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Old Posted Aug 22, 2007, 9:56 PM
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2007 American Music Awards show just announced will be broadcast live on ABC from NOKIA, LA LIVE (November 18, 2007)! sorry Shrine Auditorium....

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The large LA Live billboards on the exterior corner of Olympic/Fig are not LCD screens.
despite all the good news, this really blows. i so wanted them to be video screens.
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despite all the good news, this really blows. i so wanted them to be video screens.(
Though she went into alot of detail about how the videowalls in and around the Nokia plaza will interact with each other. She said towers in the plaza also play a part in the interactive advertising. She said it would be like 30% advertising and the rest entertainment. If they really wanted to make it "Time Square West" then they should have videowalls everywhere on the exterior streetcorners at least. Especially Fig/Olympic!

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^There's a shitload of billboards in Times Square too.
     
     
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Hotel, Mall Sales Shake Little Tokyo


New Otani Hotel located in Little Tokyo in downtown
Los Angeles. (CARLOS CHAVEZ/LAT)


With the New Otani and Japanese Village Plaza going to new owners, the neighborhood worries about keeping its ethnic character.

By Roger Vincent and Andrea Chang, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
August 23, 2007

Two landmarks of Los Angeles' Japanese American community were sold this month as downtown's economic boom swept through Little Tokyo, raising concerns about what the effect will be on the closely knit ethnic neighborhood. In the last two weeks, the high-rise New Otani Hotel & Garden and the popular outdoor Japanese Village Plaza were acquired in separate transactions. Elsewhere in the neighborhood, millions of dollars' worth of real estate development is taking place.

"There's some question of what's going to happen when a new owner comes in and takes over a property with a long history" such as the mall, said Chris Komai, a spokesman with the Japanese American National Museum in Little Tokyo.

He said Japanese community members often worried about whether Little Tokyo would keep its ethnic character as the nearby Civic Center area expanded and new businesses arrived. He noted the presence of Starbucks coffeehouses and a Quizno's sandwich shop in Little Tokyo. "Our concern is that Little Tokyo would become just like any other place in America," Komai said. "That would be something that we would all feel really badly about."

The news comes as the neighborhood observes Nisei Week, a celebration of Japanese American culture that ends Sunday.

The 21-story New Otani at 1st and Los Angeles streets is the dominant structure in Little Tokyo and the focus of many local cultural activities. Last weekend it hosted a national amateur sumo wrestling tournament and other Nisei Week events. Among the upscale hotel's 434 rooms are suites catering to Japanese tourists furnished with tatami platform beds and traditional Japanese plumbing fixtures in the bathrooms. It also has an elaborate rooftop Japanese garden.

"This property is a very central piece of the Japanese community," said Ted Wakao, president of the Japanese Chamber of Commerce of Southern California. "So we are very concerned about the new owners."

The buyer of the New Otani is 3D Investments, a private, Beverly Hills-based real estate partnership that owns several commercial properties, including the two most prominent hotels in San Francisco's Japantown. 3D Investments bought the New Otani and its connected retail mall Weller Court from a consortium of Japanese investors, East West Development Corp. Representatives for the parties did not respond to requests for comment, but hotel consultant Alan Reay valued the hotel alone at as much as $60 million. "It's a nice property," said Reay, president of Atlas Hospitality Group. "I'd call it a four-diamond hotel."

The hotel was completed in 1977 and was perhaps at its zenith during the 1980s when the Japanese economy was prosperous and many tourists viewed Los Angeles as a choice destination. Shops in the hotel and Weller Court stocked jewelry and clothing from top-brand retailers such as Cartier and Burberry.

Japanese tourism has ebbed and flowed in Los Angeles, affected by the Japanese economy and events in the U.S. such as earthquakes, riots and the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Other countries have also stepped up efforts to court tourists from Japan. "Japanese travelers are really big spenders and everyone wants them," said Carol Martinez of LA Inc., the city's convention and visitors bureau. The number of visitors to Los Angeles from Japan peaked in 1997, she said.

Since then many of the shops in Weller Court have closed, and today it appears dated and a little rough around the edges. But changes may be in the works. New owners typically invest in real estate improvements, and the New Otani is likely to be no exception.

