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Old Posted Sep 24, 2007, 5:00 PM
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Great photos. Good eye. Thanks for showing us the progress of many of the project uc.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2007, 5:12 PM
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I noticed the nice cloudscape on 621 CM yesterday as I was walking to the Chinatown fair. It's definitely visually impressive...kind of a "stealth skyscraper."
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Sweet photo update snfenoc, I'm really digging the Globe Mills project. Incorporating the exisiting structure really makes it differnent from anything out there.
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snfenoc,
Nice photos! Nice to see the "Orleans" hotel taking root.
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most comprehensive update in the last year. great job snfenoc.
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Holy crap! What a huge update! Awesome job.
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How is it that San Jose is putting up two condo towers a la Aura: Axis, and some other high rise near their new city hall by Richard Meyer? How can that cow town out-do Sacramento? I guess it's the Silicon Valley edge...
You know the world is ending when Sacramento starts passing on "cowtown" comments to cities that are older, bigger and more dense.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2007, 11:49 PM
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Calm down there buckaroo. I would never call SJ a cowtown but as one who is pretty familiar with San Jose I never understood it's feelings of superiority over Sacramento. If you compare the two cities IMO Sacramento proper has more 'bones' to work with and is overall more attractive. If we only we had all that high-tech money "sigh".

Anyway, San Jose is what it is and Sacramento is what it is. I'm all for SJ getting more dense and I'm pretty sure Sacramento will start to see high-rise infill but the cost of real-estate is just not high enough to really drive that market yet. Still there's a lot of nice infill going on. Of course, nobody know what the future holds for either city but if I were placing bets I'd say that with the Railyards and the Riverfront Sacramento has more possibility becoming Northern California's 'second city' than does San Jose.

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Calm down there buckaroo. I would never call SJ a cowtown but as one who is pretty familiar with San Jose I never understood it's feelings of superiority over Sacramento. If you compare the two cities IMO Sacramento proper has more 'bones' to work with and is overall more attractive. If we only we had all that high-tech money "sigh".

Anyway, San Jose is what it is and Sacramento is what it is. I'm all for SJ getting more dense and I'm pretty sure Sacramento will start to see high-rise infill but the cost of real-estate is just not high enough to really drive that market yet. Still there's a not of nice infill going on. Of course, nobody know what the future holds for either city but if I were placing bets I'd say that with the Railyards and the Riverfront Sacramento has more possibility becoming Northern California's 'second city' than does San Jose.
San Jose has no feelings of superiority over anyone, I don't think. Don't bunch us in with the rest of the Bay Area, which is pretty snooty. San Jose merely exists in its own element. It's not San Francisco, where every second of every day revolves around hyping itself and crapping on others. Urban issues are are actual urban issues, not opportunities to surpass Los Angeles (the usual benchmark) and brag about it.

That said, I expected a little more empathy from Sacramento on the whole "this town sucks" parade, being that it's similarly a target of other city snobs.
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Ya, I feel ya krudmonk. Other than Sacramento's midtown, both San Jose
and Sacramento are neck in neck in many areas. Although, San Jose is getting
the A's for the most part and has a modern arena which Sac. is struggling to build
as well. Shot, San Jose will also get HSR (if it gets built) in the first phase
and Sac. won’t. Yeah, I feel ya
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You know the world is ending when Sacramento starts passing on "cowtown" comments to cities that are older, bigger and more dense.
More dense?!? San Jose: 5,216.3/sq mi
Sacramento: 4,711/sq mi

WOW! 500 more people per sq mi!

San Jose is 174.9 sq mi of land.
Sacramento has 97.2 sq mi of land.

If Sacramento incorporated all the unincorporated parts of the metro area in Sacramento County, it would have a population almost the size of San Jose AND would still have a bigger metro area!
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2007, 5:36 AM
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I wouldn't call San Jose a cow town, considering they're twice our size. But we're way out in front in terms of historic preservation: San Jose's "historic district" is one city block. Aside from the mission period and a brief stint as California's capital, San Jose's claim to historic fame doesn't stand up much to Sacramento's, until the beginnings of Silicon Valley.

Oh, and we have taller buildings than they do.
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Turns out you should have contacted the Bee to see if they could use some of your pics, snfenoc!
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No housing bust here
City core is hopping with new, urban infill homes
By Mary Lynne Vellinga - Bee Staff Writer

Published 12:00 am PDT Tuesday, September 25, 2007
Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A1




Javier Tostado works on a window at the new Globe Mills project in the Alkali Flat community, where a developer has converted an old grain complex into a stylish rental units for low- and moderate-income residents. About eight new developments are in the central city.

