Salt Lake:Official development news thread - Page 112

SLCforme · #**2221** Posted **Sep 11, 2007, 5:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by RC14

Not True at all, I am attending LDCBC right now. Only about 25% of the students there are from Utah and a lot of them aren't even from the U.S. So actualy most of the students are probubly not commuters.

That's good to hear. However just because someone is from out of state or country doesn't mean they couldn't have moved to Sandy or Layton and then commute to LDSBC. Do you happen to know, by talking with your classmates, roughly what proportion live close to DT? I would be interested in knowing as I really don't know much about LDSBC students. Also, what proportion would you say are young college age kids (18-25ish) as opposed to people who are "going back" to school after entering the workforce or starting families?

The reason I ask is that based on what I do know, I would judge that LDSBC and BYUSLC really aren't adding to DT vitality that much, though I realize they just moved there or are currently still moving, so we really need more time to asses their impact.

I say this because adding to the vitality of a city encompasses more than just being there for part of the day. You have to be involved in the activities, eat at restraunts, get involved in the nightlife, walk around the city streets, hang out in the park, go to cultural and sporting events, etc.

It's similar to someone who works DT but lives in the suburbs and drives to work, and is never even seen on the street because they park in a parking garage, bring thier own lunch to work, and leave as soon as work is over everyday. They really aren't adding to the vitality of the city.

I realize that most LDS people are not interested in nightlife, at least not the way many other people are, but they can still be into the other aspects of city life. I just wonder how many are.

P.S. if any of this sounded offensive to anyone I apologize, I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm just interested and stating things the way they seem to me.

Future Mayor · #**2222** Posted **Sep 11, 2007, 6:43 PM**

I agree with you 100% as to the demographic that seems to currently be attending BYU SL and LDSBC. I think the U should put some housing and some classes in DT. I think student demo for the U would go a lot further in helping to bring activity to the street.

RC14 · #**2223** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 12:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by SLCforme

That's good to hear. However just because someone is from out of state or country doesn't mean they couldn't have moved to Sandy or Layton and then commute to LDSBC. Do you happen to know, by talking with your classmates, roughly what proportion live close to DT? I would be interested in knowing as I really don't know much about LDSBC students. Also, what proportion would you say are young college age kids (18-25ish) as opposed to people who are "going back" to school after entering the workforce or starting families?

P.S. if any of this sounded offensive to anyone I apologize, I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm just interested and stating things the way they seem to me.

I'm not really sure how many people actuly live in downtown. I must admit I have met alot of people who have moved in with family/friends in the suburbs, but I'm not sure how many. I think alot of them live in appartments downtown but I'm not sure.
Most of the students I've met are college age. I did not know unt'll I started school what type of school it was, I feared as you do that most of the students would be high school drop outs trying to earn a degree, and not being very interested in the college life, but from what I have experienced that is entierly wrong. LDBC belongs in it's own catigory it's not like any other college I know about. It's not a university but it's not your local community college eather, I think it's kind of a best kept secret in downtown Salt Lake. LDSBC has exceeded my expectations, I was not too excited about going there at first but now that I know more about it I think it was probubly the best choice I could have made.

I definently think they should bring some U of U housing downtown as well the more people we can get to live, work, and play the more enjoyable downtown will become, but I think LDSBC and BYU Salt Lake will defintently help even though they only have a couple thousand students, maybe they will grow as more people learn more about them.

P.S. no offence taken you where only stating your opinion, sorry if I came across as being offended.

RC14 · #**2224** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 12:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by SLCforme

That's good to hear. However just because someone is from out of state or country doesn't mean they couldn't have moved to Sandy or Layton and then commute to LDSBC. Do you happen to know, by talking with your classmates, roughly what proportion live close to DT? I would be interested in knowing as I really don't know much about LDSBC students. Also, what proportion would you say are young college age kids (18-25ish) as opposed to people who are "going back" to school after entering the workforce or starting families?

P.S. if any of this sounded offensive to anyone I apologize, I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm just interested and stating things the way they seem to me.