In San Francisco, 3D Investments' hotel manager, Joie de Vivre Hospitality, is revitalizing two older properties. Hotel Tomo, which reopened in June, reflects popular Japanese youth culture, and Hotel Kabuki, scheduled to open in November, will evoke traditional Japanese themes. Joie de Vivre representatives declined to speculate on a role managing the New Otani.

The new owners of Japanese Village Plaza are planning improvements as well. The mall was acquired for $40.7 million this month by American Commercial Equities, according to real estate brokerage GVA Charles Dunn. Malibu-based American Equities will spend "several million dollars" to refresh the two-story outdoor pedestrian mall of Japanese-themed shops and restaurants between 1st and 2nd streets, President Marvin Lotz said. He hopes to start work this year. "We'll be paying special attention to maintaining its character," Lotz said. "We know it is an important asset to the community, and it is an important asset to us."

New housing and other improvements across downtown have helped the hotel market in recent years, said industry observer Bruce Baltin of PKF Consulting. Average hotel occupancy was 74% in 2006, the highest in decades, and this year occupancy has been slightly higher. Average room rates are also up 6.3% from a year ago. More people who come downtown for business or cultural attractions are staying there overnight. "There is less leakage out of downtown" to other local hotel districts, Baltin said.

Little Tokyo is already getting a share of new investment. Across the street from the New Otani is the 3-year-old Caltrans District 7 headquarters on one corner and a new branch library on another. The former St. Vibiana's Cathedral next to the library has been refurbished as a performance center, and work has begun on a connected condominium development. Also across 2nd Street from the New Otani, most of a city block that is now a large parking lot will be redeveloped by three companies into four retail and residential projects. Preliminary work is underway on one of them.

"It's not really Little Tokyo anymore," said Mira Park, director of retail operations for pastry and ice cream company Mikawaya, which has a store in Japanese Village Plaza. "It's a melting pot, and I think that's a good thing. Nothing can be the same forever."
     
     
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The former St. Vibiana's Cathedral next to the library has been refurbished as a performance center, and work has begun on a connected condominium development.
^Great article. I think the new ownership only means good news for these LT properties. I'd love to see Weller Court cleaned up and given new life. Downtown needs more pedestrian areas like that. Is this quote from the article referring to the St. Vibiana Tower? What kind of work "has begun"?
     
     
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^ That's a misquote. Gilmore hasn't started on the tower yet at St. Vibiana, but he has been working on final restoration of church, which looks a lot like new construction. Work on the actual tower is still some time away.
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What kind of work "has begun"?
I noticed that too, & liked to think plans maybe were further along than anyone knew about til now. But then reality hit. However, I just ran across this article & it's the first time I've seen a pic of the inside of St Vibiana's in its new incarnation (& I still like to think Trifecta actually has done well enough that it really hasn't shut down since this report was written).


www.bizbash.com/newyork, 08.22.07

The Downtown Lowdown


One of downtown's most architecturally striking buildings houses the event venue Vibiana.

You've heard about the renaissance—we've all heard. But is the area really event-worthy (yet)?

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If you're old enough to remember the threat of a Y2K bug, you’re old enough to remember a desolate, dangerous downtown Los Angeles, where few ventured unless they were going to work. The 21st century has been kind to the area, which has seen a surge in new venues, residences, public spaces, and cultural institutions, from cool bars and restaurants like the Edison and Trifecta to huge-scale development projects like L.A. Live. Most significantly, the public conversation about downtown has shifted toward enthusiastic praise, and the topic of the area’s spectacular renaissance is a continual din about town. But how much of downtown’s miraculous comeback is real—and how much is perception, hype, and smart P.R.? And just how suitable is the area for special events?

“It’s no secret that downtown has been left undone for quite a few years, so I’m not speaking out of turn when I say that,” says Michael Krouse, senior vice president of sales at LA Inc., Los Angeles’s convention and visitors bureau. He admits that downtown events can still be a hard sell but says the numbers tell the story of his group’s and others’ success in convincing the masses: In the 12-month period that ended in June, companies booked 41 conventions in downtown Los Angeles (and more than 535,000 hotel rooms, with an economic impact to the city of $287 million); for the previous 12-month period, that number was just 21. Krouse credits the emergence of residences—mostly lofts and condos—with instigating the services and nightlife that have resuscitated the area.

