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  #1941  
Old Posted Sep 18, 2007, 5:31 PM
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Regarding the ground floor living space in the Madison models:

Might you be able to use that space as an office or retail? Does the zoning allow it?

I worked on the Village Walk project in San Diego's Little Italy. We designed the ground floor living space on the three story units as retail and marketed the units as "Shopkeeper Units." There is separate and direct access to the street. Is that possible here?
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2007, 6:03 PM
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And despite the latest fad where providing parking is apparently Public Enemy #1, I think it's pretty cool that they provide sufficient parking. It means that you have the option to drive if you want, but if you don't want to you have a secure place to store your car. The location is close enough to light rail (four blocks) and bus lines (buses run on both 21st and T) to make public transit downright handy.
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2007, 6:13 PM
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I do not think every new development is an appropriate place for ground-floor retail/office and this IMO is the case here. SD's Little Italy is a very different neighborhood than Poverty Ridge. I like the fact that's it's just going to be houses. Besides Safeway, Peet's, Rite Aid, Fin's and a bunch of other businesses are only a block or two away.

I was in my old hood the other day and while I know very little about trendoidy Portland I was impressed how much they reminded me of townhouses back east. The location is a little old -should be closer to the core. But we have CADA and it's amazing cutting-edge urbansuburban projects downtown.


"And despite the latest fad where providing parking is apparently Public Enemy #1"

---HAHA. You're funny. Don't Panic wburg. This town is still pretty much a car dominated place. Jessh you can take the kid out the suburb but you can't take the suburb out of the kid. It's not about making Sacramento car-less but rather making it less car -bringing a sensible balance between the car, the pedestrian, and the cyclist. If some people haven't gotten that by now they probably never well. wburg I hear you can get some great deals right now in Roseville, Elk Grove, and Natomas and they are a parking lovers wet dream.
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2007, 6:22 PM
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I hate parking lots.

I really do.
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2007, 8:44 PM
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I think a parking lot killed Majin's parents and he has sworn eternal bloody revenge.

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It's not about making Sacramento car-less but rather making it less car -bringing a sensible balance between the car, the pedestrian, and the cyclist.
We are of a mind about this. I'm just not as either/or about the issue as some are. There's a big, big difference between giant parking lots around a shopping center and having some provision for parking in close proximity to one's home. We can't just rule the car out of the equation, and maybe a good way to look at it is finding ways to *store* the car, for times when it does come in handy, rather than building cities around a car-driven metaphor.

travis: The zoning was changed from commercial to residential so I don't think that by-right commercial use would be a simple option. A residential occupancy permit might work, allowing one to have (for example) a consulting office with low-traffic business on the ground floor. By-right commercial would probably make the units even more expensive. Only about half the units will have direct access to city streets, there is an access road through the middle of the project and limited non-garage parking (I think there are maybe eight guest-parking spaces.)

As ozone mentioned before he started calling me a suburbanite, there is quite a bit of convenient nearby retail, limiting the need for retail in the project.
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2007, 9:16 PM
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a sensible balance between the car, the pedestrian, and the cyclist.
Ozone's quote is the very definition of smart growth.
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Some pics of the 4th Ave Lofts UC in Oak Park. I didn't even know this project existed. They're on the corner of 4th Ave and 35th St. Oak Park is really turning into a nice neighborhood (North and Central Oak Park).




and a bonus pic of the Sutter Med Ctr Parking Garage UC


Pics taken by me with my new iPhone! (I LOVE IT!)
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like honestly, why did they have to make the oak park lofts so..... unnattractive? they look strange, half looks somewhat modern and the other half looks like the sn&r building accross the street from the maaaaars. i could just imagine what went through the contracter's mind, "oh uhm, oak park? eh, just get some bricks. make it work. add a little pizzaz. there ya go. no one's really gonna see them, i mean hey it's OAK PARK!"

gahh i dont know, i've been out of it lately.
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Is the city still trying to get rid of greyhound? if so is 701 still ready to go?
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I went to the Starbucks on Broadway this morning and I saw the new apartments down the block.. I think they look great, especially the brick apts. Certainly they are more attractive than a lot of other things in Oak Park. The modern mixed with the brick adds some variation, but overall, who can complain about any kind of satisfactory infill in OP?
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The 4th Ave Lofts look great in person!
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2007, 5:26 AM
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The 4th Ave Lofts look great in person!
I agree. They look pretty fuckin' cool.
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Considering it's catty-corner from the Guild Theater I can see why they chose brick, but not sure why they only chose brick on half, other than economics. I'll have to check em out in person.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2007, 7:22 AM
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I went to the East End Gateway thing at CADA last night. Here are a couple of pics of East End Gateway Sites 2 & 3:






The info:
East End Gateway Site 2:
NW Corner of 16th & O Streets
4 Stories tall. About 60' to the top of the tower feature
12 1br/1ba and 12 2br/2ba -- 24 units total
5,816 square feet of retail/commercial/office space on the ground floor
36 parking spaces

East End Gateway 3
SW Corner of 16th & O Streets
5 stories tall. About 77' to the top of the tower feature
48 1br/1ba and 12 2br/2ba -- 60 units total
8,087 sqaure feet of retail/commercial/office space on the ground floor

The CADA Board (if everything is OK) should approve the schematic design and financing strategies for East End Gateway Sites 2 & 3 in November (at the November 1 meeting???). From there, CADA must enter into an agreement with the developer (Ravel Rasmussen Properties & Separovich/Domich Real Estate) - some time in December (again, if everything is OK). Construction would start in the Spring or Summer of 2008.