I'm not really sure how many people actuly live in downtown. I must admit I have met alot of people who have moved in with family/friends in the suburbs, but I'm not sure how many. I think alot of them live in appartments downtown but I'm not sure.
Most of the students I've met are college age. I did not know unt'll I started school what type of school it was, I feared as you do that most of the students would be high school drop outs trying to earn a degree, and not being very interested in the college life, but from what I have experienced that is entierly wrong. LDBC belongs in it's own catigory it's not like any other college I know about. It's not a university but it's not your local community college eather, I think it's kind of a best kept secret in downtown Salt Lake. LDSBC has exceeded my expectations, I was not too excited about going there at first but now that I know more about it I think it was probubly the best choice I could have made.

I definently think they should bring some U of U housing downtown as well the more people we can get to live, work, and play the more enjoyable downtown will become, but I think LDSBC and BYU Salt Lake will defintently help even though they only have a couple thousand students, maybe they will grow as more people learn more about them.

P.S. no offence taken you where only stating your opinion, sorry if I came across as being offended.

delts145 · #**2225** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 1:24 PM**

RC14, a big welcome to the forum. I look forward to hearing from someone who will be spending a lot of time around the northwest quadrant of downtown. It will be really interesting to see what kind of effect the campuses will have on that area. I would have to think that the immediate area such as Gateway, would see increased traffic. How much of an effect, I guess only time will tell. I do hope that those parking areas east of campus will see future expansion and development of the schools.

delts145 · #**2226** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 1:32 PM**

speaking of Gateway...

Urban Outfitters coming to Gateway

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695209197,00.html

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Jewel-encrusted flasks, fortune-telling Jesus figurines and politically charged dog toys-- Salt Lakers are about to find themselves exposed to a whole new shopping experience.

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gbb · #**2227** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 4:38 PM**

I'm pretty excited for Urban Outfitters to open up here. I always figured if their first location in Salt Lake woudl be at Trolley Square or in Sugarhouse though...

T-Mac · #**2228** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 6:54 PM**

I am really excited because I checked The Cheesecake Factory's website and found that they now have a location planned for Salt Lake City. It will be located at the Fashion Place Mall. It also says that they plan to open November 2007.

SmilingBob · #**2229** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 6:58 PM**

To bad this can't go up instead of out.

Sorry Wasatch, looks like more sprawl.

From the Enterprise Newspaper:

Sept. 10, 2007

New industrial park could boast as many as five million sq. feet
By Barbara Rattle
The Enterprise
A partnership between Chicago-based real estate investment trust First Industrial Realty Trust Inc. and the California State Teachers Retirement System has acquired 150 acres of raw ground in the Salt Lake Valley where it plans to develop an industrial park that eventually could house as much as five million square feet of buildings.
James Merrill, regional director for First Industrial, said ground should be broken in 90 to 120 days for the first building in the development, dubbed First Park at Salt Lake, at roughly 5600 West between 300 and 700 South. The 460,000 square foot structure will be built on spec and will be part of a 1.2 million square foot Phase I. The bulk distribution structure should be complete by next summer or fall. Additional phases will be built as market demands during the next three to five years and will include manufacturing, light manufacturing and distribution facilities.
In addition, Merrill said, First Industrial will offer some property in the development for sale, "we're just not exactly sure how much."
The project is particularly attractive, he said, because the vacancy rate for Class A bulk distribution space in the Salt Lake Valley is presently less than 5 percent.

SLCforme · #**2230** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 7:14 PM**

I actually don't think I'd count this one as srawl. It's a distribution center with future manufacturing and light manufacturing. Not really the type of thing you would want downtown; with large trucks constantly going in and out.

Makid · #**2231** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 7:16 PM**

I think that this space is more of a warehouse and distribution center space as opposed to office space. The other buildings in the area are all warehouse and manufacturing buildings. I don't see many people wanting an office building around the larger trucks that frequent these buildings.

delts145 · #**2232** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 8:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by T-Mac

I am really excited because I checked The Cheesecake Factory's website and found that they now have a location planned for Salt Lake City. It will be located at the Fashion Place Mall. It also says that they plan to open November 2007.

That's great news T-Mac. I love the Cheesecake Factory. It's a good sign for our metro when we see this particular restaurant setting up shop. Hopefully, several more will follow suit in the near future, especially downtown.

Scraperdude801 · #**2233** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 9:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by gbb

I'm pretty excited for Urban Outfitters to open up here. I always figured if their first location in Salt Lake woudl be at Trolley Square or in Sugarhouse though...

