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I actually have few complaints about the way I look thank you very much (talk about childish). I hate the extent that commercialism and image-consciousness defines this city, and I hate the fact that so many of us here are thoughtless instruments of it all. Not all that mysterious actually. So ironic to me how a sampling of the "most initiated" of angelenos (la forum) still disappoints. What better reflection of our fair city than that?

LAB, a "serious, intellectual discussion" between you and citywatch would really lighten my mood, like watching jim carrey and jeff daniels go at it on ssp (even LA's gay people are a bit vapid) If anyone was wondering, there are actually a few angelenos on ssp with interesting posts, and so I remain in the califorum.

Just-in-Cali - it's not the optimism that offends me, it's the stupidity. My "pessimism" is directly proportional to the amount of it here. LA does not have a commonly understood identity, and we are in fact, looking to NY for comparisons. "times square of the west" being the most blatant (and sad) example of this self-consciousness.

uh huh, yeah. Your personal attacks are pretty vapid. There's nothing new or exciting about your patterns always ending in some kind of attack. Your diction is established and well understood here. It's pretty boring actually. Kinda like watching Jessie Jackson on TV racing to the next city to rant and rave about the same victimized spiel we all have come to know in a person, with a loud mouth, who wants a little recognition. Nothing you say here means anything to me. Maybe some here "bow down" to your writing style. Your wordiness may actually come off as euphemism for the obvious, but you simply have not produced any ideas that guide LA toward a positive path in your own mind. You simply state, pedantically, the obvious. Try spicing it up a bit. It might lighten me up reading it for once.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2007, 11:32 AM
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wow LAB, what fire. for what it's worth i'm only redundant because we're doing the equivalent of blaming telephone wires for LA's pedestrian unfriendliness on a continual basis. And I already have a positive solution for a problem to which nearly all remaining problems in this city are secondary - my beef is in its not manifesting.

anyways it'd be a shame if these posts get axed as Id prefer what's been said remain for the record, so I'll try to steer this discussion back...

regarding wide streets, I don't think the width of most LA streets is a problem - the block lengths which allow for such high speeds between stops is though. but in the end, and i know i'm preaching to the choir, block length and poor urban design are tieable loose-ends relative to a good compact rail network. and i'll reemphasize a point many here tend to ignore for some reason (short term memory? selective ignorance?), you can build as many blocks of dense "ped oriented" development as you wish, but peds won't be patronizing them if they have to drive. which is why the NIMBY backlash is justified to some extent. i don't blame em. are you listening citywatch?

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wow LAB, what fire. for what it's worth i'm only redundant because we're doing the equivalent of blaming telephone wires for LA's pedestrian unfriendliness on a continual basis. And I already have a positive solution to which nearly all remaining problems in this city are secondary - the problem is in its not manifesting.

anyways it'd be a shame if these posts get axed as Id prefer what's been said remain for the record, so I'll try to steer this discussion back...

regarding wide streets, I don't think the width of most LA streets is a problem - the block lengths which allow for such high speeds between stops is though. but in the end, and i know i'm preaching to the choir, block length and poor urban design are tieable loose-ends relative to a good compact rail network. and i'll reemphasize a point many here tend to ignore for some reason (short term memory? selective ignorance?), you can build as many blocks of dense "ped oriented" development as you wish, but peds won't be patronizing them if they have to drive. which is why the NIMBY backlash is justified to some extent. i don't blame em. are you listening citywatch?

Well, from the way I look at it. It's just a little too much work (basically financially insurmountable anything short of a natural disaster aiding the wrecking ball) to reclaim this town for pedestrians on a metro-wide scale. LA needs to focus its "pedestrian friendly" urban developments in "strategic" areas that are substantial in size relative to the pedestrian experience. In this case, the eastside of LA offers some hope to counteract the atrophy given its historical context dating back just before the car craze culture exploded into the eventual embarassing mess we experience every day.
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Last night I attended the concert at the Nokia. I spoke with three groups of people. One couple was visiting from Phoenix for the concert, another was here for a meeting from Nebraska and a group of four came to downtown from Anaheim Hills. I did not meet anyone from Downtown nor did I see many people walking back to their lofts. While I hate the thought of a lot of parking lots, it is a necessity right now. Most of the concert goers were from the burbs and drove to downtown. Now, my take on the Nokia....fantastic. When you see all the people walking outside and eating at the temporary Wolfgang Puck restaurant, you get a taste of things to come. There is an amazing energy there. I can't wait for phase 2 and phase 3. The Nokia was perfect for a concert and seeing so many seats on one level really added to the festive atmosphere. The bartenders were a bit slow however..but polite (10.50 for a huge Sam Adams). The Nokia is contemporary, functional and comfortable...and full of excitement. The one couple who was visting from Phoenix were also going to Anaheim tonight to see the Ducks and Oilers (they are Oilers fans). So, right now the Nokia needs to accomodate all of those drivers.
     
