The Official Moncton, NB Project Thread - Page 22

ErickMontreal · #**421** Posted **Oct 3, 2007, 8:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by JasonL-Moncton

Pro-active is nice...but Dieppe city council is being ridiculous in attempting to grow the way it is...it's trying to compete with Moncton in a way it cannot. Property taxes are so high in Dieppe that people that 'want' out can't leave because they can't sell their home...I thought they were bad in Moncton but they are 3-4 times higher than Moncton.

As far as downtown...it won't necessarily be a 'box store' power center mentality down there...

You`re right. I never understand the competition between both cities, Dieppe is nothing without Moncton. On the other hand, I just want to point out the fact that Dieppe is more efficient than Moncton city council in term of project planning. Moncton city made some major setbacks since 8 years from now with the "Verdiroc " project in downtown characterized by some as a fiasco.

ErickMontreal · #**422** Posted **Oct 3, 2007, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wishblade

Moncton seems like a progressive city, but its thinking way too suburuban and not urban enough. I mean, a Sobeys downtown? Thats certainly not where that belongs. Is anybody thinking about building any highrises perhaps?

There are Assumption Corp and us in the thread as well

Helladog · #**423** Posted **Oct 3, 2007, 8:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wishblade

Moncton seems like a progressive city, but its thinking way too suburuban and not urban enough. I mean, a Sobeys downtown? Thats certainly not where that belongs. Is anybody thinking about building any highrises perhaps?

At least they have a grocery store within a reachable distance from downtown. In Saint John, the closest grocery store is at Loch Lomond Place and it is tiny.

kwajo · #**424** Posted **Oct 3, 2007, 8:53 PM**

Woah, did you just diss Giant Tiger?

Seriously though, I lived Uptown for over a year and did fine getting food in the City Market, Giant Tiger and various corner stores. If you do some selective shopping, you can get supermarket-level prices, and a damn fine selection. The downside is that you have to go to multiple place, but who doesn't love shopping in the City Market everyday? I moved to St. John's and I really miss the market, I think it is one of Saint John's biggest urban assets, even trumping anything Halifax has.

JasonL-Moncton · #**425** Posted **Oct 3, 2007, 8:57 PM**

The market in Saint John is my favorite thing 'about' Saint John.

JasonL-Moncton · #**426** Posted **Oct 3, 2007, 9:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

You`re right. I never understand the competition between both cities, Dieppe is nothing without Moncton. On the other hand, I just want to point out the fact that Dieppe is more efficient than Moncton city council in term of project planning. Moncton city made some major setbacks since 8 years from now with the "Verdiroc " project in downtown characterized by some as a fiasco.

Personally I still have a hard time calling Dieppe a city...to me it's a 'burb' of Moncton, but I'd be damned if I'd say that in Dieppe....I might not get out of there alive. I don't think there is competition 'between' the cities...but that Dieppe feels it has to compete with Moncton. Moncton doesn't really try and compete with Dieppe, there's no case for it...I for one for years now have thought that Dieppe should be amalgamated into Moncton...as should Riverview, but that will never happen.

JL

ErickMontreal · #**427** Posted **Oct 3, 2007, 9:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwajo

I think it is one of Saint John's biggest urban assets, even trumping anything Halifax has.

The city market, the pedway, the Brunswick Square as well as the market Square are something SJ citizens have to be proud of.

ErickMontreal · #**428** Posted **Oct 3, 2007, 9:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by JasonL-Moncton

Personally I still have a hard time calling Dieppe a city...to me it's a 'burb' of Moncton, but I'd be damned if I'd say that in Dieppe....I might not get out of there alive. I don't think there is competition 'between' the cities...but that Dieppe feels it has to compete with Moncton. Moncton doesn't really try and compete with Dieppe, there's no case for it...I for one for years now have thought that Dieppe should be amalgamated into Moncton...as should Riverview, but that will never happen.