Wow... Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Gateway has nothing but the same store just in different storefronts I.E. Buckle, Gap, American Eagle, etc. ... I guess why I am so mad about this is because the lovely Boyer company decided that they would kick out Virgin Records (which have now left and gone, with no plans of coming back to Salt Lake City) because Urban Outfitters offered the Boyer company more money for their space. I used to feel bad for Boyer when they would whine and complain about how they are worried Taubman will pick their tennants like cherries when CCC opens, but if this is how they treat them at the gateway then maybe they don't deserve them. ... Now the only place to buy music (w/ a good selection) is Wal Mart or FYE, which neither are downtown. ... Really greedy decision if you ask me. It takes the balance away from the mall also. Every mall needs a music store IMHO.

My 2 cents, I hope I didn't offend you. I think it would be great to get Urban Outfitters at Trolley or something, I am just sad to see Virgin leave.

strippadam · #**2234** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 9:24 PM**

Speaking of Virgin Records. In my opinion Virgin Records was looking for a reason to leave. They closed 5 locations this year including downtown Chicago. By no means do i think boyer was simple wanting more money, after all they have plenty of vacant spots if they needed to use them. Just my thoughts.

Scraperdude801 · #**2235** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 10:18 PM**

strippadam that's interesting, What I posted is what I've heard from Virgin's former employees. ... That spot where Urban outfitters is going in is a prime location.

anyways I don't know if these have been posted yet or not (I know the blurry ones have) so forgive me if they have, but here is the Cottonwood development renderings that I got from cityofholladay.com:

From the Sky

Main Street

Cottonwood Neighborhood

Cottonwood Plaza

More Neighborhood

More Townhouses

River Walk

Townhomes

gbb · #**2236** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 10:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Scraperdude801

Wow... Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Gateway has nothing but the same store just in different storefronts I.E. Buckle, Gap, American Eagle, etc. ... I guess why I am so mad about this is because the lovely Boyer company decided that they would kick out Virgin Records (which have now left and gone, with no plans of coming back to Salt Lake City) because Urban Outfitters offered the Boyer company more money for their space. I used to feel bad for Boyer when they would whine and complain about how they are worried Taubman will pick their tennants like cherries when CCC opens, but if this is how they treat them at the gateway then maybe they don't deserve them. ... Now the only place to buy music (w/ a good selection) is Wal Mart or FYE, which neither are downtown. ... Really greedy decision if you ask me. It takes the balance away from the mall also. Every mall needs a music store IMHO.

My 2 cents, I hope I didn't offend you. I think it would be great to get Urban Outfitters at Trolley or something, I am just sad to see Virgin leave.

No offense taken. Maybe I should clarify my definition of 'here'. By that I meant in Salt Lake City.

I was pretty surprised when I first heard that the Virgin Records store was closing and that Urban Outfitters was coming in. That sucks if Boyer did act that way. Like I said I would have figured they would have been a part of the Trolley Square updates. It really is bad to lose a good music store downtown.

SmilingBob · #**2237** Posted **Sep 12, 2007, 11:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by strippadam

Speaking of Virgin Records. In my opinion Virgin Records was looking for a reason to leave. They closed 5 locations this year including downtown Chicago. By no means do i think boyer was simple wanting more money, after all they have plenty of vacant spots if they needed to use them. Just my thoughts.

The economics of the recording industry aren't very good. CD sales delcined by 15-20% last year and have been declining for years. Not a good sign for your business. Virgin wanted to break their lease and Boyer found a taker. Win/Win for both parties.

wrendog · #**2238** Posted **Sep 13, 2007, 12:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by T-Mac

I am really excited because I checked The Cheesecake Factory's website and found that they now have a location planned for Salt Lake City. It will be located at the Fashion Place Mall. It also says that they plan to open November 2007.

Come on, I told you guys about this months ago!

delts145 · #**2239** Posted **Sep 13, 2007, 12:52 AM**

Thanks for posting those pic's Scraperdude. I was just wondering about that particular development this morning. FYI, Cowboy Partners is working earnestly on a similar type project at the intersection of Holladay Blvd. and Murray Rd.,(will encompass about 70 acres around that intersection.) Anyway, this particular project at the old Cottonwood Mall site is exceptional. I hope it will be realized as presented in the renderings.

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wrendog · #**2240** Posted **Sep 13, 2007, 1:08 AM**

That cottonwood project is really going for some European flair. I think I like it.