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Alliance · #**1581** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 4:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by liat91

I wonder since whatever committee decided to start counting spires as a buildings official height, could they in essence change their minds and start counting buildings to their roof heights as the official height? And if that happened there would be alot of buildings which would fall off the tallest of the tall list. Is it possible the ruling of official height could be changed?

CTBUH is in charge of that distinction and there have been serious challenges to the traditional "height by spire" definition. They've added the antenna, roof, and HOF definitions recently.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if they change the definition to height by roof or HOF within the next few years.

CoolCzech · #**1582** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 10:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Alliance

CTBUH is in charge of that distinction and there have been serious challenges to the traditional "height by spire" definition. They've added the antenna, roof, and HOF definitions recently.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if they change the definition to height by roof or HOF within the next few years.

- CTBUH can come up with whatever definition they fancy, and it won't change the dimensions of any building in the world by one iota. Let's do try to remember that CTBUH is a self-appointed group of people no more "charged" with "the responsibility" to make a ruling on the relative merits of buildings than the local boyscout troop is.

When I look at the figures of the Sears and FT side by side, I see two very impressive, very nice towers. Nothing the CTBUH has to say can change that.

Daquan13 · #**1583** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 12:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by Alliance

CTBUH is in charge of that distinction and there have been serious challenges to the traditional "height by spire" definition. They've added the antenna, roof, and HOF definitions recently.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if they change the definition to height by roof or HOF within the next few years.

Ddn't you guys just read JMGarca's post?

Keep that up and we may loose ths thread. I don't want that to happen.

Independence · #**1584** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 8:34 AM**

Height is a whole different thing than appearance.

I'm sure there were many people who (before Taipei 101) thought 'Hey, the Petronas Towers. Wow. That's one big ass motherf*cker of a building. Its even taller than Sears!!!'

What I mean is quite simple. Look at the diagrams of the current WTBs.

Compared to the Sears Tower, the Petronas Towers are actually looking 'small' and skinny!

Their spire increased height gives the impression of being massive. But they aren't! Sears is a much more hulking heavyweight than the two Petronas twrs together. It's the same with Taipei 101, which is pretty skinny at the Top.

Height for itself can only be a numeric criteria for comparison. In the end, it all depends on the individual apperance and bulkyness of a building.

To stay in Chicago, the Chicago Spire could become a stick insect compared to Sears, even if it's much taller.

Same for the NYC-Chicago battle. Sears will always be taller than 1WTC, and will have much more mass, of course. A spire that reaches 1776ft will not help. In terms of apperance, that is.

I hope you can figure out what I mean. Giving auch explainations is definitely not my thing.

Daquan13 · #**1585** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 9:22 AM**

Independence · #**1586** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 10:50 AM**

Can someone please explain what the coloumns that are already in place are supposed to be part of? And if these coloumns have to take structural load of the tower, where will their counterparts, for example on the opposite side of the lot be installed? I mean, there's the subway running under the remains of the parking structure... I always wonder about that, since the tower seems to be crimped into the northwest corner of the bathtub...

Daquan13 · #**1587** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 1:24 PM**

The infrastrucrure. That part won't start rising above street level until next year. Columns will also be installed between the PATH tracks to help support the tower and its base.

The PATH tracks will once again be covered up and well hidden from view, just like they were when the Twins were built.

CarlosV · #**1588** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 5:42 PM**

^

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!!

August 13, 2007

I took a stroll today at the construction site of the WTC...IT WAS CHUCK FULL OF ACTIVITY EVERYWHERE!!!

a purple steel structure has already begun to rise above street level east of the WTC 1 foundations......i did not take a pic of it, but will next time..

sorry about the steel mesh screen covering the view...

the original "white" freedom tower steel column (half of it) is already covered in concrete...

Ghost · #**1589** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 6:18 PM**

Great update Carlos! Thank you very much. Glad to see finally something new there.

btw what's that crane there far away?

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Originally Posted by PUSSY WILLOW

CarlosV · #**1590** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 6:46 PM**

that crane? yeah....i'd say 200 feet away from where i stood?? perhaps...

Independence · #**1591** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 6:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Daquan13

The infrastrucrure. That part won't start rising above street level until next year. Columns will also be installed between the PATH tracks to help support the tower and its base.

The PATH tracks will once again be covered up and well hidden from view, just like they were when the Twins were built.

BETWEEN the PATH tracks? Are you kidding?
Support of the TOWER and it's base? Isn't it quite risky to place support columns >>b e t w e e n<< the subway tracks?

Just because they're called support columns doesn't mean that they
aren't necessary for the structural integrity of the tower, I suppose...?!?

What if someone detonates a bomb down there? Almost like those madmen have tried to blow the old Twins in 1993...
I don't want to start a panic, but I hope that everything will be done for not making the tower a possible target (again).

Claimed as the most secure new office tower in the USA - It would be very disturbing if it was extremely vulnerable at a place that is easy to access just by riding on a PATH train.

Let's hope not.

CarlosV · #**1592** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 7:03 PM**

I took the PATH train this morning from JErsey City and the train DOES NOT pass anywhere near the freedom Tower foundation....once the train enters manhattan....you can see the construction to the north........

Independence · #**1593** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 7:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by PUSSY WILLOW

I took the PATH train this morning from JErsey City and the train DOES NOT pass anywhere near the freedom Tower foundation....once the train enters manhattan....you can see the construction to the north........

That's not the whole truth. When you head back to New Jersey, the PATH tracks are running right next to the foundation, in fact, you can say that the train has to go AROUND the foundation of the tower before it disappears into the tunnel under the Hudson.

CarlosV · #**1594** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 7:23 PM**

mmmm maybe...

Complex01 · #**1595** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 9:26 PM**

Wow, looks really busy. Nice to see all the work going on...

Daquan13 · #**1596** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Independence

BETWEEN the PATH tracks? Are you kidding?
Support of the TOWER and it's base? Isn't it quite risky to place support columns >>b e t w e e n<< the subway tracks?

Just because they're called support columns doesn't mean that they
aren't necessary for the structural integrity of the tower, I suppose...?!?

What if someone detonates a bomb down there? Almost like those madmen have tried to blow the old Twins in 1993...
I don't want to start a panic, but I hope that everything will be done for not making the tower a possible target (again).

Claimed as the most secure new office tower in the USA - It would be very disturbing if it was extremely vulnerable at a place that is easy to access just by riding on a PATH train.

Let's hope not.

Oh, the tracks were MOVED to allow the foundation's holes to be dug for the support clolumns.

Don't you remember when the PATH tracks were centralized right into the underground frameworks and infrastructure of the Twins when they were being built? This will almost be like the same thing.

Pussy Willow, on the north side, it's probably dark over there heading back to New Jersey. Maybe you'd want to put your great talents to work, take a few pics there just before the train leaves Ground Zero back into the tunnel, and post them here so that we can get an idea what it looks lke over on that side.

theWatusi · #**1597** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 10:17 PM**

Awesome update P.W.

Im supprised at the amount of progress. Things are moving up!

Scruffy · #**1598** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 10:50 PM**

that far off crane is the visionaire. one of the last plots of Battery Park city. about 6 blocks from wtc

CarlosV · #**1599** Posted **Aug 14, 2007, 12:42 AM**

ATLksuGUY · #**1600** Posted **Aug 14, 2007, 9:31 PM**

What exactly am i lookin at carlos, is that a pour about to take place?????