Driving around Sacramento's urban core, you'd never guess there was a housing market slump.

New lofts, three-story row houses and condominiums conceived during the housing boom are nearing completion in neighborhoods ringing downtown.

Some have attracted surprising interest, given the region's depressed home sales. At 18th and L streets, for example, one buyer is spending $2 million to combine two loft penthouses into a more spacious one.

At least eight housing developments with about 500 units are either under construction or just completed in the central city. Across the Tower Bridge on the West Sacramento waterfront, another roughly 250 units either have hit the market or soon will.

Unlike previous central city projects, nearly all of the new units coming on line are for sale, not for rent. Most were built without public subsidy.

An exception is the Globe Mills project at 12th and C streets in Alkali Flat, which received $19 million in redevelopment funds. Developer Skip Rosenbloom and architect Michael Malinowski are winning accolades for their striking renovation of the old grain elevators and mill into rental units for low- and moderate-income tenants.

For years, city leaders pushed unsuccessfully for more homeownership downtown. But the finances didn't make sense for developers until the housing market boom pushed prices high enough to cover the extra expense of building on small, inner-city lots.

When sales prices topped $300 a square foot a few years ago, developers rushed to get into the urban housing business. Projects started in those heady days are now ready to open.

The builders hope that their products -- and locations -- are interesting enough to sell in tough times. "It's a scary market," said developer Mark Friedman, a partner in Loftworks, which is building 32 brownstone-style row houses in midtown at N and 26th streets. "Suburbia, Schmaburbia," boasts a billboard at the construction site.

"The product is extraordinary," Friedman said. "Time will tell if we'll be rewarded for producing a good product."

Developer Tony Giannoni says he's proud of his new midtown urban housing project, Tapestri Square, a block of 58 row houses at 21st and T streets.

Earlier this year, Giannoni sold 30 condominiums atop his new Marriott hotel on L Street downtown to a single reseller from Southern California, who has found buyers for a third of them.

Plenty of people have been coming through the Tapestri Square models, which opened two weeks ago. It's unknown how many of these lookers will turn into buyers for the narrow three-story houses that range in price from $450,000 to $850,000.

"If they sell in this market, that shows how strong the downtown can really be," Giannoni said.

The new urban projects offer a range of styles in an effort to appeal to different buyers.

Tapestri Square aims for a traditional "East Coast" feel with wood stair rails, tile and hardwood floors. Targeting empty nesters, it offers an optional elevator to save aging knees.

Other projects offer variations on the loft theme, ranging from "true lofts" with a big open room downstairs and a sleeping mezzanine upstairs, to "soft lofts" with an open floor plan but separate bedrooms. Granite countertops are ubiquitous. Garages are tucked underneath on the first floor.

Some developers are highlighting their projects' green features. Regis Homes has outfitted 36 houses in its SoCap Lofts project on R Street with solar panels.

Regis is planning a grand opening Thursday. Like many urban infill projects, the SoCap Lofts are painted in deep colors. The vivid combinations scream urban like beige screams suburban.

The units stand just three feet apart and are three stories tall. "I'm building a product I could never live in myself," said project manager Eric Schlenker, who has three young children. "But we're very confident we'll find 36 buyers it will work for."

On the other side of midtown, developer Sotiris Kolokotronis and his partners have defied sales trends with their seven-story complex of 92 lofts at 18th and L. The new building is across L Street from a 176-unit apartment complex Kolokotronis opened last year.

Positioned at a hub of new restaurants and shops, the building is commanding prices far higher than its competitors -- about $540 a square foot. Here, buyers pay nearly $400,000 for a 676-square-foot loft. Thirty-five of the units are in escrow, including nine of 12 penthouses.

Standing on the top floor, which is still under construction, partner Demetri Romas pointed to the 18-foot-high penthouse ceilings, the mezzanine and the sweeping view of downtown to explain why well-heeled buyers have been attracted to the L Street Lofts.

Some L Street buyers had previously signed contracts to buy units in developer John Saca's planned 53-story condo towers before that plan fell apart.

"Several Kings (players) have been through here; they love the high ceilings," Romas said. "The new coach has been through."

Eight blocks away at 17th and D streets, Signature Properties is appealing to a different demographic with its 52 Craftsman-style condominiums. They offer nearly 1,300 square feet of space at prices ranging from the high $300,000s to the mid-$400,000s. Signature has sold 11 of the 24 units released to date.