     
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My bf and I walked over to the Nokia Plaza last night to grab a bite at the temporary Wolfgang spot, we we're also very happy to see the amount of energy this place gives off. Everyone seemed to be having a great time there, we were approached by a few individuals, but that's probably mainly because I was wearing my Boston Rsox shirt. We also can't wait until the second phase in here...but then again, we'll be complaining then we'll need retail after we get the restaurants...gotta be patient, I tell myself.

I'm not very happy to see that LA Central lot being used as a parking lot again...what the heck is going on? sucks!

Did anyone here pay a visit to Mode at the grand opening last night, I believe it was suppose to be at midnight last night?
     
     
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Mode..so Wilhelmina Slater is opening up a west coast branch for her magazine?

Seriously..I've heard alot about Mode. Where is it and what kind of food do they serve?
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nice meeting you btw. And if it helps you to understand me a little better, what problems I have with LA reflect those I have more broadly with capitalism and the direction it's taking humanity. LA just embodies it better than most, but you're quite right, it's everywhere, even in new york. I'll be the first to tell you metros are the new cities and commercialization is nearly unavoidable...and that goths are retarded (unless they're hot wiccan goth chicks with a cause).

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Okay,
Despite our obvious differences in the way we perceive things, I can appreciate your outlook as well. This city DOES need an overall change in attitude if it is going to sustain...as do all world cities. My only complaint was that you managed to simply paint us all as some mindless cheerleading squad for the way of life here, and that isnt fair.
But since you are a person of intelligence, I can just let go of all the BS and we can simply get back to talking about the development of LA.
I do think that LA Live seems to be getting off to a great start, despite its lack of this elusive "feeling" we keep hearing about.
Speaking of which, is the Park Fifth plan still including a renovation of Pershing Square? I was down there recently and even in its state of being somewhat ignored, it is still a fairly active area.
     
     
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Did anyone here pay a visit to Mode at the grand opening last night, I believe it was suppose to be at midnight last night?
Yeah, fridayinla and I went. Let's just put it this way: I hate the Downtown News. It wasn't open.
     
     
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I've been to LA many times now...but this trip was my first in downtown. As an east coaster I'm SHOCKED at the lack of retail at street level in many of the skyscrapers.

I know it's tough, but somehow retro active policy has to be implemented requiring street level retail if LA ever wants to have a bustling/sustainable downtown.

LA is a great place...it would be unbelievable with a vibrant downtown in addition to the great surrounding neighborhoods!
     
     
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I know it's tough, but somehow retro active policy has to be implemented requiring street level retail if LA ever wants to have a bustling/sustainable downtown.

A "sustainable" downtown does not and cannot depend on the requirement of "street level retail." Mainly two things, 1) downtown LA does not exist in a vacuum outside the rest of LA or the rest of the world, 2) it is not immune to resource depletion, which would render it unsustainable.
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We also can't wait until the second phase in here...but then again, we'll be complaining then we'll need retail after we get the restaurants...gotta be patient, I tell myself.
Retail at LA Live won't be necessary. The absence of retail ensures us that LA Live won't become another Hollywood & Highland Center. Thank God.

Would it make any difference? You'll have an even wider selection of retail once LA Central is completed. This will activate pedestrian traffic in and around Figueroa and create a vibrant urban district that, if done correctly, could surpass Hollywood Blvd. in the amount of pedestrian traffic it generates.
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re: wide streets. why can't we use the rightmost lanes for metered parking? Wouldn't this generate revenue? Is this a traffic issue? One of my favorite streets in downtown is 2nd street east of Broadway where people park along the street to briefly get a cup of fiore or stop at a store in LT or whatever. That street always felt more urban thanhe highway that is Figueroa despite that street's wall of towers and retail.
     
     
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From earlier today. They've moved the crane over to the north end of the lot, hopefully to start work on the northern wing of the building. So far, only 2/3 of the building's footprint has been built, but that 2/3 is already topped out. Kind of a strange construction method if you ask me.