Nightspots such as the airy, nostalgic Edison are destinations that draw hip young people from neighborhoods throughout L.A.—not just an after-work crowd of local office workers. Gen Art’s regional event director, Matt Wise, who works on events for that set of influencers, routinely takes groups downtown. “Last fall, we did a grand opening at the gorgeous Roosevelt Lofts on 7th Street. We closed off the street, set up ample security at each entry point, lit up some buildings with red LEDs, set up furniture on white carpet right in the middle of the street, cranked up the DJ, and blew it out,” Wise says. “We were an oasis of festivity in an otherwise dark area. Everyone felt safe, everyone had a blast, and I don’t know another city where that would have been possible.”

What works for Gen Art’s grit-tolerant guests might not work for, say, Cartier’s invitee list, but although security is still an issue—the homelessness, poverty, and desperation that pervade nearby Skid Row are hardly invisible—it’s not at the top of the list of concerns among the dozen or so event planners we interviewed. Nor do downtown’s proponents think it ought to be.

“This security thing is my biggest pet peeve, and I’ll tell you why I feel so passionate about it,” Krouse says. “[The crime reputation is] an old perception, and it drives me crazy. I’d have to say that New York has done a great P.R. job [to combat its old reputation for crime], and I’d have to say that L.A. has done a crappy job.” Indeed, according to an F.B.I. report compiled from police data around the country in 2006, Los Angeles had a crime rate 21 percent lower than the average of the 10 U.S. cities with populations of one million or more (ranking just below New York for safety).


The Edison draws a flock of cool kids to its soaring, nostalgic space.

Planners’ real concerns relate to L.A.’s notorious burden: a glut of cars and a dearth of places to put them. Some in the event community say the combination of traffic, parking, and distance are still too big a plague on downtown to make it a viable event option. “It’s difficult to get people from the Westside or those in the entertainment industry down there. It’s not a lack of interesting venues, but a matter of geography and traffic,” says a planner and publicist who works mostly on the Westside. “What’s happening downtown is very exciting, but as traffic increases and travel times take longer, it will be more and more difficult to get people to take the extra time and effort to get there.”

When considering locations for Gen Art’s events, Wise asks himself, Is anyone going to drive downtown on that night, at that time? “We consider whether there is safe and reasonably priced parking available for guests,” he says. For the record, the convention center has more than 5,000 parking spaces, and the new L.A. Live complex—expected to be completed by early 2010—will offer an additional 5,000-plus. (Along with its new parking spaces, L.A. Live is likely to bring with it a significant traffic burden—as well as a breadth of new event venues.)

“Parking is plentiful downtown; it’s just a matter of knowing where it is,” says Carol Schatz, president and C.E.O. of the two largest downtown business organizations, the Central City Association and the Downtown B.I.D. “Traffic is more of an issue now—when you’re talking about events, it’s [a problem of] ingress and egress. But I go to an annual event at [Santa Monica’s] Barker Hangar, and it’s very hard to get out of there, too. Downtown is so quintessentially, infinitely more interesting than anything on the Westside. Unfortunately, [although the B.I.D.] has a lot of clout, fixing the traffic in the city is beyond our scope. But I’m very pleased that, in some ways, the traffic proves the success of the renaissance.”

L.A. traffic is a delicate ecosystem, and it helps if you know its patterns. Downtown is naturally easier to access on weekend nights than weekday rush hour, and planners who do events there keep that fact in mind. “We usually find that people are willing to drive downtown, especially for nighttime events,” Wise says. “We’ve found that our Shop L.A. [daytime sample sale] event doesn’t work as well downtown for some reason. Whether it’s the perceived distance or something else, we’re not sure.”

Logistic issues aside, one of downtown’s major lures is the uniqueness—and relative age, in the context of a relatively young city—of its venue offerings. Warner Music Group’s New York-based vice president of corporate communications, Susan Mazo, says she took her group’s Grammy after-party to the old cathedral now known as Vibiana for more important reasons than its proximity to the award show at nearby Staples Center. “The location wasn’t the primary factor,” she says. “In fact, we’ve hosted very successful post-Grammy events in all parts of Los Angeles. What drives us first and foremost is the emotional response we have to the event space, and St. Vibiana’s Cathedral is an exceptional venue that inspired many ideas from the moment we entered. Of course parking and other logistics are important factors, but it has to start with the venue. I can’t imagine walking into a venue and saying, ‘Wow, what great parking!’”

