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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 3:30 AM
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Snashcan, I dont disagree with you, I like living downtown, problem is alot of people don't. and The vast majority of people living in new homes are building/buying in the burbs. its just the straight facts that more people are moving to the outskirts than are coming downtown, thats the trend everywhere in Canada. And yes the city needs to try and keep the balance between the two.

But its because of the attitude of "can't change it". People will live downtown, if you don't build all the suburbs then they wont go homeless. But London lets developers walk all over them and build quick profit subdivisions, after working at City Hall I see that the city had no interest in stopping sprawl, but not expanding the growth boundary is a step. And this is not the case for every canadian city, Vancouver and Toronto both have explosive growth in thei downtowns. London can have it, if one builder wont build another will come along, there is always money to be made.
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I don't see lrt running at grade on richmond or oxford. The city would have to buy up all the properties on one side of the road to make space. But the one up side would be that if they do buy up all the properties on one side, they can expand from 4 to 6 lanes. But with all those acquisitions your better off grade separating, it's quicker service and safer.
They could always decrease the lanes, the whole idea of investing in public transit and reducing auto dependency. and you can have light rail and auto operate at on the same lane, ie Toronto.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 3:57 AM
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They could always decrease the lanes, the whole idea of investing in public transit and reducing auto dependency. and you can have light rail and auto operate at on the same lane, ie Toronto.
Ya, but going from 4 to 2 is a bad idea. Minor fender benders and car breakdowns will cause huge backups if cars can't easily change lanes and pass.
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But its because of the attitude of "can't change it". People will live downtown, if you don't build all the suburbs then they wont go homeless. But London lets developers walk all over them and build quick profit subdivisions, after working at City Hall I see that the city had no interest in stopping sprawl, but not expanding the growth boundary is a step. And this is not the case for every canadian city, Vancouver and Toronto both have explosive growth in thei downtowns. London can have it, if one builder wont build another will come along, there is always money to be made.
I soooo disagree with this. First off, people won't live in a downtown high-rise for the simple reason that there's no available housing in the suburbs. It will deter investment away from London and you'll see families, in particular, heading for greener pastures. The downside of urban growth boundaries is that they can actually make a city even more sprawled out. Take Ottawa for example, where development has leap-frogged outside the greenbelt on all sides. However, expanding the UGB incrementally (not providing rediculous amounts of space) can help keep suburban development contigious to the urbanized area and avoid spread-out exurbs.

Toronto and Vancouver do have explosive growth in their downtowns, but it has nothing to do with urban growth boundaries. It has everything to do with market demand, plus government incentives (such as subsidies for brownfield clean-up). Getting more people to live in downtown London requires people wanting to live there. Across the country, families still continue to prefer suburbs. It's no different in Toronto and Vancouver either. But if London can make singles, retirees, and couples without children want the urban experience, then its downtown will do well. Just keep in mind that demographics and market demand play a big role.

I think London needs both LRT and a ring road. Knowing that suburban growth is going to happen, there's a couple things that can be done to better manage it. First, try to attract industry to suburban London by building a ring road around the city, connecting it to the 401 in the south. It will also make it easier for out-of-towners to get around the city, without puncturing through neighbourhoods like many other cities have done with their expressways. And of course, the LRT. London is reaching the critical mass where it needs to start thinking about this. Part of keeping a viable core is for it to be accessible. It would also serve as a backbone for London transit and improve the efficiency of the whole system.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 8:40 PM
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Toronto and Vancouver do have explosive growth in their downtowns, but it has nothing to do with urban growth boundaries. It has everything to do with market demand, plus government incentives (such as subsidies for brownfield clean-up). Getting more people to live in downtown London requires people wanting to live there. Across the country, families still continue to prefer suburbs. It's no different in Toronto and Vancouver either. But if London can make singles, retirees, and couples without children want the urban experience, then its downtown will do well. Just keep in mind that demographics and market demand play a big role.
This is the typical statement I hear when making this arguement, that london does not have the market. Simply put you must create your own market, as much as you want to believe people only want suburban lifestyle, its much more the developers controlling this type of growth. As long as there are jobs people will move to that city, if there are a ton of new jobs and only dense downtown (not always high rise) living is available, do you think people just wont come? People will go where the jobs are, they will live in whatever is availabe (ie Calgary). Mind you London is no hot bed of jobs right now, but it does have a steady economy and there are always jobs available.