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k3d, this is one of the best vantage points for construction shots of 717 Flower and Concerto as they start to get tall. LAofAnaheim has a good one too. I'm looking forward to watching these guys grow from both views.
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Bringing Back Broadway, Again

City Has Another Plan to Revive Key Corridor, Though Past Failures Indicate Nothing Will Be Easy

by Kathryn Maese

Over the last three decades, at least a dozen plans, studies and initiatives have been floated to recapture Broadway's former magic. The efforts all aim to recreate the era when streetcars traversed the busy corridor, well-heeled shoppers spent the day at department stores and wide-eyed theatergoers watched talkies in gilded movie houses.

But like Broadway's theaters over the years, those plans faded, victims of funding shortages, lack of political leadership and little to no consensus among the area's diverse and sometimes absentee property owners.

Now, a quiet effort headed by 14th District City Councilman José Huizar, the Downtown Los Angeles Neighborhood Council and the Historic Downtown Los Angeles Business Improvement District appears to be gaining traction in a way previous efforts have not. While observers acknowledge that it will not be easy to restore Broadway's luster, the growth of a residential community in Downtown is creating an urgency to act.

The first major step in years came last Tuesday, when the City Council approved a Huizar motion to hire a full-time city planner dedicated to the effort, spend $250,000 to develop the Broadway Specific Plan and address a parking shortage that has hindered the area's development.

"Historically, plans for Broad-way revitalization have come and gone over the years," Huizar said. "The initiatives have not lacked great ideas, but rather the commitment from both public and private entities to bring those ideas to fruition. There have been times when the property owners were ready but the city wasn't as engaged as it needed to be. There have been times when the city seemed ready but the property owners were not united."

For the first time, many of the area's key stakeholders are at the table, including theater owners, landlords, business leaders and community groups. The shared vision, initial plans for which could be completed by year's end, would turn Broadway between Third Street and Olympic Boulevard into an entertainment destination. It would diversify the largely Latino shopping hub with new retail, nightclubs, creative offices and live shows in renovated theaters.

"It's an important step forward for Broadway and we can't lose the moment," said Linda Dishman, executive director of preservation group the Los Angeles Conservancy. "The motion to do an overlay zone means this process can move faster than a specific plan and be more flexible in many ways."

In addition to creating incentives for new retail and tackling logistical issues such as the absence of theater loading docks and infrastructure, Huizar's motion aims to solve one of the main obstacles to creating a thriving theater zone: a severe lack of parking. Last week, the City Council directed four city departments to develop a report by the end of December on the feasibility of permanently using the Pershing Square garage a block west of Broadway at Sixth and Hill streets. Planners would also examine ways to improve pedestrian connections and signage along the corridor.

The garage is the only parking facility close to Broadway that could accommodate large theater and shopping crowds in the evenings. Huizar is also studying the possibility of building an elevator at the corner of Sixth and Hill streets and a kiosk that could sell tickets and direct patrons to theaters, similar to one in San Francisco's Union Square that offers half-price tickets and a Ticketmaster outlet.

"There is projected to be $30 million in Quimby fees generated from the Park Fifth skyscraper planned across the street that could be used," said Russ Brown, president of DLANC and director of the Historic Downtown BID, referring to funds paid by housing developers that go to park projects. "We want to activate it so that it connects to the surrounding neighborhood. One of the problems is that the parking garage is buried underneath the park and there's not a whole lot above that activates it now."

The Great Dim Way

For years Broadway has been viewed as one of Downtown's great failures. While a hodgepodge of retail bustles on the street level - and indeed, space on Broadway commands some of the highest rents in the region - behind and above the swap meet-style storefronts sit numerous neglected and mismanaged historic treasures. Whereas New York's Broadway is known as the Great White Way, Downtown Los Angeles' theater district has become the Great Dim Way. Despite boasting the largest concentration of historic movie palaces in the world, only one of the 11 venues is active year-round.

In 1977, city transportation planners floated a proposal to revitalize the area by closing it off to traffic and installing wide sidewalks and lush banks of trees. The vision was ultimately abandoned, as were several succeeding plans. The most recent effort, called Nighttime Broadway, focused on creating a 24-hour theater district by fast-tracking the city's permit process to spark development along Broadway from Third to Ninth streets. Announced with fanfare by former Mayor Jim Hahn, the initiative advocated extending operating hours past 2 a.m. and encouraging the development of a pedestrian mall.

The plan never took off.