Similarly, fashion designer Eduardo Lucero took the show for his recent collection away from Mercedes-Benz Fashion Week’s official location in Culver City and brought the event instead to the historic Los Angeles Theatre downtown. “It’s always a bit of a risk when you’re trying to move Westsiders to downtown. Sometimes there is resistance; to a lot of people, it’s still this nowhere land, and you have to deal with people’s fears,” Lucero says. “There are a lot of amazing venues downtown that are not being used, in part because people don’t even know they exist—[but] the spaces are really cool.”

Mazo shares the same thinking. “We would absolutely host another event downtown,” she says. “Downtown features a rich architectural heritage that is unique to L.A., which makes reinventing historic venues extremely exciting.” — Alesandra Dubin


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High-rent mercados may give way to chains that will pay much less

By SARAH FILUS
Los Angeles Business Journal Staff

Pricey apartments are opening above mercado stalls on Broadway's Arcade Building.
Pricey apartments are opening above mercado stalls on Broadway's Arcade Building.
Property owners along South Broadway in the Historic District downtown are facing a conundrum: what to do with the ground floor retail space?

For years the mercados between Second and Eighth streets have been known as a primary Hispanic shopping destination. Particularly on weekends, they bustle with thousands of shoppers, who buy jewelry, food, T-shirts and knick-knacks. Business is so good, in fact, that merchants there pay rents as high as $10 per square foot per month – about the same as rents along the famous Third Street Promenade in Santa Monica.

But as the long-underused space above the mercados is being adapted into higher-end residential, the same landlords feel pressure to bring in national coffee shops, book stores and the like to cater to the professional class that’s moving in.

Problem is, the national chains are not willing to pay those high prices because their sales per square foot are not as high as the mercados. Also, the chains aren’t sure that the downtown renaissance is mature enough for their arrival.

“The difference between what we get from the mercados versus what we will get from a national chain will be hard to take,” said Greg Martin, the U.S. representative of a triad of real estate companies called Begonia Development, Mideb, and 5th Street Funding, owned by Australian interests. “But if the right tenant comes along – Borders, Starbucks, Trader Joe’s – we would certainly rent them space.”

The Australian firms have held property along Broadway for more than 20 years and now manage more than 500,000 square feet in the area. They expect to open their first round of apartments within the next four months in a historic building, the interior units of which overlook an arcade that has long been an indoor mercado mall.

The 143 upscale apartments are expected to rent for $2 to $2.50 per square foot per month, comparable to other upscale areas around Los Angeles.

Residents – who will most likely be similar to the average renter downtown, 25 to 35 years old and about half making more than $150,000 a year – can either get to their apartment by walking through the bustling mall or by using a separate door.

When the apartments open, the merchants below will be required to move their merchandise into their stores and out of a central hallway. In the place of the merchandise, Martin will put kiosks down the center hallway that will serve both the residents and the shops and shoppers.

Some seem resigned to the lower rents they’ll get from the retail space.

Developer Fred Afari, for example is advertising lower retail rents on the first floor of his building under construction at Broadway and Eighth. The idea is to attract recognizable name brands.

“The retail rents are high along Broadway because of the high Hispanic traffic that moves through,” said Afari. “We feel we have to give some kind of lower rents to get national tenants. We are looking to accommodate the people on the upper floors and to promote the whole neighborhood.”

He signed a contract with Bakersfield-based Kelly’s Coffee and Fudge Factory, a chain with about 35 locations around Southern California, to open a shop on the ground floor of his building when it’s completed at the end of the year. And he’s looking for more tenants. A dry cleaner, market, and small restaurant are some of his top priorities. e is willing to rent retail space for between $1.75 and $2.50 per square foot per month – a deep discount for the area.

Mercado moves

Some Mercado tenants said they think that national chains like Starbucks will revitalize the area. Others disagreed.

“No one that buys here sleeps here,” said Jim Meh, the owner of Discount Jewelry Plaza, a small jewelry store along Broadway near Eighth Street. He kept his store in Afari’s building until construction started about a year ago, he said. “One hundred percent of my customers are Spanish-speaking. They don’t pay $2 for Starbucks coffee; they go pay 50 cents to buy coffee and add water.”