I know all too well about how much demographics and market demand have a role. But its amazing how many people will say, "well everyone wants a house in the suburbs" with out any real fact. I know a large amount of the mid 20 population is looking for the downtown urban lifestyle, not the suburbs. Realizing London is some what of a retirement hub, it plays a huge factor in planning, but I see more and more retirees living in smaller townhomes/rowhomes, which are great in a downtown setting.

It's unfortunate that so many people listen to the developer rather then the public, since the developer is what is really controlling the lifestyle for londonites. I highly doubt people dream of living in the subdivisions that the london developers are building today. People are buying them, but the city isn't strognly promoting infill, so the people have no choice but to buy the one type of housing being built in London.

If people don't want to live in a dense downtown setting, what the hell do you call all of Europe then?
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I agree that the developers control the housing market. BUT thats where it becomes the cities job to step in. I know people are limited for choice, but I honestly believe most people past the 20 somethings don't really jump all over condo living. Yes we have to create the demand before the developers will build that way, but thats the point I guess, I think they are building what they see as the desirable housing type. I doubt that its more cost effective for them to build houses over apts or row houses etc. but thats just me speculating, I dont really know for sure. Its going to take a massive swing in opinion and yeah its true, Londons population is getting older, maybe that will change things soon, but its hard to say if we'll see more growth downtown or just more condo parks and golf courses. I think it will probably be the second option, but hey I hope Im wrong
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This is the typical statement I hear when making this arguement, that london does not have the market. Simply put you must create your own market, as much as you want to believe people only want suburban lifestyle, its much more the developers controlling this type of growth. As long as there are jobs people will move to that city, if there are a ton of new jobs and only dense downtown (not always high rise) living is available, do you think people just wont come? People will go where the jobs are, they will live in whatever is availabe (ie Calgary). Mind you London is no hot bed of jobs right now, but it does have a steady economy and there are always jobs available.

I know all too well about how much demographics and market demand have a role. But its amazing how many people will say, "well everyone wants a house in the suburbs" with out any real fact. I know a large amount of the mid 20 population is looking for the downtown urban lifestyle, not the suburbs. Realizing London is some what of a retirement hub, it plays a huge factor in planning, but I see more and more retirees living in smaller townhomes/rowhomes, which are great in a downtown setting.

It's unfortunate that so many people listen to the developer rather then the public, since the developer is what is really controlling the lifestyle for londonites. I highly doubt people dream of living in the subdivisions that the london developers are building today. People are buying them, but the city isn't strognly promoting infill, so the people have no choice but to buy the one type of housing being built in London.

If people don't want to live in a dense downtown setting, what the hell do you call all of Europe then?
Perhaps you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I don't mean that London doesn't have demand for downtown living. I'm just saying that, like most cities, there's a large suburban demand as well. I just don't think that cutting off the supply of single-family homes will make the suburbia-lovers live downtown. As sad as it is, people will commute for their little patch of grass and 2 car garage. So what restrictions does St. Thomas have? Strathroy? Ingersoll? Woodstock? And that's the problem with UGBs. They'll actually worsen the effects of urban sprawl by making it even more fragmented.

So what can London do? Its absolute best in making sure the urbanites can find their lifestyle downtown. Does London offer developer incentives on the redevelopment of brownfields? What kind of loft projects are going on? Even in a place like Kitchener, where the downtown was neglected for decades, lofts are insanely popular. Presumably Western must be making some expansions. Has the university thought of locating a satellite campus downtown? There's tons of things London can do to ensure the urban-minded population has a shot at living downtown. Unfortunately, there's a lot more red tape with intensification than there is with greenfield development, so the city needs to be proactive in working with interested developers to ease the process. With an aging population and lower birth rates, you also have demographics in your favour.
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Perhaps you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I don't mean that London doesn't have demand for downtown living. I'm just saying that, like most cities, there's a large suburban demand as well. I just don't think that cutting off the supply of single-family homes will make the suburbia-lovers live downtown. As sad as it is, people will commute for their little patch of grass and 2 car garage. So what restrictions does St. Thomas have? Strathroy? Ingersoll? Woodstock? And that's the problem with UGBs. They'll actually worsen the effects of urban sprawl by making it even more fragmented.

