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Old Posted Oct 15, 2007, 10:23 PM
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 2:20 AM
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I went on a canoe trip up the Willamette on Saturday and snapped some pics of South Waterfront.

My favorite building so far is definitely the Atwater. Certainly the most interesting to look at, with its shape that seems to sort of cascade down towards the river. The glass is too similar to John Ross, though, a building that I like at the base, but don't particularly enjoy looking at from afar, despite its ellipticism.

I feel more strongly than ever that the height limits as they are now are a looming mistake. In fact, if I could I'd stop all planning right now and take a second look at what could be done to vary the heights (not to even mention building materials) of the next bunch of buildings in the pipeline, even just trading FAR between some of the buildings, so that some can be taller and some shorter than the existing limits and developers can still get their precious money. I might also orient a few buildings north-south-skinny, too, regardless of the loss of views to people in the hills. How it all looks from other areas of the city is just as important. From our canoe, the future of the area looked dubious to my eyes. Sorry... especially from the south, it just looks monolithic, even squat, that dreaded Portland curse. I do think that as build-out continues some of the monolithic effect will be lessened, but still. Can we master-plan some more diversity here?

In my ideal hand-of-god impossible reality, I think I would have facilitated the construction of most of these towers downtown... or maybe a few (like the less-than-stellar Meriwether) next to the Marquam with the tram terminating in the middle of the future Schnitzer OHSU campus. I would have used what is now Sowa to create a giant riverfront urban oak-savannah park (with the streetcar still running through it to Lake O). I know, pointless, but it just seems dumb to tower-sprawl out of downtown like this when downtown/dt riverfront itself is so far from being built out + full of parking garages and surface lots, and is begging for more vertical living and 24-hour activity. Portland's whole central city area is looking and feeling less cohesive to me than ever with this awkward profusion of towers south of the Ross Island bridge. I would have centralized the density much more. Just something I've been thinking about that has been nagging at me. Maybe I'll change my mind.

Anyways, thanks for reading and here are those photos.









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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 2:29 AM
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I liked your little rant tworivers, the john ross is definitely the most disappointing building in the south waterfront
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I am not fond of the Atwater...too massive for my tastes. I am a fan of the John Ross and 3720. I agree that there needs more variety in building heights (some taller that the 320' and some shorter). Building materials can be more varied. I think a Metropolitan Tower look (color) would be a great addition. I think the SoWa will connect with downtown just fine. It will take a few years but that property along the river is too valuable to sit. I am looking forward to the Mirabella getting started...
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 4:08 AM
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Is it pretty much set in stone that 325' is the absolute max height limit at SoWa?
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 5:21 AM
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So is it true that if zidells m37 claim goes through his land will have no height limits? If so, i really, really hope it goes through
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 3:29 PM
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^not if 49 passes!

If it is bad public policy, it isn't right to use it even when it matches our interests.

...that said...if it did happen, and they built a couple 400' to 500', I wouldn't be crying about it...
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 4:47 PM
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How does M49 affect height limits within the UGB? From what I understand, it only reigns in the sprawl on areas outside of UGBs, where developers are hellbent on subdividing farm and forest land.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 7:39 PM
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I believe M49 ends all commercial and industrial claims. As well, it allows 1 to 3 homes easily and up to 10. I think that would eliminate a really tall tower with a couple hundred homes.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 8:11 PM
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Hmm, I thought that just stopped industrial and commercial development in areas outside the UGB. Well, I'm still voting for M49. We'll have to find some other way around the height limits.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2007, 1:46 AM
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⇯⥣ Very cool!
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2007, 4:17 AM
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and the park still sits there, empty...
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I don't know, I don't really mind the empty park. If I remember correctly, they said they were going to work on planning it once all the residents moved in so they could have a voice in its design, and since construction has slowed down, I don't have a problem with them delaying the design of the park for a few years.

After all, if it's going to be around for 100 years, might as well do it right as opposed to doing it quickly, but having it be something the neighbors hate.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2007, 7:06 AM
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I don't know, I don't really mind the empty park. If I remember correctly, they said they were going to work on planning it once all the residents moved in so they could have a voice in its design, and since construction has slowed down, I don't have a problem with them delaying the design of the park for a few years.

After all, if it's going to be around for 100 years, might as well do it right as opposed to doing it quickly, but having it be something the neighbors hate.
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RFP responses for South Waterfront park are in

POSTED: 03:05 PM PDT Monday, October 22, 2007
BY ALISON RYAN

Eleven firms put in proposals to design South Waterfront's two-block neighborhood park.

The Parks Bureau's request for proposals closed on Friday. A design team is expected to be selected as early as December.

Among the 11 submitters are Portland firms Mayer/Reed, Koch Landscape Architecture, Murase Associates, Otak and Nevue Ngan Associates. Outside-Portland firms are Civitas of Denver, gdu of Mexico (ooh, international applicant), oslund.and.assoc. of Minneapolis, Sasaki Associates of San Francisco, and stossLandscapeUrbanism of Boston.

In related news, many landscape architecture firms are doing interesting things with pUN/ctuA.tiON these days.

http://www.djcoregon.com/articleDetail.h...sponses-for-South-Waterfront-park-are-in
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2007, 6:35 AM
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I live in the lair hill area and i just a questionaire form about these two park projects from pp&r. I'm eager to see how these turn out.
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Old Posted Nov 1, 2007, 3:06 AM
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Cool shots! The first one looks like close encounters...
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