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Old Posted Oct 21, 2007, 5:09 PM
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the sign is ON the building tho
Probably for no other reasone than it makes a good stand for the time being...
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2007, 8:47 PM
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To the post above I do like the Monti's design its to bad they now have to redesign the project

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1020evmontis1020.html
"I would request that you go back to the drawing board and see what you can come up with and leave this building alone," said commission member Ann Patterson.

The commission told developers to come back to the Nov. 1 meeting with revised plans.
Nov. 1? Thanks a lot, that gives us a lot of time to completely revamp the design. I agree with both parties quoted in the article. I think the developer has a good point, and that he can "leave this building alone," as requested by the commission. I think a project bringing this density to the end of Mill will extend the activity of Mill at the pedestrian level, something the north end of Mill really lacks right now, with the mill itself fenced off as well as the parking lot for US Airways.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2007, 4:36 AM
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I was over by the Mosaic lot today, and I can't tell what they're doing. There's a huge pile of dirt/gravel in one corner of the lot and they had some type of makeshift sprinkler system set up water the lot... I thought they might be trying to soften up the ground before they began actual digging, but why would you do that if you had a big earth-mover?
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2007, 3:17 PM
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October 22, 2007 - 2:36AM
Owner: Tower above Monti’s only answer
Garin Groff, Tribune

The owner of Monti’s La Casa Vieja says the only way to save the historic adobe building is to build a 300-foot glass and steel building above it.

The building — the oldest in the Valley — would remain largely untouched. But concrete columns would sit in front of it to support the mass of what’s above.

Michael Monti’s proposal has generated support, opposition — and a passionate debate over just what is historic and how to ensure future generations can experience what is often considered the Valley’s most important historic structure.

Historical preservation advocates are largely siding against Monti’s plan, saying the new structure would swallow the low-slung building constructed in 1873.

“It somewhat hides it,” said Bob Gasser, chairman of the city’s Historic Preservation Commission.

The plan isn’t an honest attempt to save the home built in 1871 by Tempe founder Charles Trumbull Hayden, said Ann Patterson, a commission member. She blasted it as “window dressing.”

Though Monti said his plan will leave the inside untouched, changing the building’s setting could get the adobe structure kicked off state and national historic registries, said Jim Garrison, the state’s historic preservation officer.

The city’s historic commission opposes the high-rise above the historic building, insisting that Monti’s should stand out and the new high-rise should serve as a backdrop.

So far, though. Monti has scoffed at the idea of keeping the existing building so visible.

“Nobody ever said, ‘I had a great time leaning up against your stucco wall,’ ” Monti said.

The real historic value of the building is its rooms, he said. Hayden built it room by room, and generations of people experienced the building by the flow of the rooms.

Monti wants the high-rise to incorporate his building so the entire project will feel like one entity. Separating his restaurant could make it harder to draw patrons and force him to sell to somebody who might not care as much about the building’s history, he said.

The restaurant once drew patrons from across the Valley, and two-hour waits were common even after numerous expansions brought seating capacity to 725. But the restaurant industry has changed vastly since Monti’s father, Leonard, expanded the restaurant.

Too many customers stopped coming as downtown boomed and became more congested. Monti wants to make the place more upscale and to do a better job highlighting its historic features. But Monti said he needs money for that and to fix some of the “haphazard” things his father did, including some changes that Monti said were literally accomplished based on sketches on a cocktail napkin.

Monti said he’s heard criticism that his father wouldn’t have sold. But during a recent tour of the restaurant, he pulled a 9-inch-thick file labeled “Monti’s sale attempts.” The file shows his father constantly entertained offers until his death in 1994.

The high-rise boom downtown is now making the property more valuable, just as congestion is chasing away more customers.

“It’s sort of a great opportunity presented at a great time of crisis,” Monti said.

Monti does have the support of the Hayden family, including 50-year-old Carl Hayden. Like Monti, he said the inside is the most important part of the building.

“My great-grandfather was a businessman,” Hayden said. “I think he’d love to see this happen.”

Still, the historic commission has asked Monti to develop two different plans. Some members want the new building pushed back at least 20 feet along Mill Avenue and Rio Salado Parkway. That would keep anything from hanging over the L-shaped portion built of adobe in various phases in the 1800s. And pillars would move inside so nothing blocked the building.

Others wanted to go farther so nothing would hang over the 11,000 square feet of building Monti plans to keep. The commission will review those options Nov. 1.

Either alternative could threaten the adobe portion, said Monti and developer Tony Wall, president of 3W Companies. The exterior pillars are about 3 feet in diameter, they said, but moving them inside requires a different structural system and pillars 10 to 12 feet in diameter.

That could destroy the feeling of the interior, Monti said, or force so much ground disturbance that the adobe structure would turn to rubble. He’s still trying to make the case his plan is the best — if not the only — way to preserve the site’s history.

“We have to evolve,” Monti said. ‘What we’re trying to do is save this building for another generation. Everything we’re doing is consistent with what’s happened historically.”