So what can London do? Its absolute best in making sure the urbanites can find their lifestyle downtown. Does London offer developer incentives on the redevelopment of brownfields? What kind of loft projects are going on? Even in a place like Kitchener, where the downtown was neglected for decades, lofts are insanely popular. Presumably Western must be making some expansions. Has the university thought of locating a satellite campus downtown? There's tons of things London can do to ensure the urban-minded population has a shot at living downtown. Unfortunately, there's a lot more red tape with intensification than there is with greenfield development, so the city needs to be proactive in working with interested developers to ease the process. With an aging population and lower birth rates, you also have demographics in your favour.
I understand, and agree that there will always be those folks who just have to have that so called "patch of Grass". London is trying to increase interest in downtown, but not enough. Since I did work in the planning department there, I was on the inside of all of this. But they do easily back down to the developers and they have really low standards. They are still looking to hire the cities first urban designer, while other cities have full teams devoted to urban design. Some of the horrible councillers and Board of control folk are the main reason london allows sooo much single family homes to be built.
And it is not likely that subdivisions at the size of the ones in london would just move off to a place like Ingersoll or St.Thomas.
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I agree that the developers control the housing market. BUT thats where it becomes the cities job to step in. I know people are limited for choice, but I honestly believe most people past the 20 somethings don't really jump all over condo living. Yes we have to create the demand before the developers will build that way, but thats the point I guess, I think they are building what they see as the desirable housing type. I doubt that its more cost effective for them to build houses over apts or row houses etc. but thats just me speculating, I dont really know for sure. Its going to take a massive swing in opinion and yeah its true, Londons population is getting older, maybe that will change things soon, but its hard to say if we'll see more growth downtown or just more condo parks and golf courses. I think it will probably be the second option, but hey I hope Im wrong
It is actually quite a bit more profitable to build those huge subdivisions as apposed to downtown infill.

1st reason is that the land is much more expensive downtown, where as these outlying subdivisions are built on land which the Developer probabally owned before it came within the urban growth boundary. For example if say land outside the UGB was $10,000 an acre, once it is included in the boundary you can expect it to jump to $70,000-$80,000 an acre once a plan of subdivision is done. Then slap a slew of cookie cutter houses on it and sell them off and enormous profit. (those prices arn't real prices by any means)

2nd reason is that the city actually does have much higher standards for downtown development, where as subdivisions can fly through with what we've all seen as an absolute horrendous develpment.
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I heard of the idea of taxing more based on how far you are from a certain point, let's say intersection of Dundas and Richmond. For every KM for that point your taxes go up 1% or something along those lines. That way you can artificially increase the cost of living in the suburbs and more incentive to live in the city. Also wouldn't mind see limits in condo fees and maybe a tax credit towards them.
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A new Motor City

A new Motor City

Sat, October 20, 2007

Take Cami in Ingersoll and the Toyota plant in Cambridge, add the new giant Toyota facility opening next year in Woodstock, sprinkle in dozens of parts plants that have settled in the region in the last few years and top it all off with heavy investment b

By NORMAN DE BONO




Rural Southwestern Ontario - with London right in the heart of it - is rapidly turning into the automotive capital of Canada.
The future of the automotive industry in Canada is a line -- a meandering line curving from London's backyard and following Highway 401 east.

From Ingersoll to Woodstock and Cambridge is nearly a straight shot down the 401, an hour-long drive down the Auto Line that will propel you into the fastest growing automotive market in Canada.

Those communities boast two established, and very busy, automotive assembly plants in Cami in Ingersoll and Toyota in Cambridge, and a third, a Toyota plant in Woodstock, is rising as quickly as Southwestern Ontario's reputation as an auto powerhouse.

The Toyota plants will employ about 6,500 and Cami has 2,700 on the payroll.

Add to that the eight parts assembly plants that have landed in the Woodstock area over the last two years alone to feed Toyota in Woodstock, and the 13 that have landed in London over the past seven years, and the region is positioned to supplant Windsor as Canada's Motor City.


"Woodstock has emerged as an automotive city," said Len Magyar, that city's economic development officer. "Woodstock has always been strong in manufacturing. Auto was always the backbone and it will continue to be that now."

Magyar agreed Southern Ontario is Canada's new auto hub, saying development to date is just the beginning -- there will be more auto investment in the region.

"In our marketing strategy we have emphasized the continuing growth of this region," Magyar said.

Woodstock will serve as a sister plant to the Cambridge operation, but rumours have been rampant Toyota is looking at expanding in Woodstock as it needs to make even more vehicles to meet growing market demand for its product.

Workers on the site have spoken about clearing land for a second plant and the city has already done a traffic study on the impact a second plant would have on the area.

As for the city itself, Woodstock now has a population of about 35,000. That's projected to grow to 51,000 by 2031.

"The growth rate in terms of residents is going to explode," Magyar said. "It will grow and it will be very positive for this community, but what we prefer is slow, steady growth."

Craig Wallace, manager of building for Woodstock, calls the Toyota boom a "once-in-a-lifetime thing" for the city.