I`m entirely agree with you, Riverview and Dieppe are some kind "Burb" ghetto so like you said earlier the amalgamation will never happen mainly for cultural reasons. Riverview is defined as english-only and Dieppe wants to keep their trademark of "L`étoile de L`acadie"

mylesmalley · #**429** Posted **Oct 3, 2007, 9:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

I`m entirely agree with you, Riverview and Dieppe are some kind "Burb" ghetto so like you said earlier the amalgamation will never happen mainly for cultural reasons. Riverview is defined as english-only and Dieppe wants to keep their trademark of "L`étoile de L`acadie"

The big difference between Riverview and Dieppe seems to be overlooked. Riverview is very much a bedroom community. The only real 'industry' is local retail like grocery stores and a few call centers. Dieppe, on the other hand, is really much more city-like. They have a large industrial and retail base, and their residential numbers have been growing at a staggering rate (as a percentage). Therefore, I wouldn't call Dieppe a bedroom community anymore.

I agree, as far as amalgamation is concerned. It seems inefficient having three large-ish communities attached to each other. However, many large cities like Toronto, have dozens of independent (politically) suburbs and seem to function reasonably well. And like HalifaxMtl666 points out, culturally, the communities are quite distinct. Dieppe is probably close to 80 percent french, Riverview is probably 95 percent English, and Moncton is a bit of a hodge-podge.

ErickMontreal · #**430** Posted **Oct 3, 2007, 9:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by mylesmalley

The big difference between Riverview and Dieppe seems to be overlooked. Riverview is very much a bedroom community. The only real 'industry' is local retail like grocery stores and a few call centers. Dieppe, on the other hand, is really much more city-like. They have a large industrial and retail base, and their residential numbers have been growing at a staggering rate (as a percentage). Therefore, I wouldn't call Dieppe a bedroom community anymore.

I agree, as far as amalgamation is concerned. It seems inefficient having three large-ish communities attached to each other. However, many large cities like Toronto, have dozens of independent (politically) suburbs and seem to function reasonably well. And like HalifaxMtl666 points out, culturally, the communities are quite distinct. Dieppe is probably close to 80 percent french, Riverview is probably 95 percent English, and Moncton is a bit of a hodge-podge.

Great synthesis, I`m relatively new in Moncton and I often forget the fact Champlain Place, Champlain businesss, Irvings stuffs as well as the airport area are located in Dieppe.

Basicly, the Montreal almagamation experience shows that the almagamation of neiboughoods with culturally distinctions have to be avoided without a strong consensus

mylesmalley · #**431** Posted **Oct 4, 2007, 12:08 AM**

Thanks. Thats why they pay me the big bucks :p.

[QUOTE=Basicly, the Montreal almagamation experience shows that the almagamation of neiboughoods with culturally distinctions have to be avoided without a strong consensus[/QUOTE]

The Montreal map is actually kinda funny. You have the main city, and inside of it are probably a half dozen little enclaves that are independent. What if Centennial Place declared its independance...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Montreal2006.png

Has anyone heard anything about that huge project on Dieppe Blvd? The announcement said it would be upwards of $100 million.

ErickMontreal · #**432** Posted **Oct 4, 2007, 2:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by mylesmalley

Has anyone heard anything about that huge project on Dieppe Blvd? The announcement said it would be upwards of $100 million.

I guess you talked about that project :

( :: UPTOWN DIEPPE :: )

Gross leasable area (GLA) 479 489 square feet
Commercial sector: 234 533 square feet (79 spaces)
Residential sector: 238 956 square feet - 126 units for condos (127 115 sq. Ft) and 122 apartments (111 841 sq. ft)
Parking: 1010
Number of acres: 22 (excluding the ponds, the Dieppe Aquatic and Sports Centre and the section located east of Dieppe Boulevard)

http://uptowndieppe.ca

mylesmalley · #**433** Posted **Oct 4, 2007, 2:16 AM**

Looks as though I have a terrible memory...

