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Old Posted Nov 2, 2007, 2:39 AM
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[/b]Because of all the problems in the mortgage industry, & the constant news of home prices falling, I have a hunch that only 2 projs may actually break ground over the next 6 to, even worse, 12 months: LA Central & Grand Ave.
If these two major projects start in the next 6 months given the state of the housing market, we’ll be lucky (remember, that’s 4 towers in these two projects). I hope every other development doesn’t wait for a turnaround in the market to start building. It takes these towers a couple years before actual occupancy. That should give the market time to swing back.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2007, 4:24 AM
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I'm far from a pessimist, but I do believe that these projects are facing a rapidly-closing door. By which I mean that, due to the problems in the economy (mainly related to disappearing liquidity), new-construction projects that don't get started soon are not going to be built at all.
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2007, 9:11 AM
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Well then, call me very optimistic, but I think the projects will continue to move; albeit at a slow pace. With gas prices expected to reach $4 end of next year and PeakOil going to become a much larger issue, and if not expensive gas then heavy congestion/traffic; more people will demand to move in-land. Eventhough oil will hit all aspects of your daily life, you will see a direct charge at the gas pump; and only then will people realize how f***ed you are if you live in the suburbs.

On the flip side, the City has to lax its parking requirements so more projects can go up at a lower cost, and we can get some more affordable housing within the City.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2007, 10:05 AM
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LBU has it right. It's about reduced liquidity and the credit crunch. There's plenty of product already under construction and it should take quite some time to absorb it all. Until then be thankful for what has been built, which is far more than anyone of us had dreamed 5 years ago.

The best chance for future projects will be large hotels as tourism is expected to pick up with all the new developments.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2007, 10:26 AM
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^ Peak Oil won't help either
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2007, 6:15 PM
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(Warning: off-topic rant commencing!)

More and more I feel like our region is heading for a difficult recession. The housing market is flooded with supply, and traffic is out of control. Not to mention the national/international economic downturn.

Earlier this week, when the crane accident took out the 405, it took me 2 hours 20 minutes to get from Santa Monica to LAX. That's crazy. Unfortunately, that's the future, unless we start doing something about it.

The issues with Expo Line (esp. 20% cost increase reported today) are incredibly unsettling. But what is the alternative? Clearly, our exposure to skyrocketing gasoline prices, increased dependence on our fragile freeway system, and expanding gridlock are only going to get worse.

More than at other times, we now need to see increased government investment in infrastructure projects. We need to show business and residents alike that we as a region are committed to progress, rather than to stagnation. If we don't do this, I think businesses are going to start fleeing like we haven't seen for some time, and the entire region is headed for a massive crunch.

Having said all that, Downtown L.A. is probably in the best position to weather these difficulties, since it now has so many resources unique to the region. The convergence of the transit network is probably its biggest advantage.
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LBU, you're totally right. Also, we as private citizens have to start changing our lifestyles. It's not acceptable to live in Pasadena and work in Long Beach. We need to strengthen our neighborhoods -- all of them -- with more jobs, housing, and retail in walkable/bikeable/DASHable environments.

Next time we look for a new job, distance has to be a major factor in our decision, on a regional basis.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2007, 6:56 PM
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I'm far from a pessimist, but I do believe that these projects are facing a rapidly-closing door. By which I mean that, due to the problems in the economy (mainly related to disappearing liquidity), new-construction projects that don't get started soon are not going to be built at all.
If LA falls hard during this slow down, I will blame its bureaucracy for costing the tax payers, homeowners, and consumers way too much money and for delaying projects during our most critical time.

LA needs to get lean and mean real soon because it is more vulnerable than we like to believe.
     
     
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This is bad news regarding Park 5th. They had some big money backers that will be hard to replace. I think the biggest disappointment is the lost opportunity to transform Pershing Square and revitalize the entire surrounding area. Let's hope they find some other financial partners and get this thing back on track.
     
     
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Steve...is it official about Park 5th or is it hearsay through Curbed LA? I'd like to see some official statement or at least an AP wire regarding Park 5th.
     
     
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I heard from someone inside the project that park fifth is indeed dead. They sent a letter out to their partners (construction, design firm...) that the project is done. Also heard that the building was not even close to half reserved. Hopefully whatever reservations were secured will move on to other projects...evo, ritz.
     
     
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Wow, sorry if this offends some people but I'm seriously so sick of LA and all it's bullshit. Nothing gets built here. Everyone has a construction boom...we are the 2nd largest city in the whole US and we are putting up little 5 - 10 story buildings.
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Wow, sorry if this offends some people but I'm seriously so sick of LA and all it's bullshit. Nothing gets built here. Everyone has a construction boom...we are the 2nd largest city in the whole US and we are putting up little 5 - 10 story buildings.
Eh, everything is so refracted here because we are such a huge city in area that we forget there is a lot of activity in LA, it just happens that downtown is a small part of it and so it looks slow and sparse compared to other central cities who can only boast a few nodes of activity. Normally I'd be cussing off on these forums at the bad news regarding expo line, park fifth, etc. But I visited Nokia Theater for the first time on Tuesday night and I hated it a lot less. For all the criticism this project deserves I must admit it is eye candy and with the simultaneous activity of Staples Center and Nokia Theater, its the first I've seen of critical mass anywhere in downtown outside Broadway. It gives me hope. Looking east from olympic+fig I could see Orpheum and Eastern Columbia lit brightly, and then the lgiht show on the met lofts was on full force. I even went down to skid row to score a half piece of brown crystal and realized its hard than ever to find drugs there. So the potential and progress is still there despite some of our favorite projects getting the axe.
     