"I think we really do not yet know what this will do for us. We are seeing a lot of industrial development in the city and a lot of it is Toyota related."

In 2006, the value of building in Woodstock topped $138.5 million, nearly double the old record in 2003 of $73 million. Of the total last year, industrial set a record, accounting for $80.7 million.

The residential sector followed suit with $47.7 million worth of new home construction last year, the second highest year on record behind only the boom year of 1989, which had about $50 million in building.

"When the new plant was announced we saw a peak in the housing market," said Lori Goldhawk, president of the Woodstock-Ingersoll Real Estate Board.

"What we have experienced since then is a very strong market. This seems to be driving part of the market. We are seeing how the automotive industry does impact both negatively or positively what happens to the general economy."

When it opens in September 2008, the $1.1-billion Woodstock Toyota plant, located on 1,000 acres of land, will employ 2,000 and make 150,000 RAV4s.

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Down Highway 401, along that auto line, city officials in Cambridge understand what Woodstock is going through. In 1986, Toyota announced it would open a plant in Cambridge. Life in the small, quiet community hasn't been the same.

"It has been a boom here in just about every area," said Rose Recine, Cambridge's building clerk, referring to Toyota's impact. "Last year was good for us and the year before that was high, too."

In 2006, Cambridge had $248 million worth of construction, topping 2005 totals of $227 million and 2004 figures of $214 million. The biggest challenge now facing growth in Cambridge is that "we've run out of land," Recine said.

The city is looking to infill for development -- building in the city on land not being used -- and is quickly trying to service what unused land is available to handle growth, she added.

"Our industrial land has just boomed. We have sold all our serviced land and we're trying to service more as we go."

It's no secret in Cambridge why there's been such steady growth.

"It's Toyota. That was when it started. It has levelled off but it's now still steady," said Recine. "The people who supply Toyota have moved to the area, too. It's been growing since the 1990s. Toyota has brought other industries here, made it a place to move to."

While employment figures for Cambridge aren't broken out by Statistics Canada -- it's part of the Kitchener-Waterloo area -- the region had an unemployment rate of 5.8 per cent over a three-month period at the end of August. Woodstock and Ingersoll posted an average of 6.3 per cent, while Windsor, traditionally Canada's Motor City, is at 9.9 per cent.

Since the Toyota plant located in Cambridge, the community's population has grown about 20 per cent, said Leah Bolzic, that city's economic development officer.

"We are very fortunate we have Toyota here. It's allowed us to weather the ups and downs . . . unlike Windsor, where there has been a severe impact on the city," she said

"I think we would be a healthy business community even without Toyota, but we certainly would not have been as large."

But Toyota's expansion in the area may be just the beginning of an even greater manufacturing boom looming on the horizon, she adds.

The Greenbelt legislation, which restricts industrial growth in the Greater Toronto Area, is pushing industry west -- and Woodstock and Cambridge are already benefitting, Bolzic said.

"We will see a lot of development here from Toronto. We're getting lots of calls from developers in Toronto already, which we would not have seen 10 years ago."

The region boasts land and taxation levels lower that of the GTA, good geography with access to Highways 401, 403 and 402 -- and the most precious of all commodities, good, trained workers, which are still in supply, she added.

"We're seeing a lot of people looking to locate in this area," said Bolzic. "It's important for them to not be too far away from Highway 401."

Cambridge Toyota employs 4,500 and has an annual payroll of $392 million. Workers assemble more than 300,000 Matrix, Corolla and Lexus RX 350 sport utility vehicles. It also makes more than 231,000 four-cylinder engines.

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Woodstock officials have witnessed the growth Toyota has brought to Cambridge and the economic stability, and feel fortunate it's on the horizon for them, as well.

"You know, we used to be known as a community that struggles," said Magyar. "This has sure made it easier for us. It's nice to be a community where people come to us. Toyota is obviously a world-class company -- the name alone has brought opportunities. I know we're in an enviable position."

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GM

Employees

Oshawa car and truck: 9,500

St Catharines: 3,200

Windsor: 1,400

Vehicle production

Oshawa car: 543,394

Oshawa truck: 250,935

What it makes

- The Oshawa car plant builds Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick Allure, Chevrolet Impala and Monte Carlo

- Its truck plant makes the GMC Sierra and Chevrolet Silverado

- Chevrolet Camaro will be built there next year.

