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Old Posted Oct 11, 2007, 7:58 PM
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Inter-city passenger rail is pretty much pointless in most of Canada. Trips in Western Canada and Northern Ontario are way too slow to actually be useful and only appeal to a tiny minority of tourists.

Freight rail lines are much more important and Canada's current network leaves a lot to be desired.
The Rocky Mountaineer from Calgary to Vancouver is a niche offering that appeals to those who want the railway/mountain experience. Too bad VIA doesn't offer that route. I would like to see a comparison between ridership on the Rocky Mountaineer from Calgary to Vancouver and ridership on VIA between Edmonton and Vancouver.
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I believe the Rocky Mountaneer runs from Banff-Vancouver, not Calgary-Van. I see Rocky Mountaneeer busses all the time in Calgary and presume they are shuttling the people out to Banff as I have never seen the actual train in Calgary. They also run Jasper-Vancouver. I don't know how valid a comparison you could draw between them and Via as they are a very upscale operation compared to Via which is much more bare bones.

I too would like to see a return of Via to the southern prairies. They could either time the route to link up with the train from Edmonton in Winnipeg and carry on as a single train to points east. The other option would be to run the train every other day (like they do with the Edmonton run) and have it running on opposite days to the other train. The service could then be daily from points east to Winnipeg where the route would split and go the southern route one day and the northern route the other. That would give Vancouver daily service too.
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I believe the Rocky Mountaneer runs from Banff-Vancouver, not Calgary-Van. I see Rocky Mountaneeer busses all the time in Calgary and presume they are shuttling the people out to Banff as I have never seen the actual train in Calgary. They also run Jasper-Vancouver. I don't know how valid a comparison you could draw between them and Via as they are a very upscale operation compared to Via which is much more bare bones.
I've seen the trains in CPR's Alyth yard and actually have some pics of them.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2007, 9:22 PM
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For those that are interested, here is the current Via Rail network

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Old Posted Oct 11, 2007, 9:23 PM
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I've seen the trains in CPR's Alyth yard and actually have some pics of them.
Correct - they run Calgary-Vancouver, Banff-Vancouver, Jasper-Vancouver, Whistler-Jasper. Once in the Rockies, they offer a wide variety of bus tours as well.

The Calgary stop is at the former VIA station under the Calgary Tower. When it hits town, look for the large number of bellmen from neighbouring hotels lining up out front to greet the guests.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2007, 9:47 PM
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as a vancouverite, I was quite surprised recently to see this pass by me while I was on the car line-up to the ferry:



The Malahat rail line is the closest that BC has to intercity rail. And it actually goes to non-touristy, practical places, like the ferries in Victoria and Nanaimo.

I guess we'll have to wait until Canada follows amtrak's lead to upgrade the cascade line to seattle - that would rock.

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Old Posted Oct 11, 2007, 10:34 PM
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VIA Rail doesn't have the appropriate equipment to opperate the original Canadian route, CP Rail doesn't want it on their track and when it was opperated the ridership was non-existant,
Glad to hear from an expert. What were the numbers compared to the Northern route? Why was the Northern route more popular when it excluded Banff?
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The Full Story from Transport Canada Press Release

No. H 187/07
For release October 11, 2007

CANADA'S NEW GOVERNMENT REVITALIZES INTER-CITY PASSENGER RAIL SERVICES IN CANADA

OTTAWA — The Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, along with the Honourable Jim Flaherty, Minister of Finance, today announced a new funding package for VIA Rail Canada Inc., a Crown corporation, to revitalize inter-city passenger rail services in Canada. The funding totals $691.9 million over the next five years.

"Today, Canada's New Government is acting to provide faster, cleaner, more frequent and reliable passenger rail service across Canada," said Minister Cannon. "The corridor between Quebec City and Windsor has the largest passenger volumes and will benefit from infrastructure improvements that will make the entire passenger rail system more efficient and accessible."

"VIA Rail has a proud legacy of serving Canadians, and our government is taking steps to make this wonderful service even better," added Minister Flaherty. "We are launching the largest capital program in VIA Rail's history. It will allow for the renewal of VIA Rail's fleet, the upgrading of the existing network and it will support a stronger economy, a cleaner environment and a safer Canada."