Proponents of the current effort say this time things are different. For one, housing development in the area has begun to create a demand for more entertainment and late-night venues. The $2 billion Grand Avenue shopping and cultural hub a few blocks north is also underway, and Broadway could become the link between it and the L.A. Live sports and entertainment district on the south.

"About 1,200 residential units are in or going in directly on Broadway, and we will soon have tens of thousands of people living Downtown," Huizar said. "The growing Downtown residential community will need a diverse range of retail and commercial amenities, restaurants, entertainment and nightlife close to home. A revitalized Broadway will help connect this part of Downtown to the other great destination amenities being put together right now."

Additionally, many landlords who have sat on properties for years have begun to see the profit potential in enlivening the corridor, which glowed with a sea of vertical neon marquees and illuminated storefronts. That radical shift has been partly the work of the Historic Downtown BID and theater owner Michael Delijani, a founding member of the business group who is working closely with Huizar on the Broadway plan.

Delijani owns numerous properties along the corridor, including four of Broadway's most stunning theaters - the Los Angeles, Palace, Tower and State. Among those, the Los Angeles, at 615 S. Broadway, is the most active, hosting occasional fashion shows, film festivals and other special events. Although some on the street grumble that Delijani has done little with his properties, over the years he has sunk millions into restoring the Los Angeles Theatre, and during the summer he removed decades of filth and grime that marred each theater's façade.

Delijani said he is working on a budget and renovation plan to activate each theater, some with retail and others with bars and restaurants. Earlier this year he purchased the Tower Theater at 802 S. Broadway, which he said could be converted into a boutique hotel; he also received a liquor license for the Los Angeles Theatre.

"In order to make this Broadway plan happen, it's important to have nightlife fill in the gap between the theaters," he said. "We need businesses, restaurants and retail to stay open so that people want to walk around from theater to theater."

Several key parcels are slated to open in the next few months (see sidebar). The most significant is the Million Dollar Theatre, which anchors the district on the north at Third and Broadway.

Partner and manager Robert Voskanian has spent more than $1 million to spruce up the 1918 theater, which was built by Sid Grauman and seats 2,100 people. The space was in poor shape when Voskanian took it over, the once brilliantly painted walls and ceilings whitewashed. The refurbished venue, which has largely been restored to its original splendor, will host film screenings, movie premieres, stage performances and concerts. Although Voskanian has been working on the project for years, he said it could hold a soft opening by the end of the year.

"The Million Dollar is one of the most important theaters on Broadway because it was one of the original theaters," said Voskanian, who operated Downtown's Stock Exchange nightclub until last year. "Every day I'm surprised at how many people walk in and say they used to come here when they were kids with their mom and dad. It's especially important and popular in the Hispanic culture."

Voskanian, who graduated from film school, said he plans to activate the theater through in-house booking and promoters. "I'm betting on Broadway coming back," he said. "That's why we spent so much money on this."

Also on track to open in the coming months is the Broadway Arcade Building, where a mid-block arcade stretching between Broadway and Spring Street has been refurbished; it will come online along with 142 apartments. In addition, the Judson C. Rives Building at 424 S. Broadway is undergoing an $11 million renovation that will include 60 apartments.

An 'Organic' Effort

Unlike previous plans, stakeholders say the Huizar-led effort seems to be evolving around market demand, not a forced vision of what Broadway should look like.

"It's organic," said Brady Westwater, a member of the DLANC arts committee who is working on the Broadway initiative. "We're looking at the strengths of what the community is as opposed to trying to build the Grove Downtown. This is about how do we meet their needs?"

Westwater and Brown are trying to attract new retail to the ground floor and creative offices in the empty buildings above. DLANC hopes to house three museums along Broadway, along with art galleries, cultural institutions, performance venues, and antique and book dealers. So far, Westwater said, property owners have been surprisingly accommodating, even offering discounts on rent to non-profits eager to occupy unused upper floor space.

"There is an incredible opportunity to develop a real creative core for all the arts here," Westwater said.

Brown said that by spring he hopes to have a "culture crawl" one night a month that would expand on the wild success of Downtown's monthly Art Walk. That event draws thousands to stroll the streets, browse galleries and fill restaurants and bars.

"We want to further expand the art galleries, but also theater, dance, film, music and fashion," Brown said. "There is a natural synergy between those two communities."

Transportation also figures prominently into bringing Broadway back. As in Broadway's heyday, the Red Car trolley tops the agenda. The idea has political support from U.S. Congresswoman Lucille Roybal-Allard, who three years ago secured $100,000 for a feasibility study on bringing the fabled trolley system back to Downtown. Early estimates pegged the five-mile route at $50 million, though no funding sources have been identified.