- It also has engine and transmission plants in St. Catharines and Windsor

FORD

Employees

St. Thomas: 1,550

Oakville: 3,820

Windsor: 1,953

Vehicle production

St. Thomas: 123,000

Oakville: 100,000

Oakville plant

What it makes: Edge and Lincoln MKX crossover vehicles

St. Thomas plant

What it makes: Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis and Lincoln Town Car in 2008

Windsor engine plant

What it makes: 5.4 litre V8 and 6.8 litre V10 Triton engines

Essex engine plant

What it makes: 4.2 litre V6 engines, V6 and V8 crankshafts

Windsor aluminum plant

What it makes: 2.5 litre and 3.0 litre V6 cylinder blocks, 3.9 litre V8 cylinder blocks

Essex aluminum plant

What it makes: Cylinder heads

CHRYSLER

Employees

Windsor assembly: 5,000

Brampton: 4,000

Etobicoke: 350

Vehicle production

Brampton: 314,161

Windsor: 291,572

What it makes

- Brampton: Chrysler 300 and Dodge Magnum, Dodge Charger

- Windsor: Dodge Grand Caravan, Chrysler Town & Country and Chrysler Pacifica

- Etobicoke: Casting plant makes aluminum engine, transmission and pistons

HONDA

Employees

4,600 at its plant in Alliston, near Barrie

Vehicle production

390,000

What it makes

Civic, Acura CSX, Pilot, Acura MDX sport-utility vehicle and the Ridgeline pickup trucks

Engine plant opening next year.

TOYOTA

Employees

4,500 at its plant in Cambridge

Vehicle production

317,000

What it makes

Corolla, Matrix, Lexus RX350 and a four-cylinder engine

Coming next year

A plant in Woodstock will employ 2,000 and will make 150,000 RAV4s

CAMI (SUZUKI AND GM)

Employees

2,775 at its Ingersoll plant

Vehicle production

196,000

What it makes

Chevrolet Equinox, Pontiac Torrent, Suzuki XL7

CAMI (SUZUKI AND GM)

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TOYOTA PARTS PLANTS IN THE REGION

Toyota Japanese parts suppliers that have located in Southwestern Ontario since 2006:

- St. Thomas: Takumi Stamping

- Simcoe: Toyotetsu

- Tillsonburg: Hokuto

- Woodstock: Toyota Tsusho, Mi-Tech Steel (bought Mitsui Auto Steel), Toyota Boshoku. Woodstock also landed a Hino Truck manufacturing plant, owned by Toyota, in the former General Seating plant. Hayashi Canada Inc. will build a 7,920-square-metre plant in Woodstock to supply interior trim to the Toyota plant. It will open in 2008 and employ 50.

- Stratford: Aisin Canada plant

NEWER LONDON PARTS PLANTS

Thirteen parts plants have located in London since 2001:

- 2007: CS Tubing, a Korean parts maker.

- 2006: Duracoat Powder Finishing

- 2005: Warren Industries; Arkal Industries

- 2003: TransForm Automotive; Intier Automotive; Brose North America; Thyssenkrupp Budd Systems

- 2002: Copperweld Automotive Group; Starlim-Sterner; Confidential Automotive

- 2001: Magee Rieter Systems; Keiper Ltd.
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I'm happy to hear about the success and investment going on in the auto industry outside of my city, but why do people like Norman De Bono have to put down other cities (Windsor) while stating the facts? Windsor will always be the automotive capital of Canada because it is here where it all began.
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Fanshawe keen on performing arts centre

Mon, October 22, 2007

By JONATHAN SHER, SUN MEDIA



When it comes to building and operating a performing arts centre, the city might have a dance partner in Fanshawe College.

While it could be some time before city council decides whether to build such a facility or seek partners in the endeavour, Fanshawe College officials want to be part of the discussion.

With space at Galleria London and plans for hotel training in the core, Fanshawe hopes to expand its programs downtown, a goal that might be served by a new performing arts centre, says college president Howard Rundle.

"It could be a win-win for everybody," Rundle said. "They should get us together with whoever (might) plan this centre."

Fanshawe runs theatre and dance programs at Galleria, but there's no room for expansion.

The college wants to develop downtown programs for students studying the technical side of theatre as well as costume design, Rundle said.

A new performance centre with a restaurant might also complement the college's hotel training and the stages at a centre could be used for both classes and performances
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If a new facility can be designed in a way that meets the college's needs, it may be more cost-effective to partner with the city, Rundle said.

The payback to the city could be twofold, he said:

- Fanshawe might qualify for funding from Ontario's Ministry of College and Universities that could be used to help build a performing arts centre.

- Fanshawe could rent space during weekdays, providing operating revenue at a time when such arts centres are often vacant.