"I would like to thank the Government of Canada for this welcome and timely investment in VIA Rail Canada," said Donald A. Wright, VIA's chairman. "It is an important recognition of the entire team at VIA, whose hard work over the past decade has earned VIA solid marks for its excellent customer service and sound management. This investment is also recognition of the potential of the current passenger rail service to meet the growing transportation needs of Canadians in an environmentally responsible, efficient and cost-effective manner."

This new investment addresses VIA Rail's capital needs, ensuring that its current network and service levels are sustainable into the future.

Of the total funding package, $516 million in capital funds will be allocated over five years for infrastructure improvements and equipment refurbishments, beginning in 2007. This investment will be targeted towards:

fleet renewal, through refurbishment of the F40 locomotives and Light, Rapid and Comfortable (LRC) passenger cars;
strategic infrastructure improvements to eliminate bottlenecks in the Quebec City —Windsor corridor; and
station refurbishments.
The equipment refurbishment will also help improve the company's environmental performance through increased fuel efficiency and reduced greenhouse gas emissions per passenger.

The remainder of the funding, a total of $175.9 million over five years, will be directed towards VIA Rail's operating costs. This additional funding is needed to sustain VIA's national network until the capital program is completed. VIA expects to reduce its maintenance costs after the equipment is rebuilt and to attract more passengers as it moves to provide faster, more frequent service on its trains in the Quebec City — Windsor Corridor.

"Once the F40 locomotive rebuilding program is complete, VIA will have one of the most fuel efficient fleets of diesel locomotives of any passenger rail operator in North America. The locomotives will also meet the new emissions standards set by the recent Memorandum of Understanding between the Government of Canada and the Railway Association of Canada – which includes VIA Rail," concluded Minister Cannon.

Funding improvements to the national transportation system is one of Canada's New Government's priorities for investments in infrastructure. Through its unprecedented $33-billion Building Canada infrastructure plan, the Government of Canada is making partnership investments to support a stronger economy, a cleaner environment, and a more secure Canada.

VIA Rail Canada Inc., a Crown corporation, was created in 1977 to operate Canada's national passenger rail service.

A backgrounder on the new funding is attached.

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Contacts:

Karine White
Press Secretary
Office of the Minister of Transport,
Infrastructure and Communities, Ottawa
613-991-0700
Media Relations
Transport Canada, Ottawa
613-993-0055

Chisholm Pothier
Press Secretary
Office of the Minister of Finance, Ottawa
613-996-9611
Malcolm Andrews
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VIA Rail Canada
514-871-6658
Transport Canada is online at www.tc.gc.ca. Subscribe to news releases and speeches at www.tc.gc.ca/listserv/ and keep up-to-date on the latest from Transport Canada.

This news release may be made available in alternative formats for persons with visual disabilities.

BACKGROUNDER

NEW FUNDING FOR VIA Rail CANADA

Canada's New Government recognizes that investments are required to ensure the long-term viability of passenger rail services and to improve VIA Rail's financial performance.

This new funding, totalling $691.9 million, will improve the sustainability and reliability of passenger rail services in Canada and provide more frequent, faster, cleaner and safer services along the Quebec City — Windsor Corridor. The proposed equipment and facilities investments, combined with strategic infrastructure improvements, will address VIA Rail's capital needs and improve its operational performance. The funding will allow VIA Rail to rebuild its aging fleet of locomotives and cars, upgrade stations, and improve strategic infrastructure to eliminate bottlenecks and enhance capacity for faster, more frequent and reliable service.

These investments will benefit Canadians across the country. For example:

The F40 locomotive rebuilding program will improve the reliability of VIA services, lower maintenance costs and help to improve the company's environmental performance through increased fuel efficiency and reduced emissions. The rebuilt locomotives will ensure another 15 to 20 years of service on the eastern and western transcontinental trains, on the regional service to Gaspé (Quebec) and on remote services to such points as Parent (Quebec), Churchill (Manitoba) and Prince Rupert (British Columbia). They will meet the new emission standards for railway locomotives set by the recent Memorandum of Understanding between the Railway Association of Canada, Environment Canada and Transport Canada.
Light, Rapid and Comfortable (LRC) cars will have their operating systems and interiors rebuilt. Travellers will enjoy new seats, better lighting, computer outlets and washrooms, while VIA will lower its maintenance costs and energy requirements, thereby saving fuel and reducing emissions.
Several stations across the country will be refurbished.
Strategic infrastructure improvements, which will be spread throughout the Quebec City — Windsor corridor, will:
increase track capacity and alleviate bottlenecks;
improve on-time performance;
reduce trip times through increased speed;
allow for more trips; and
improve safety and reliability of service.
With a total investment of $516 million in capital planned over the next five years, VIA Rail's passenger services will continue to bring modern, affordable, safe and efficient travel options to Canadians.