Either way, more developers are expected to take this step, said Carol Schatz, president and chief executive of the Central City Association of Los Angeles.

“There are many, many buildings that are physically currently under development. It will be very interesting to watch,” she said. “As people start moving into a neighborhood, they have needs that need to be met. Everyone wanted to see a grocery store downtown. They want more places to grab coffee.”

Within the next year as construction projects are completed, up to 5,000 residents could move into the new apartments in the historic core along Broadway and on Spring and Main streets nearby, said J. Russell Brown, the president of the Downtown L.A. Neighborhood Council and the executive director of the Historic Downtown BID.

The transformation of Broadway certainly signals a continuing decline in the fortunes of mercados. Merchants and landlords said that business at the mercados has been falling off for years.

“Every day it goes down, down,” said Carlos Tejada, a merchant who pays $7,000 a month to rent a storefront for his men’s apparel shop along Broadway. “I’m not making any money. Never have I seen stores closed like this along Broadway.”

Tejada said he may have to close by next year.

The street took an initial hit in the ’90s when the MTA Red Line was built through the area, preventing easy travel along Broadway’s sidewalks, said Anne Peaks, vice president of Yellin Co., which owns the Grand Central Market, Homer Laughlin Building, and the Million Dollar Theater along Broadway. Business on the street never completely recovered, she said. Foot traffic lightened more when Angel’s Flight railway – which carried people from Bunker Hill to the Broadway area – closed in 2001 after a crash.

The Spanish-speaking population also gained a greater variety of places to shop. “The population has dispersed in a lot of ways,” Peaks said. “People can go to Wal-Mart and Sam’s Club and to the suburbs where they can get similar prices.”

Huntington Park and South Central are popular destinations for Hispanic shoppers looking for a more organized and upscale shopping experience, Brown said. The companies Martin works for own real estate in Huntington Park that looks similar to the space on Broadway. “The people in Huntington Park used to ask us for space along Broadway. Now the people on Broadway want a spot in Huntington Park,” said Martin.

Upscale mercados?

Brown predicts that the slowdown in the mercados could help in the revitalization of Broadway.

“As the flea market atmosphere transitions, you will see more upscale dining and shopping experience,” he said. “There will always be a place for the Latino community, but right now there is not much more than a Tijuana-like shopping experience.”

Joseph Hellen, who leads the U.S. operations for the Australian firms, says he would like to see the block entirely converted to an upscale shopping mall akin to the Third Street Promenade or the Grove, but with more entertainment venues. He has been in talks with other developers in the area including Michael Delijani, who owns a number of the historic theaters along Broadway.

“Everything moves slow because there are a lot of restrictions because the buildings are historic,” said Hellen. When he first arrived on the scene, he wanted to knock down 75 percent of the district and build a mall from scratch, but he realizes the process will take a long time.

What’s more, many of the mercados could adapt and even thrive if the area goes more upscale.

For example, earlier this year he was involved in opening a Rite Aid at Fifth and Broadway, and the swap businesses were moved to new locations nearby. One bakery opened an upscale version.

“We brought the merchants in and told them we were going to upgrade the retail,” said Hellen. “They said, ‘if the area is going to improve, our business is going to improve.’

“If upscale is where the market is going, they will respond accordingly.”
     
     
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I truly hope for a retail integrated Broadway, but these yuppies arent being nice and attempting to transition the area at all. I predict a glut of storefronts, despite a still vibrant crowd of Latino patrons, and a bunch of rich kids whining about something else "ethnic" in their vicinity. BTW, isnt it discrimination to charge one vendor lower rents for them to bring in a certian kind of "preferred demographic" while previously charging other vendors a much higher rate?
     
     
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from a business perspective it doesn't make any sense at all! To charge up to $10 a square foot and then lower it to $2 is absolutely crazy, i would think. I personally like the vibe of broadway...all it really needs is a LOT of cleaning...from the store fronts to the sidewalks....i also think that it is a really stupid idea to try and convert Broadway into some sort of grove, that's just crazy With the amount of money these shops take in the city should make them clean up...last I heard the Broadway area sold more and made more money than the promenade and old town.
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Well, presumably the landlords are hoping that as the area grows and thrives they will be able to increase the rents back up to $10 or even higher. Also according to the story many of the current tenants are already losing business so it does make sense to try and draw patrons from the rapidly growing residential base.
     