Rundle expressed his interest in a letter to Mayor Anne Marie DeCicco-Best -- a fanshawe graduate -- that was presented last week to board of control without discussion.

The city should seriously consider it, said Deputy Mayor Tom Gosnell.

"That's definitely worth following up," he said.

Rundle's letter stood in contrast to one from the president of the University of Western Ontario, Paul Davenport, who wrote to council that the university would promote a centre but not, at this time, fund it.

"The existence of such a centre would not eliminate the need for improved performance space on campus, which is a priority for our faculty of music," Davenport wrote.

The debate over building a new downtown centre continues next when council meets as a committee of the whole.

Private supporters of a new facility have asked council to make a conditional offer, agreeing to pay 25 or 30 per cent of the costs of a new building if the rest can be raised within a set period of time.

A consultant hired by the city recently estimated it would take $55 million plus land to build a top-notch facility with 1,200 to 1,400 seats.
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Milestones outlet to open in Masonville

Tue, October 23, 2007

By HANK DANISZEWSKI, SUN MEDIA



A Vancouver-based restaurant chain will chalk up another milestone, breaking into the Southwestern Ontario market with a London outlet.

Milestones Grill and Bar is renovating space in Masonville Place mall, formerly occupied by Reuben and Wong's, and expects to open in early December.

Milestones president Peter Housley described the style of the restaurant as "upscale casual," competing with chains such as Moxies and the Keg. He said it is a growing segment of the dining market.

"It will be one of the nicest- looking restaurants in London and yet it will be affordable."

Housley said the Masonville area is a good fit for the chain's target market.

"We are looking for great locations in white-collar suburban or urban neighbourhoods," he said.

Housley said the chain, which spells its name with a lower-case "m", would also like to open a second location in London.

The Masonville restaurant will have 200 seats and employ about 100 people.

The chain was founded in Vancouver in 1989 and now has 36 locations. Most of its 15 Ontario sites are in the Greater Toronto area.

In 2002, the restaurant was acquired by giant Cara Operations Ltd. which also operates the Swiss Chalet, Montana's, Kelsey's and Harvey's restaurant chains.

Housley said the London restaurant will be completely renovated and will be one of the first to feature a new forest/urban interior design. It combines natural features such as wooden carvings and barnboard with modern elements such as an onyx bar counter. "It will be unrecognizable from what it was."

The restaurant will have a private dining room enclosed in a glass wall. There will also be "cabana"-style booths with a roof in the restaurant area and European-style communal tables in the bar area.

A new stone facade will be installed on the exterior of the restaurant on the north side of the mall
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Good news/ bad news

Bad news first: the blackout is real pain in the @$$.
Good news: hoarding is up at 180 Mill, so it looks like that project (120 apartments, 7 townhouses) is going ahead
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Thu, November 1, 2007

Thousands of workers forced out of downtown, big bucks in business lost after watermain break, sinkhole and power outage




An old watermain finally gave out yesterday at Dundas and Wellington streets. Power was out for more than 10 hours in the area of Dufferin, Ridout, York and Colbourne streets. (MORRIS LAMONT Sun Media)
The power was still out and there was a gaping sinkhole in the heart of London, but already the fingerpointing had begun.



As the head of the city's chamber of commerce estimated the loss in business yesterday from the downtown sinkhole and subsequent power blackout in the hundreds of thousands -- if not millions -- of dollars, the mayor blamed the provincial and federal governments for neglecting cities, leaving them without help in dealing with the crumbling services.

"We need support from other levels of government," said Mayor Anne Marie DeCicco-Best.

"We have designated resources to get a head start on that (infrastructure renewal). (But) it would make a more significant impact if other levels of government realized without their help, these types of situations will occur."



Said Gerry Macartney, head of the London Chamber of Commerce: "These are the prices we pay as a city, as a province, as a country for largely ignoring the infrastructure needs all these many years."


A 12-inch watermain, at least 60 years old, burst beneath the northeast Wellington-Dundas streets intersection in the pre-dawn hours yesterday, ultimately collapsing a huge section of the road and leading to the cutting of power to scores of businesses.

Onlookers were stunned at the size of the sinkhole: It was as big and deep as a large backyard swimming pool.

It was the fourth large downtown blackout in the last year and it underscored concerns about the state of the city's infrastructure.

And the interruption it brought to businesses may have long-term implications, business leaders warned.

"This happens too frequently," said Macartney. "You could create some investment jitters where people say 'Do I really want to establish my business there?'

"The problem is if it keeps reoccurring."

Infrastructure replacement has long been on city council's radar: Council has approved a plan to double the annual budget for replacing it to $20 million, over 20 years. But other aging pipes could break down before being replaced, city officials admit.