     
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All this unforunate news regarding Park Fifth's supposed cancelation sure renders me skeptical of LA Central's chances.
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From Eric Richardson on blogdowntown.com:

Park Fifth Responds to Curbed's Reports
of Its (Funding) Demise


Yesterday Curbed posted a rumor that the Park Fifth project had lost its main investor and fired its sales staff and marketing director. While aspects of the post were true -- the project is restructuring some of its financing -- the fundamentals were simply incorrect. Park Fifth Project Director Rich Marr sent a reply over to Curbed rebutting their information and attempting to instill a little accuracy in what's out there. A copy of that response found its way into the blogdowntown mailbox as well.

I try not to mix work and this site, but Cartifact is providing an interactive map kiosk in the Park Fifth sales center (which I might add is really impressive). Last week I was over with VP of Marketing Erika Nelson doing some final testing. I can assure you that she's still gainfully employed and about to be moving her office into the sales center.

Bottom-line: The project's construction schedule remains unaltered and there's lots of interest in both buying and in investing.

Q&A with Rich Marr Regarding Status of Park Fifth

Q: What is the status of Park Fifth?

A: Park Fifth is progressing on schedule. Over the last few months, we have seen significant progress in the development of Park Fifth. We have achieved major milestones in the areas of permitting, pre-construction planning and sales center development. Tremendous excitement and momentum have been created for Park Fifth, resulting in 348 reservations to date - even before we open our sales center.

As we enter real estate’s traditionally quiet fourth quarter, we have begun a short phase where we are restructuring internal operations in order to move forward in an effective manner and continue to progress on target. This internal restructuring will better poise us as we move forward into the construction phase. We will continue to focus on securing all necessary permits and approvals and completing the EIR process.

The design of the project, groundbreaking and completion will not be affected by the restructuring. Groundbreaking is still scheduled for the first half of 2008 and completion of the first tower is set for 2010.

Q: Is it true that Park Fifth lost its main investor?

A: No, Park Fifth’s main investors remain involved in the project and are currently focused on securing finals permits and completing the EIR process.

Q: Is Park Fifth looking for new investors?

A: Internal restructuring could include the addition of a new investor or a potential change of ownership, but this would not affect the design or timing of the project.

Q: Will the internal restructuring affect the timing of the project?

A: No, Park Fifth is progressing on schedule. Completion of the first tower is set for 2010, while the second tower will be completed in 2011. Our process of internal restructuring will not affect our progress or timing of the project.

Q: Are you still accepting new reservations?

A: Yes, Park Fifth is accepting new reservations.

Q: Will the Sales Center still open?

A: Yes, the Sales Center will be complete within the next few weeks. We are putting the final touches on what will be a truly spectacular representation of what living at Park Fifth will be like. The Sales Center will include two complete model homes, virtual tours of both towers and many interactive features to help prospective buyers visualize the home they are interested in purchasing.

Q: What is the status of Park Fifth’s sales team?

A: The Park Fifth sales and marketing team remains active and in place. The team will complete its move into the Sales Center by mid-November and will begin offering tours shortly after that. The team can be reached at 213-629-0000 or via email at [email protected].
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Steve...is it official about Park 5th or is it hearsay through Curbed LA? I'd like to see some official statement or at least an AP wire regarding Park 5th.
It appears that I might have been misled! Lets hope this stays on track.

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I can never tell who to believe. The rumor mill which lacks sources, or the developers themselves who put out relentlessly optimstic press releases and e-mails only to have nothing ever go up. More evidence speculation is a losing game on these forums, and once again no one should be excited about anything until there is a gaping hole in the ground. I sound like my hero citywatch.
     
     
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I even went down to skid row to score a half piece of brown crystal and realized its hard than ever to find drugs there.
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Wow, sorry if this offends some people but I'm seriously so sick of LA and all it's bullshit. Nothing gets built here. Everyone has a construction boom...we are the 2nd largest city in the whole US and we are putting up little 5 - 10 story buildings.
While LA could have done a lot better, we did gain something out of this boom. This thread only contains those towers within downtown. Here is the LA list as I see it of buildings over 10 stories (may be some missing):

Ritz/Marriott 54
The Century 41
717 Flower 35
Concerto N. 27
Concerto S. 27
Californian 23
Wilshire Ctr (site prep)23
Solair Wilshire 22
Club View 22
Hollywood/Vine 1 12
Hollywood/Vine 2 12
LAPD 12
Luma 19
Eleven 13
Colburn 11
And I believe the two Grand Ave towers are imminent. 48 & 25

And there are quite a few 5 to 10 story buildings that filled up deadzones, and added residents and retail to the mix. But to me, the greatest thing that is happened is that our historic buildings are being saved from total decay.

IMO, we did really well, I don’t think it’s over, and we have a long way to go.
     
     
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Wow, sorry if this offends some people but I'm seriously so sick of LA and all it's bullshit. Nothing gets built here. Everyone has a construction boom...we are the 2nd largest city in the whole US and we are putting up little 5 - 10 story buildings.
I realize that this is the skyscraperpage and all, but we don't need thousands of highrises to have a building boom. Many world cities don't have large skylines, and they're still considered great cities. The economics of skyscrapers are really working against us in this day and age.

The real story of this building cycle has been the very type of densification that you deride -- the 5-story apartment building replacing a dirt lot, a single-family home, or a one- or two-story commercial building. This has been happening all over the city for a decade.

As has been said here before, would you rather have ten five-story buildings or one 50-story tower? I know it's not directly comparable, but it's still something to consider.

Plus, consider the huge stock of empty office space that we had at the beginning of this building cycle in the Historic Core and most of Downtown. Most of that has been or is being converted -- that all had to take place before serious new construction could occur. We're in a great position for the next round.

Lastly, consider how many empty units there are in San Diego. I'd rather have been a little behind the curve than totally overwhelmed with supply.
     
     
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