     
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I truly hope for a retail integrated Broadway, but these yuppies arent being nice and attempting to transition the area at all. I predict a glut of storefronts, despite a still vibrant crowd of Latino patrons, and a bunch of rich kids whining about something else "ethnic" in their vicinity.
I don't know what yuppies being "nice" or not has to do with the story that LASF posted above. If anything, blame the MTA, or Huntington Pk, or Walmart:


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Merchants and landlords said that business at the mercados has been falling off for years. “Every day it goes down, down,” said Carlos Tejada, a merchant who pays $7,000 a month to rent a storefront for his men’s apparel shop along Broadway. “I’m not making any money. Never have I seen stores closed like this along Broadway.”

Tejada said he may have to close by next year.

The street took an initial hit in the ’90s when the MTA Red Line was built through the area, preventing easy travel along Broadway’s sidewalks, said Anne Peaks, vice president of Yellin Co., which owns the Grand Central Market, Homer Laughlin Building, and the Million Dollar Theater along Broadway. Business on the street never completely recovered, she said. Foot traffic lightened more when Angel’s Flight railway – which carried people from Bunker Hill to the Broadway area – closed in 2001 after a crash.

The Spanish-speaking population also gained a greater variety of places to shop. “The population has dispersed in a lot of ways,” Peaks said. “People can go to Wal-Mart and Sam’s Club and to the suburbs where they can get similar prices.”

Huntington Park and South Central are popular destinations for Hispanic shoppers looking for a more organized and upscale shopping experience, Brown said. The companies Martin works for own real estate in Huntington Park that looks similar to the space on Broadway. “The people in Huntington Park used to ask us for space along Broadway. Now the people on Broadway want a spot in Huntington Park,” said Martin.

BTW, there's an SSPer who has a POV similar to yours, who said something not long ago about racism or elitism hurting parts of the hood, & what he believes is the unfair impact that's having on some ppl. Nonetheless, he took a look at pics like these & ended up saying this.

There are two problems with Broadway in its present shape: not only do many of its stores make little or no effort to look nice or even semi nice, but most of them shutdown early in the evening. The first problem is inexcusable if many of the merchants really are raking in alot of $$$. So if they & their landlord are doing so well, then why the hell are so many of the stores they're managing or renting set up like dives?!

The second problem is cuz a lot of the ppl who shop on Broadway during the daytime don't wanna come out or hang around there in the evening, most of the street dies after 6:00 pm.

That's in marked contrast to the gaslight district in DT San Diego.
     
     
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I know a forumer said something a few wks ago about how the Parkfifth proj was doing, but there wasn't any follow up or confirmation to what he claimed about it. I like to think this not only backs up what was posted back then, but that it's something to say hip hip hurrah about.
     
     
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BTW, there's an SSPer who has a POV similar to yours, who said something not long ago about racism or elitism hurting parts of the hood, & what he believes is the unfair impact that's having on some ppl. Nonetheless, he took a look at pics like these & ended up saying this.
Haha. citywatch, sometimes I wonder if you have some kind of amazing memory recall or if you're keeping some kind of log on every forumer here. I think the "problem" with Broadway is that there really is no problem at all. This point has been made before by another forumer, but we in the LA subforum generally complain that downtown only has islands of activity separated by an ocean of deadzones, with no connectivity between these islands. So why is it that the only continuous corridor in downtown with bustling pedestrian activity is one of the most maligned? Do you see the kind of hypocrisy I'm trying to highlight here? For all the talk of Broadway, almost every other main thoroughfare in downtown is in need of national chains and facelifts. Why don't we fix up the deadzones before we get to Broadway which is NOT a deadzone hence does not need immediate attention. These developers need to take their business to 7th st., spring, hope and the like. Let Broadway evolved naturally. Broadway wasn't a latino driven flea market 50 years ago and it won't be 50 years from now. Don't force the game because you'll create socioeconimic rifts, the same kind that have plagued and made Los Angeles infamous. Words like elitism and racism do get thrown around but you dont really see it until landowners offer discounts to multinational chains while keeping rents sky high for current tenants.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2007, 3:50 AM
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Blame the MTA??? What the f***? Does everybody want to live in cars for their whole lives? The Red/Purple lines have been a god send for development in downtown LA. That's been the true kicker for our revitalization. You need transportation to grow a community. Yes, there was construction for years on the subway, but look at the output. It's the greatest thing to ever happen to Los Angeles. We're seeing setbacks now with the Gold Line eastside extension, but in 2 years, everybody will glamour over it and how it will spur even more development! I hate it when people blame the MTA for rail construction (f'n BRUers), they don't see the true value of a city (hint: we're not a suburb).
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2007, 4:02 AM
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The second problem is cuz a lot of the ppl who shop on Broadway during the daytime don't wanna come out or hang around there in the evening, most of the street dies after 6:00 pm.
That's in marked contrast to the gaslight district in DT San Diego.
I think this has to do with the fact that these storse DO shut down early. NOT with the people not "wanting" to go to broadway after 6pm.