They hope to land a Mexican restaurant for one of the buildings (Do we need another Mexican place), Ravel Rasmussen is talking with a local restaurant group.

As you can see, the architecture has a Spanish/Mexican theme to it. The walls will be clad in stucco with wood and metal trim/features. The roof of each building will be tile. The interior finishes will be very nice (10' ceilings, granite counter tops, etc.). These will be higher-end market rate apartments. (I hate being poor). Management from Fremont Mews and 18th and L were asking probing questions trying to figure out the rents (trying to make sure their absurdly expensive prices are not too absurd, I guess).

I asked the architect (Christopher Wilson of Stantec Architecture (formerly Chong Partners Architecture)) about the Spanish theme and stucco walls:
1) Will these buildings look as cheap as the La Quinta Inn, I mean, The Fremont Building? His answer was a definite NO.
2) I'm a little worried about the stucco walls, I noticed some of the stucco buildings here in Sac have not held up well (lots of cracking, chips, paint coming off, etc.). What can you say about the quality of the stucco walls you propose? He noted that some buildings are cheaply done, having only a single coat of cementitious material over a styrofoam-like substrate. He said the stucco walls for East End Gateway Sites 2 & 3 will be higher quality than that (more layers and a higher quality substrate). A fine grain sand, which will give the walls a smoother surface than the overly grainy texture of some of the cheaper buildings, will be used. In addition, he mentioned the stucco may have integrated color, so no gray spots when the inevitable chips occur. However, the stucco will crack; cracking can be minimized, but it will still probably happen.



What about the other projects???

I cornered Tom Kigar of CADA and asked him about the CADA Warehouse and the East End Gateway Site 1 Project (possibly a 14 or 15 story tower).

He said CADA is excited to sign an agreement with the developer for the CADA Warehouse this month (or was it next month? I forget) and construction should begin within the next few months or so. (Where have we heard that before? However, he seemed pretty sure about it, so )

He seemed a bit more skeptical about East End Gateway Site 1. He expects CADA to sign an agreement with Lambert (the developer) in January. Construction could begin 6 months later. Although he would not assure me it will happen, he did say Lambert has a lot of experience and "if anyone can do it, it's them." CADA thinks Lambert will have to get about $600 a square foot. (A bit pricey. Can the market handle it?)



That's all I have for you all.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2007, 2:37 PM
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Great rundown snfenoc, I'm liking what I am seeing. As long as they stick to their guns on the stucco, it should be a fine addition...
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I agree. I really love the Spanish Pueblo style of architecture.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2007, 4:28 PM
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Thanks for reporting back, Steve. I really wanted to check it out, but had other commitments yesterday. Def has a Santa Barbara building look to them, minus the cheaper material.

I wonder if the high temps in summer contribute to the stucco cracking?

Assuming everything is okay, sure glad to see them getting going so fast after Loftworks pulled out last year.

Good to hear about Capitol Lofts, I had all but written that sucker off. but as you said, I'll believe it when I see it.

When you asked him about EEG 4 at 16th and P, he said 14-15 stories? I know that the site 1 at 16th and N is 15 stories (ground breaking in November, hopefully) , but I thought the one on P street was going to be around 8.

Was he maybe referring to the one on N Street? If not, glad to see them pump up the density on that site as well.

Thanks again for posting this stuff....

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Old Posted Sep 21, 2007, 5:29 PM
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Hey Steve thanks for the good info. Excited to hear that the CADA Warehouse is finally going forward -it's been a heck of a long time in coming.

I'm not real excited about Spanish revival in Sacramento but hopefully it'll look good. I guess it'll blend in nicely with the Luna building. Hey in the last rendering-doesn't the perspective view down 16th Street look a little more intimate than it really is? Anyway it is a heck of lot better than a couple of holes in the ground.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2007, 5:34 PM
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Hey Steve thanks for the good info. Excited to hear that the CADA Warehouse is finally going forward -it's been a heck of a long time in coming.
No kidding..I remember when the city approved a subsidy for this project back in 2001!
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2007, 5:41 PM
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Stucco is a perfectly good material in this climate if it is done right, but most recent stucco is very cheap and cracks a lot more quickly. Spanish Colonial Revival is most definitely intended to reflect the Luna's building. Did they mention anything about price points, rental vs. purchase, affordable components?

And yeah, I think EEG 1 is the 15 story project that Lambert is doing.
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