EDIT: Go here to see the article, a slide show, a video, and a graphic of the site
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/100187

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Old Posted Oct 22, 2007, 8:53 PM
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I was over by the Mosaic lot today, and I can't tell what they're doing. There's a huge pile of dirt/gravel in one corner of the lot and they had some type of makeshift sprinkler system set up water the lot... I thought they might be trying to soften up the ground before they began actual digging, but why would you do that if you had a big earth-mover?
Pre-wetting a site may be a dust-control requirement, or it's possible they're selling the dirt from the parking garage and the buyer made arrangements to have the moisture increased, or maybe they're wetting the surface parking areas because of recommendations made in the geotechnical report (which deals with issues of soil plasticity, expansion/collapse potential, and a variety of other extremely boring engineering/dirt terms). So really I have no idea why they would be pre-wetting the site, but I'm sure it's nothing too out of the ordinary.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2007, 8:58 PM
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maybe they are just preparing for a mudwrestling contest featuring hot supermodel babes of the Pac 10....
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2007, 9:16 PM
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Pretty sure they would have advertised, were that the case. Plus it's almost too cool for such behavior, at least outside. Not to say I wouldn't enjoy such an event...
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Pretty sure they would have advertised, were that the case. Plus it's almost too cool for such behavior, at least outside. Not to say I wouldn't enjoy such an event...

um. im pretty sure he was joking! lol

BTW, watering the site is most likely due to dust control as fines for violating are very high.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2007, 5:35 PM
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Goodbye Long Wongs (Again)

Nobody seemed to mention this on the boards, but Long Wongs on Mill, south of University, has already closed. Seems like that CVS Pharmacy will be started on soon. I mentioned this before but I don't like that CVS Pharmacy there or in a 1 story building with a big parking lot around it.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2007, 5:19 AM
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Has construction started on mosaic?
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2007, 7:30 PM
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Mosiac

Looks like Mosiac will start soon. I walked by today and noticed there was a new sign on the fence advertising the shoring and excavation team. Like the post above said, they have been watering the ground routinely and there is a large dirt pile that is fairly new. Also looks like there could be some new marks as far as cones and spray paint on the ground site also. Lets hope this project starts soon!! There is also some activity on ASU block 12 inbetween forest and college ave. Anyone know what's happening there?
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2007, 7:33 PM
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^^^yeah you beat me to it....Mosaic is about to start....was just by there today too....watering down the lot for dust control when they start excavation.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2007, 7:49 PM
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Bandersnatch to be demolished Thursday
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Bandersnatch Brew Pub is scheduled to come tumbling down starting Thursday.

The gritty, downtown Tempe watering hole operated at the intersection of Fifth Street and Forest Avenue, a quick halftime walk from Sun Devil Stadium, for about three decades. It is slated to be replaced with a sleek new 11-story Marriott Residence Inn and parking garage.

A demolition crew will begin Thursday by removing the signs, ironwork art and handmade stained glass from inside the bar. Those pieces, along with the unique wooden front entry doors and a wood sculpture inside, are going to be squirreled away so they can be used to decorate the new Marriott's hotel bar, according to Darcy Gray, of Layton Construction.

The building itself will come down starting Friday. Clearing the site should take a four-person work-crew up to two weeks, Layton said.

Construction is expected to begin on the Marriott in mid-January, and it would open about 15 months after that.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2007, 9:30 PM
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There is also some activity on ASU block 12 inbetween forest and college ave. Anyone know what's happening there?
First of all, welcome to the forum!

Are you talking about the area north of University? If so, there is new 22 story building planned for that area.

From the tempe Dev web site:

"The ASU Newman Center/ All Saints Student Community development will extend the abilities of the current church. A new 22-story building will be constructed behind the existing chapel.

The new development will include 180 apartments, a 640-seat sanctuary, a new chapel to complement the existing one, a 4,800 sq ft social hall for weddings and community celebrations, approximately 7,000 sq ft in classroom and meeting space, and a church library. Gardens and an outdoor pavillion are also part of the future plans."

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Old Posted Oct 24, 2007, 9:35 PM
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^^^ How are they paying for this development? 180 apartments are supposed to pay for 22 stories? I like that the way the tower is located, it won't take away from the existing chapel and the way that the Fulton Center addresses the street at this intersection. Now if only they could add some retail to help make up for what was lost at the Arches...
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2007, 9:42 PM
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^This isn't located where the Arches were I don't think. AHHH... I cant think off the top of my head what the name of that project is....on university...I want to say Luna is going where the Arches were, but that doesn't sound right
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2007, 9:48 PM
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^^ University Square is going where the arches were. Well will be going once Dave's Dog House decides to sell. As for the area I was talking about, it's not located behind the church. It's about 2 blocks northwest of that location. I saw them watering the site today.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2007, 9:53 PM
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^^^an empty lot on the corner of college?...
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They cleared out an area in the middle of a block between college and forest.
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