"We could possibly see it again. Hopefully it doesn't happen in this sensitive an area but we can't predict that," said city engineer Pete Steblin.

"Just like every older city, the City of London has infrastructure challenges."

"You can't replace them all at once," Steblin said.

Other blackouts in the last year:

- Last Oct. 14, 20,000 customers were without power because of an equipment malfunction.

- On Jan. 12, three downtown office towers, the same ones affected yesterday, were darkened due to equipment failure.

- On May 7, 11,000 homes and businesses were affected when a cable blew in a downtown transformer.

Even with London's plan to increase spending on things such as watermains and roads, it's tough to keep ahead of breakdowns.

"This is a very good method of keeping pace," Steblin said. "You can't replace them all at once and you have to avoid boom and bust. You can't spend $100 million one year and none the next."

About 1,400 kilometres of watermain pipes snake beneath the city, and between 150 and 200 of them burst each year. Most aren't under major intersections and adjacent to hydro vaults -- the factors that complicated things yesterday.

City hall was among the buildings shut down in the blackout. And the timing wasn't lost on board of control, which was about to table the water and sewage budgets, nor other councillors.

"(It) brings home in a pretty practical way that we've got to pay attention to our water and sewers," Coun. Susan Eagle said in a darkened city hall. "We're being reminded how important that part of our budget is."

While Macartney suggested some chamber members are irked by the business interruption, one Dundas Street merchant was in a forgiving mood.

"(They city's) doing exactly what I want them to do. They're going to work on it until it's done," said Carol Bennett, whose arcade, Head 2 Head Games, was plunged into darkness.

"I'm sure you'll find a lot of people who are upset, but it's nobody's fault. It's just life."

DeCicco-Best, however, suggested Queen's Park and Ottawa could go a long way to helping London avoid any such future troubles.

"Every city across this country can give you a list of infrastructure needs that are very significant," she said.
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^the reverse of development in London.

Man, the misadministration of deCicco-Worst and her crew.
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Agreed! Why not let constructive ME comments speak for all instead:

heh, heh. I guess I am reluctant to do just that. It is no big deal anyway...I get my name in the papers relatively often given my career.

Speaking for myself, I feel eminently qualified to comment on such phenomena

I am quoted in the LFP today
I have appeared on A-Morning a couple of times (interviewed...I am in academia). Oh well, there is still the LFP

I have no idea what the cost would be.

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Sorry, I was barely awake, and I just tune out of all the bad news of late, for the sake of my sanity.

Landmark? Looks like a pile of shit.

A mountain of locusts? Change the name. Likewise, would you want to live on Cheapside (major street in London).

Middlesex (what the hell is this, a hermaphrodite?)

Yeah, aren't they vile?

I am glad, then. So that I will not have to waste my time instructing such retarded deadbeats.

Take London (ON), multiply it by 10, and maybe then, you would have something that could, very possibly, be a candidate for world-class.

Not the Shriners thing again. Fer fvcksakes, when will it ever end?

It's the new building for West Park Baptist Church (currently near Wonderland & Hyde Park Rd.). Damn. Not another one.

London has long ceased being a head-office city, to being a back-office city.

Whats the news of the new Walfart that is supposed to go up at Sprawldale and unWonderland?

Man, the Galleria has gotta be one of the biggest urban disasters in Canada. I was there yesterday...unfuckingbelievable how empty the place is.

A veritable ghostown of a mall, with more than 40 vacant stores to better serve you!

overmalled....but Westmount will still be a mall? Sounds like the managers are lacking a solid strategy. If I were a tenant in the mall, I would be worried.

The "rebirth" of the Galleria is rather like a woman experiencing 72 months of gestation followed by 24 months of labour.

could this be the first signs of Masonville mall going the way of Westmount mall??

Nice, but I hear that they do not serve BEER at Labatt Park...extremely ironic and moronic.

allow Labatt park to serve beer...and I will go to see London Majors games.

Wharnecliffe is going down the toilet. At least half of it (from Oxford to Commissioners) sits at the bottom of the bowl, with the other turds. A charming slice of East London in western London.

YEAH! more commie-blocks!

I am getting pissed off at the so-called leaders of London.

Nostalgia for the status quo = today's london leadership = mediocrity

yup: london planners/council-->think small.

I have to agree that the current administration really comes up short in their 'vision' for what London ought to aspire to.