"We have a lot of people who were previously renting that are buying their first home; that's really cool," said spokeswoman Alisa Boris.

For one developer on the periphery of the central city, sales have come more slowly. West Sacramento developer John Leonard took the drastic step of holding a public auction Saturday for his 22 loft units on the West Sacramento waterfront.

"The goal is to sell the homes, pay the bank, and do the right thing," Leonard said.

Only one of the downtown projects under construction is immune from market conditions. The conversion of the abandoned, burned Globe Mills complex to housing has been expensive, and filled with surprises.

No private developer would likely have attempted it without public assistance, said Friedman, a friend of developer Skip Rosenbloom. "The building had been sitting there for 20 years with nobody having the courage to take it on," he said.

Nearly $36 million later, the Globe Mills project is near completion. It will be one of the most unusual residential complexes in the region.

By dedicating the 112 senior units in two new buildings to low-income tenants, the project qualified for money from the Sacramento Housing and Redevelopment Agency. It raised more money by selling tax credits.

"It's the only way you could save this building," the project architect Malinowski said. He doesn't think finding tenants will be a problem.

The senior activity room will sit on top of five-story concrete silos that once stored grain. One of the round silos will be an elevator shaft, another a mail room. A stairway will "float" in another.

Metal chutes that carried grain to the base of the building will be converted into light fixtures sticking like metal spiders out of the lobby ceiling. The old mill building will contain 31 lofts reserved for moderate-income tenants.

Seven lofts on the ground floor boast 20-foot-high concrete ceilings and huge windows reminiscent of those in Koloktronis' million-dollar penthouses. But in order to snag this edgy bit of urban housing, a couple can earn no more than 110 percent of the area median income, a restriction that excludes any couple making more than about $60,000.

No Kings need apply.
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Combining Snfenoc's great pix with this story is yet further proof that downtown Sacramento and the rest of the region are two distinct and separate markets.

As many here have said, downtown offers a lifestyle unavailable from Portland to LA and from the East Bay to... well... I don't know... Denver?

There is a huge pent-up demand for this kind of living. One thing about Sacramento getting a late start on downtown condos is that there are still buyers for them and it is not overbuilt like Miami or San Diego where the condo market and the suburban markets are both greatly suffering.

While I would have much preferred the Towers (and other high-rises) under construction right now (start three months earlier or take three months off the approval process and they would be... sniff), seeing all of this activity proves that downtown is a viable market.

If you're offering a typical suburban lifestyle in this cycle... good luck. That type of product everywhere and the plummeting sales figures reflect it. If you're offering the unique downtown urban experience, they're are still plenty of qualified buyers willing to pay, and pay well for it.

It's good to see the Bee acknowledge that.

Oh and please... let's try not to inject race into this thread wburg...
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Oh and please... let's try not to inject race into this thread wburg...
Huh??? Travis, you just like poking wburg, don't ya! You two are probably best friends and love egging each other on over and swearing at each other over beers at the Zebra Club every Thursday afternoon...

Ah... you must be referring to his reference of "walking down to the chinatown fair?" You are such a card you big tomato!
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Did I miss the Chinatown fair? I thought it was going to be on the 30th. Or is that something else?

It's nice to see the Bee finally gett'n it. Would it hurt them to be a downtown booster? They are somewhat of a NIMBY newspaper.
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Oh and please... let's try not to inject race into this thread wburg...
Not sure I understand this too. Couldn't be goldcntry's reference to the Chinatown fair as there was a Chinatown Mall culture Fair downtown on Sept 23.

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Oh, and we have taller buildings than they do.
In all fairness, SJ would easily have many more taller buildings than Sacramento if there wasn't the building height limits to meet basic federal safety standards due to the proximity to SJ's international airport. I think most buildings cannot be more than 22-24 stories or so.
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Nah, I just mentioned walking to the Chinatown fair because that's where I went on Sunday and saw a very similar view of 621 CM to one of Steve's shots. I was talking about skyscrapers, honest!
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Not sure I understand this too. Couldn't be goldcntry's reference to the Chinatown fair as there was a Chinatown Mall culture Fair downtown on Sept 23.
What I was referring to are comments from wburg like the following:

"racists who hate poor people" from Sacramento Transportation thread.

and...

"Vibrancy" and "urbanity" are buzzwords that really don't mean anything. They are used when someone wants to say "higher property value" and "more white people." from the Railyards thread.

What's really funny about the latter is that everyone knows when someone says "vibrancy" what they actually want to say is "fewer preservationists."
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