"The Historic Core is a natural pathway to get people from Grand Avenue to Staples Center and the Convention Center," Brown said. "A Downtown transportation system is the logical step. Downtown Portland has a trolley system, and once you're there you never need a car to get around to most of the neighborhoods."

In the short term, stakeholders say the Downtown DASH bus needs to operate beyond 6 p.m. and create more stops. Currently there are no stops along Broadway.

Though revitalizing Broadway would be a complex, long-term project, some like Dishman believe baby steps can go a long way in making an immediate improvement in the area. As an example, she cited Spring Street property owner Izek Shomof, who includes a clause in each lease that requires commercial tenants to keep their lights on until midnight or 2 a.m.

Others say replacing the street's gauntlet of solid metal roll-down gates covering stores with see-through models would create instant visual impact for pedestrians and light up the street.

While most historic theater districts that have been revitalized across the country are funded through a city entity, the Downtown Los Angeles effort would likely be bankrolled through a mix of sources and grants. Though financing has yet to be nailed down, a few possibilities could include the L.A. Department of Transportation, Route 66 money (part of Broadway lies along the historic thoroughfare), Save America's Treasures, and state funds for infrastructure.

"People look at Broadway and leave it up to the property owners," said Tara Jones, a preservation consultant who also works with Delijani. "Any historic core you look at, whether Hollywood or Philadelphia or Cleveland, the city stepped up with redevelopment funds, revolving loan funds and completely re-landscaped the street. L.A. has a huge handicap."

Still, stakeholders and political leaders agree that the time for Broadway's encore has arrived. With national media attention surrounding the Downtown residential and cultural renaissance, stakeholders such as Delijani believe the theater district has a chance to recapture its place as the city's entertainment center.

"This is the best opportunity we have to make it happen now," Delijani said. "It has to happen."

Transforming Broadway

Six Projects Changing the Face of a Key Corridor

Numerous notable projects are unfolding along the Broadway corridor in Downtown Los Angeles, from residential rehabs to sleek office towers. Each is adding new life to once abandoned or underused structures. Here is a peek at six.

Million Dollar Theatre: Robert Voskanian, a partner in the building, has spent more than $1 million to spruce up the 1918 theater at 307 S. Broadway, which seats more than 2,000 people and will host film screenings, movie premieres, stage performances and concerts. It is set for a soft opening by year's end.

Arcade Building: On track to open in the coming months is the Broadway Arcade Building. The mid-block arcade at 540 S. Broadway, stretching between Broadway and Spring Street, has been refurbished and will come online along with 142 apartments.

Chapman Lofts: This $30 million project at Eighth Street and Broadway is set to open soon with 168 condos. The 13-story, 94-year-old edifice once housed garment manufacturers. The building will keep its original decorative façade, doors, columns and window trim and create a rooftop garden.

Pan American Lofts: Residents have moved in to this 111-year-old former office building at Third Street and Broadway, which opened this summer. The $20 million project includes 40 condominiums and 6,400 square feet of retail space. It is across the street from the Million Dollar Theatre.

Judson C. Rives Building: This $11 million renovation will transform the 10-story former theater and office building at 424 S. Broadway. Expected to open in the next few months, the project includes 60 apartments and will retain historic elements such as the marble and metal vaulted ceilings and glass canopy. New balconies will overlook Broadway.

Metropolitan Building: Located at 315 W. Fifth St. (at Broadway) this project will rehab the 10-story building into 84 apartments by next fall. The ground floor will retain its discount department store, Fallas Paredes, though the storefront will be modernized.

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Good to hear that the Million Dollar Theater might have a soft opening before the end of the year. Now if only the retail spaces in the Douglas and Pan American Lofts would show some life or activity. It seems like the Douglas spaces have been under the same state of "on-hold" construction for over 4 months now.

On another note, I updated the first page:

1) Added larger render of 1111 Wilshire
2) Added 1233 S. Hope
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Good to hear that the Million Dollar Theater might have a soft opening before the end of the year.

Like the mistake DT News has made about the grand opening date of Mode on Olive St., they took what Voskanian said out of context and made a claim that may or may not ever happen (having a soft opening at the end of the year). Voskanian said he has put a lot of money into this project, enough so that it's probably presentable to the public. However, that's different then the DT News saying "Oh! Well, then he's gonna have a soft opening then since it's ready for one!" The DT News' way of keeping people happy about DTLA's development through blind optimism can be annoying.
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