London busses are horrible. They smell, have no seats, and constantly lurch. Not to mention, the schedules, and the asinine amount of time it takes to get from point A to point B

very overdue. I can't understand why they rezone/develop areas prior to improving the infrastructure.

too bad that it will probably be years before it goes back up again for phase II

More bad news for London. The daily dose

For Gawd's sake, London has only 2 complete East-West and North-South roads:
East-West: Fanshawe Park Road and Oxford
North-South: Wonderland and Highbury.
That's it. Everything else does not go through all the way.

Council should wake up...given the lousy local economy, taxpayers are not feeling generous, and frankly, a little tired of property (et al.) tax increases that have long outstripped inflation

London has the third-busiest airport in Canada, after Toronto and Vancouver. Really? Ahead of Montreal, Calgary, Ottawa, Winnipeg, etc.? Must be freight. Would like to see the supporting statistics.

thats a tall proposal for a shitsville corner. Love to see it happen....but in this market?

Visonary. 30 years, I will be approaching 70. I can then look forward to a quick way to Fanshawe Park Road. Yay.

Any info on the proposed Walfart at Exeter and Wonderland Rd. South?

Does the Ash Borer also eat jobs? I ask because the London area has lost so many in the past 6 months.

Weird. Hope that it is better than the aborted pseudo-freeway blip that is Highbury Ave.

I think that London's city planners look towards the 905 area as an urban model, rather than say, more concise urban fabrics like those found in Europe.

Looks like a run-down 70's era Las Vegas motor inn.

Quite frankly, who gives two-shits what Jack Layton says?

And the commie-blocks keep-a-comin' in London, esp. in the Oxford-Wonderland area.
I'd rather have no construction, than more of those ugly commie-blocks. Parts of London could easily pass for Irkutsk or Dniepreprovetsk.

I am not too impressed, having bought a home in the neighborhood.

Not again.

Good, but if it happens, I will eat my shoes.
I refer to them as Dumbcentres.

Ultra 80s, Ultra Smell (Bell) Canada. Smell has a building like this in every single major city in Canada.

This actually looks pretty good. I was in the area this weekend past, and it currently is about as gritty and shitty as anywhere in the country.

Yeah, just what I expected, city council is totally in cahoots with the big box sprawl developers. Who gives a shit if inner London looks like shit,

Yeah, I live about 1 km from that shitty bridge. and cross it from time to time. It is the Marie-Anne de Cicco way: rezone, build, but do not expand the infrastructure.

More of Anne-Marie's "Best and Brightest" (aka, highest salaries and sick-days, and moreover, mediocre results

yep. exactly. anyone else, it would be front-page news. And you'd think, "wow, the mayor's husband...for sure the LFP will have something"...but it is buried like a skeleton in the closet.

And while we are at it, how on earth did Best get the exemption for that lousy deck/patio along Richmond? Fishy, fishy.

What do you all think about the Mayor's husband's little adventure last saturday? Must be pretty damned embarassing for Anne-Marie, to say the least.

Same shit they smoked when they decided to bury the drunk-driving adventure of Mr. A-M deC-Best.

No news on Mr. AMdeC-Best? Still got his drivers' license, I presume?

If he got drunk (and then drove) in his own bar...could he be at risk of losing his liquor license? Did you sit out on the cheapo patio at Friday Fright Nites?

Not because of, but despite the current administration on dufferin st.

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Area real-estate sales could set new record

Wed, November 7, 2007

By HANK DANISZEWSKI, SUN MEDIA



The London-area real-estate market continued to hum last month and is closing in on another annual record.

The London and St. Thomas Association of Realtors (LSTAR) said 705 homes sold in October, down slightly from the same month last year.

LSTAR president Mike Carson said year-to-date sales are still tracking 5.9 per cent above the same period last year. Total sales for 2007 are expected to eclipse last year’s record total of 8,916 units.

“Following an exceptionally active spring and summer market, it is encouraging that we are maintaining strong activity in all segments of the market,” said Carson.

St. Thomas is an especially hot market. By the end of October, 783 units had sold in the city, surpassing the total of 751 units for all of 2006.

The average price of a detached home in the London area is $216,407, up 7.5 per cent compared to last October. The average price of a condo is $146,326, up 4.9 per cent.

Carson noted a recent forecast from the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation which predicted the increase in real-estate prices in London next year would rank in the top three centres in Ontario.

Carson said the London housing market should also get a boost from $80 million in speculative industrial development that has been announced in recent months.

But he urged the City of London to speed up the process of releasing new residential lots for development to keep up with demand. Carson said delays would just drive development out of the city.

“New home buyers will not have the choices that they want and will continue to look outside the city to meet their needs,” he said.
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