

Those soccer fields do look a bit out of place with the rest. Soccer field by day, horse racing by night...it's something for sure, but i don't know what...
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I agree, i'm sorry but this just looks like the EPR trying to buy the support of a community which does not have suitable recreation facilites. The design looks horrible, I can just see some kid running after a soccer ball and getting trampled by a horse... This is just a pathetic idea. And how much are they putting into this thing????? 20 mill.. lol.. i'm sorry but's that's pocket change in the world of gambling.. I wouldn't even approve this project unless it's something that's going to put Saint John on the gambling MAP and attract tourists...Businessmen aren't going to go to a Racino in East Saint John with cheap decor and a bunch of local casino rats.. This looks like a typical cheap project with some old fashioned backwards maritime flair... If you want to help out the community leave the sports complex where it is and build a beautiful state of the art Casino/hotel on the Saint John waterfront.. I don't want to see a bunch of yocals ripping apart the communtity and making a small amount of money by tearing apart and taking advantage of an already poor and vulnerable population....
I highly doubt this proposal will ever see life. The Provincial Government, while publicly stating that they support the concept of a Racino, will never become involved without the ALC (Atlantic Lottery Commission). The ALC will NEVER get in bed with Exhibition Park Raceway because of their reputation (pure and simple). The EPR Board have less than a desirable reputation in the province and massive re-structuring changes would have to be made and trust me, that's not going to happen anyday soon. The reason for this proposal is merely to create some pressure and make some noise and get some people moving. However, I stand by my position. $20 says this thing never gets off the ground - and if it ever does, there will be a clean slate in control at EPR before it does.
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If a Racino involves increasing the number of VLT's around, it's a horrid idea.

I keep reading about threats that the harness track would relocate to PEI, and I'm left wondering what the downside would be to 99.99% of citizens.

How about the city buy the property, put in the sports facilities, and not have the track and Racino? Every time I drive past the empty track, I can't help thinking the whole place is just a waste of valuable space. It's a shame Eastpoint didn't buy the place and build there, instead of blowing up a hill. It would be a shame to continue wasting the space by sticking in a Racino.
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I think this is awesome !

Hollywood glitz comes to city

Commerce Developer says he wants to help make Saint John drive-in city

Dave MacLean
Telegraph-Journal
Published Wednesday November 7th, 2007
Appeared on page C1

SAINT JOHN - East Point Shopping will look like Hollywood or the Las Vegas Strip beginning tonight.

The bustling East Side retail development has added four spotlights - clearly visible from points as far away as Rothesay, the South End and the West Side - to help attract shoppers by shining beams of light into the night sky.

Developer Troy Northrup says the goal is to create interest from tourists and area residents alike.

"We're hoping to get all those people who use that highway and often drive past Saint John to pull in," said Northrup. "As a community we need to do everything we can to make sure Saint John is a drive-in city, not a drive-by city.

"We're trying to add a level of excitement and curiosity. If there's one thing that we've learned about retail shopping, it's that it's all about the experience. And creating that experience is what East Point is all about. This is just one more thing that goes toward enhancing that experience."

East Point has been successful in attracting a number of clothing stores and has recently added Indigo music and book retailer and the Starbucks coffee chain. Northrup is aggressively courting other retailers and says generating traffic for the current tenants will help attract further development.

"It's all part of selling the community," he said.

"The decision-makers are sitting in their offices in Chicago and Seattle and New Jersey and Vancouver and Toronto and they don't know Saint John. We need to sell the community to them. Our site, quite frankly, is an easy sell. What's tough is selling Saint John to people who aren't familiar with the city and that's why we need the endorsement of the community.

"Everyone has a part to play in helping sell the community to those outside. That benefits all of us. This is a community project and it's going to help our lifestyle."

The spotlights will be turned on each night at dusk and will light up the sky above the popular development until closing time.

But it wasn't simply a matter of buying the spotlights and turning them on, Northrup said.

"There was quite a process we had to go through," he said.

"We were the first in Canada to apply and get permission since 9/11.

"We were setting a new precedent, so we had to jump through one pile of hoops. We had to make sure we were the proper distance away from the airport. (Transport Canada) wanted to know the strength of the beams and where they were going to be pointed to make sure it wasn't going to be a navigational hazard. It wound up setting a new precedent in the country."

Northrup said the entire process cost an estimated $100,000.

East Point is also busy getting into the Yuletide spirit. Northrup said crews have begun installing some of the nearly 50,000 energy-efficient LED Christmas lights that will adorn trees on the property.

"It's not the little things that will draw crowds and make us successful," he said. "But it's the sum of many little things that can carry us a long way."
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Also, heres the new site for Eastpoint. Was just updated. With more to come
Take a look at the bottom at what the Starbucks and Indigo are gonna look like.
Two great looking stores.
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