Too focused on accounting midterm tomorrow...

ErickMontreal · #**434** Posted **Oct 4, 2007, 2:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by mylesmalley

Looks as though I have a terrible memory...

Too focused on accounting midterm tomorrow...

No problem

Its great project that I would like to see Downtown Moncton though

ErickMontreal · #**435** Posted **Oct 4, 2007, 2:36 AM**

Traffic lights holding up completion of Riverview's East West Corridor

October 03, 2007 - 12:18 pm
By: Rebecca Davis, News 91.9 Staff

MONCTON, NB - The first phase of the East West Corridor in Riverview may look finished to motorists on Coverdale Road, but it's not quite ready yet.

Riverview's Town Manager David Muir says they're making progress on both phase one and phase two of the project, and says phase one is getting really close to finished.

He says the biggest hold up is that the traffic lights for the Pine Glen intersection are on back order.

He says the lights should be in by the end of November, and they hope to have phase one done before Christmas.

He says, also, that if all goes well with phase two, which connects the new road to Findlay Boulevard, they might be able to open it, unfinished, but driveable, at around the same time.

mylesmalley · #**436** Posted **Oct 4, 2007, 3:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

No problem

Its great project that I would like to see Downtown Moncton though

Yeah. A development of that magnitude would be great downtown. However, if you go to the developer's page, it looks as though the tallest buildings will only be three floors... if that.

I think our biggest problem is that we really don't have any natural impediments to growth. We don't have mountains or an ocean on one side to force buildings upwards. Or in the case of Toronto, a thousand miles of suburbs and no land left near the center of town.

I think its a bit of a pipe dream to think that Moncton will have an impressive (like Halifax) skyline for quite some time. Which I find quite depressing.

Also, we need a city council that doesn't scare off development. I think in a lot of ways, the city has grown in the past few years in spite of itself. A few years back, some developers wanted to build a (several maybe) tall (ten stories) apartment buildings on the Franklin Yard site. The city council rejected it though, saying that Moncton wasn't ready for that kind of density. Now they're building low-density houses in there.

mylesmalley · #**437** Posted **Oct 4, 2007, 3:10 AM**

Haha..wow. Time to get off my soapbox :p.

mmmatt · #**438** Posted **Oct 5, 2007, 2:13 AM**

are you serious about franklin yard?! Damn it...that really makes me mad. I mean I am happy they are doing anything at all with that formerly waisted space...but that would have been awesome! Would have been even more awesome right downtown though. oh well...

Helladog · #**439** Posted **Oct 5, 2007, 2:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by kwajo

Woah, did you just diss Giant Tiger?

Seriously though, I lived Uptown for over a year and did fine getting food in the City Market, Giant Tiger and various corner stores. If you do some selective shopping, you can get supermarket-level prices, and a damn fine selection. The downside is that you have to go to multiple place, but who doesn't love shopping in the City Market everyday? I moved to St. John's and I really miss the market, I think it is one of Saint John's biggest urban assets, even trumping anything Halifax has.

Good point...I do alot of buying at Giant Tiger and I should go to the market more often than I do. The meat is much better there than at a grocery store.

I actually prefer GT to the old IGA, there seems to me as much for food in the corner of the store as IGA had in the entire place not to mention the prices aren't bad.

(Maybe this should be moved to the Saint John page)

mylesmalley · #**440** Posted **Oct 5, 2007, 3:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

are you serious about franklin yard?! Damn it...that really makes me mad. I mean I am happy they are doing anything at all with that formerly waisted space...but that would have been awesome! Would have been even more awesome right downtown though. oh well...

Too true. Lest we forget, as well, that six story hotel that Bernard Cyr wanted to build by the waterfront. It would have required losing some (not that much, if memory serves) parkland, but after the Mapleton Park 'scandal', it seemed the city put the kibosh on it....