Broadway has the potential to be a completely different experience that can be totally unique to L.A.....a mix between, the grove, old town, gas lamp, broadway theatre district (ny), and huntington park.
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“We brought the merchants in and told them we were going to upgrade the retail,” said Hellen. “They said, ‘if the area is going to improve, our business is going to improve.’
i think this quote tells stories about what the potential is in broadway.

but again, I have to reiterate with the fact that, as a business person, why go down in rent to $2 sq. ft. from $10 when the latter gives you more profit? I think the city needs to step in and "force" the clean up of Broadway...or? what else can be done?

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“As the flea market atmosphere transitions, you will see more upscale dining and shopping experience,” he said. “There will always be a place for the Latino community, but right now there is not much more than a Tijuana-like shopping experience."
sorry...but the "Tijuana-like shopping experience" brings in droves of people to downtown. -not necessarily good becuase a lot of people drive- nevertheless, it does...which opens up another can of worms...lower or middle income housing....ayyy, this is frustrating...

i sometimes just wish downtown was like new york already, but at the same time i do NOT want it to be...L.A. needs to be L.A. I really hope the "powers that be" have the insight and answers to these problems. for the time being, I'm really glad i'm taking a class in urban enviroments, hopefully when I'm done, I'll have a better understanding of this situtation
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2007, 6:37 AM
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Good points LAtennisguy, I applaud the redevelopment, I just wish it was done with some kind of respect for the existing community and rational towards fucntion over some lust for rich shoppers, that's all. As a booster of DTLA myself, it puzzles me that so many other "boosters" cannot see the logic in maintaining (and accepting) the kind of people and retail that exists there now. It puzzles me that people blame the patrons and workers for the shitty aesthetics of the area, when OUR CITY has let it rot for half a century and done nothing to mitigate or regulate the kinds of business fronts that exist there.

Do any of you "boosters" remember the old Broadway? The one where children could literally fall into holes along the sidewalk and feces reigned supreme? That was not the result of any of the patrons or shitty latino-catering stores, it was the result of urban neglect and civic leaders/suburbanites not caring about our city core or its residents, so please FREAKEN jold them to taks to amend their wrongs.

If our neglectful city (when it comes to poor brown folks) had used a bit of $$$ to clean and repair the streets, regulate commercial facades and building cleanliness BEFORE the money moved in some of these buildings, just MAYBE theese stores would have made their way down there before today. But the city didnt, it let the area rot for decades, and now expect the brown folks who transfer busses and use these facilities to just fade away as they were supposed to when they bulldozed half of East LA for freeways or Chavez ravine.

Many of you people prefer to label my comments in the same category as some poverty pimp or liberal who is in need of a soapbox, but they ae not, they are the genuine concerns of someone trained in the field who is worried that too many starstruck elitists are forgetting the other 2/3rds of the city that was abandoned to begin with. Lets include them in our plan for a better Los Angeles FOR ONCE, huh?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2007, 6:44 AM
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That has to be one of the most uplifting articles I've read this entire year! I already knew the businesses along Broadway was doing much worse than years before (I know some of the brokers who lease on Broadway, if you're asking how I know). And this article corroborates their stories.

Anyway, I think Broadway sucks right now and I'm just glad to know that eventually it'll be changed into a much more upscale, hip, and cleaner shopping/entertainment district!

There is hope for downtown yet!
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