The government will also provide VIA with $175.9 million in additional operating funding over the next five years. While VIA Rail's annual funding level was frozen in 1998, the effects of inflation over the past decade have had an impact on the purchasing power of this Crown corporation and its ability to maintain its aging fleet of locomotives and cars. Once the capital investment program is completed, VIA will be able to operate without this additional funding.

October 2007
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2007, 10:46 PM
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That's a lot of money....especially considering it doesn't serve all of Canada. Thanks for acting on the behalf of all of Canada!
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God please tell me Hamilton will finally get a VIA station. Makes absolutely no sense that VIA rail goes right through Hamilton and it doesn't make a stop at one of the most populated city in Canada which is paying towards VIA rail yet gets no service. It's different for Calgary and Regina because VIA rail doesn't go through these cities.
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Everyone posting here knows that the HUGE majority if not ALL of this cash will be spent in Ontario and Quebec. Why not. They are the only ones left with decent passenger rail service anyways.
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Here's a report from 2004 showing it's a Liberal idea that the Conservatives just re-announced.....

On October 24, 2003, the Minister (David Collenette) reaffirmed his commitment to the improvement of VIA Rail service when he announced an additional $692.5 million in VIA Rail’s capital program to “revitalize inter-city passenger rail services in Canada,”7 including “strategic infrastructure improvements to eliminate bottlenecks in the Quebec City – Windsor corridor, and station refurbishment.”8

With the transition in government in December 2003, Tony Valeri, MP for Hamilton East - Stoney Creek replaced David Collenette as Minister of Transport. One of his first public pronouncements indicated his desire to improve Hamilton's transportation and infrastructure system.9 Three months later, Budget 2004 revealed “cuts to VIA Rail’s capital program,”10 referring to the announcement made in October 2003.
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I wish they would restore the Vancouver-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg-Ottawa-Montreal service! We need another transcontinental route.

calgary has no station and Edmonton's is a ways from downtown gah with no bus routes near it......
i think i have scraped my idea for the rail trip to Edmonton in dec, i'm going to nz instead in january i think i would injoy Edmonton in the summer more when i can go borrow a bike and explore its river trail system

we need a bullet train from toronto to vancouver!!!
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Well, I for one would love to see the southern portion of the Canadian route restored through Regina and Calgary, but I'll pretty much guarentee you that will never happen. Ever. I have an uncle and my father who are train managers for VIA, so I kind of have an inside scoope on what goes on out west. And there are no major plans for service enhancement or expansion out here. It's all out east based on population counts and political influences.
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thats a real shame via is stiffing us in the west :'( they are missing out
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calgary has no station
Calgary used to have VIA service back in the 80's. I took it to Winnipeg a lot with my family back then. So there WAS a station, not sure what it is used for now though....

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It's different for Calgary and Regina because VIA rail doesn't go through these cities.
Which is why it's stupid to force taxpayers all over Canada to subsidize this inefficient legacy that really only serves Quebec and Ontario. I'm so sick of the West being forced to pay for shit we never see out here.
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Why did Via scrap its Calgary station? What kind of business decision is that?
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[quote=KrisYYC;3107127]Calgary used to have VIA service back in the 80's. I took it to Winnipeg a lot with my family back then. So there WAS a station, not sure what it is used for now though....


wasn't it downtown?
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Calgary used to have VIA service back in the 80's. I took it to Winnipeg a lot with my family back then. So there WAS a station, not sure what it is used for now though....


wasn't it downtown?

Yes, and so was Edmonton's, but that is no longer the case.
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I think we can all agree that Via's service in Western Canada is way below what is offered in the East, even after adjustments for population and density.
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