HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > City Compilations


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1261  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 3:45 AM
citywatch citywatch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 6,705
^ Why? not everyone follows the details of various projs as closely as you do. BTW, when I check to read a new posting, I always hope it's going to have some new news or updates, pics included, that add to understanding the bigger picture. Or at least shows a little effort. And I often don't get that with one sentence postings like:

"when's it going to be built?"

"how tall is it?"

"that's nice"

"that sucks!"

"maybe a yr"

"you're a troll"

"that bldg is lame"

"10 stories tall or 11?"

"one sentence is enough. sheesh"


OTOH, I like seeing posts that contain published material for ready reference:



L.A. moves toward more N.Y.-style downtown

New ordinance will allow denser, larger residential buildings. Some worry that affordable-housing incentives won't work.

By Sharon Bernstein and David Pierson,
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
August 8, 2007

The Los Angeles City Council on Tuesday approved sweeping changes in zoning rules that allow larger and more dense developments downtown in the city's biggest effort yet to embrace urban-style planning principles. The zoning changes are similar to those in more urbanized city centers like those of New York and Chicago. But critics have pointed out that L.A. doesn't have the vast mass transit system that each of those cities has, saying the tighter zoning could result in more traffic congestion.

The new rules encourage developers to build high-rises without leaving space between the buildings, allow them to reduce the size of lobbies and other communal areas, let them build closer to sidewalks and make it legal to build extremely small units. Developers who reserve 15% of their units for low-income residents are now exempt from some open-space requirements and can make their buildings 35% larger than current zoning codes allow.

The vote is a victory for Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and others who have argued that Los Angeles needs significantly denser zoning to keep up with the rapidly rising demand for housing.

The city is in the midst of a building boom that has seen high-density housing projects rise in downtown as well as Century City, Mid-Wilshire, the Westside and pockets of the San Fernando Valley. But these projects have also sparked a backlash from some residents, who say the new housing is worsening traffic and eroding the low-rise, suburban quality that has defined much of Los Angeles for decades.

Downtown business interests and others said they hoped the ordinance would help sustain the residential boom that has helped transform downtown in the last five years, and at the same time would bring more affordable housing to an area that has seen the construction of mostly luxury units. The new rules could also push the boom farther south, because they extend the zoning past the traditional boundaries of downtown all the way to Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard, south of the 10 Freeway near Exposition Park.

"This is an important step in the continued reinvention of downtown Los Angeles," said Carol Schatz, president of the Central City Assn. "We will finally have an urban planning code similar to what you have in Portland, Seattle and New York."

Councilwoman Jan Perry, who represents much of downtown and the area south of the 10 that is included in the ordinance, said the changes would encourage developers to build more affordable units so the very poor as well as those who work downtown would be able to afford to live there. But some affordable-housing advocates were skeptical that developers would provide much affordable housing, noting that the downtown real estate market is heavily focused on luxury development.

Beth Steckler of the housing advocacy group Livable Places said the new rules give developers leeway to increase the size of projects without providing more affordable housing. "It's a giveaway to developers to build luxury housing," she said.

There is particular concern in the neighborhoods south of downtown, where some residents fear the luxury tower boom will spread and price them out of their apartments.

Lucia Carinio said she worries that after 35 years, her 82-year-old mother may one day be forced out of her $500-a-month apartment situated hard against the 110 Freeway. "That's my question: How's housing in this area going to be affected?" said Carinio, 42, looking out at the single row of pastel apartment buildings off 39th Street. "They may have no immediate plans. My fear is, without notice, developers will purchase the property. These are the last apartments in this neighborhood. We've seen a lot of change here. Most people here are elderly couples on fixed incomes."

Experts differ over how much the zoning rules on their own will boost development in downtown. There are now several dozen residential projects big and small under construction or proposed in downtown. They include high-end developments like the Frank Gehry-designed Grand Avenue complex, a scattering of mid-rise projects in Little Tokyo and even a planned 76-story tower across from Pershing Square. The Downtown L.A. Business Improvement District estimates that downtown's population could jump in the next year from 30,000 to nearly 40,000.

Some real estate experts have warned that the downtown real estate market could slow -- particularly if the region's overall housing market does. Still, planning experts said there was no doubt the City Council was sending a message with its vote Tuesday. "It's definitely a clear statement by the city that they want more urban development in the downtown zone," said Raphael Bostic, associate director of the USC Lusk Center for Real Estate.

The ordinance will most likely succeed in creating greater density downtown and along the Figueroa corridor, Bostic said. But it's unclear whether the incentives meant to entice developers to build affordable housing along with the luxury condos will work, he said. "The question is: Who's living in that development? Is it all upper- income people or to what extent are we going to mandate that there's lower-income as well?" he said.

Some people downtown cheered the prospects of more residential development -- even if it is mostly upscale. Fashion Institute of Design and Merchandising students Holley Ruiz and Sal Garcia say the residential housing boom has transformed downtown, bringing more restaurants, stores and other amenities to an area long neglected. "Like with the new Ralphs, I don't have to eat junk food anymore," said Garcia, 20, referring to the recent opening of the first chain supermarket downtown in generations. "I can eat healthy. Downtown is becoming more cultural."

Ruiz, whose stepfather lives downtown and who has been coming into the neighborhood for more than 10 years, said she enjoyed the change. "With the new buildings, there's fewer bums," she said. "It's just going to get cleaner and cleaner."

Jane Blumenfeld, principal planner for the city, said the ordinance includes safeguards designed to prevent poor downtown residents from being pushed out by new development. Under the rules, developers must replace lost housing for the very poor -- those who make less than 50% of the area's median wage -- with new units. The council also voted Tuesday to closely track the number of affordable units built by developers taking advantage of the incentives. Proposed by Councilman Ed Reyes, the study will keep count of the new affordable units and provide a report to the council.

Planners did not examine exactly how the new rules would affect already heavy traffic in and around downtown L.A. Backers argue that there is perhaps nowhere in L.A. more suited to high-density living because the area is served by the subway and two light rail lines, as well as numerous bus lines. But a study by the Southern California Assn. of Governments found that downtown residents use public transportation for less than 10% of their work, shopping and other trips. (The vast majority used their cars.)

For some of downtown's poorest residents, traffic is not as big an issue as gentrification. Linda Valverde, who lived on skid row while homeless and later had a tiny place downtown thanks to a sober-living program, said she has watched with sadness as some of the older apartment buildings and residential hotels have been refurbished for upscale residents, pushing out the poor. "I would like to be one of the working-class people who live and work downtown," she said.

Last edited by citywatch; Aug 8, 2007 at 8:20 PM.
     
     
  #1262  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 5:12 AM
Sodha Sodha is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 155
^ F*** yeah! Hopefully parking requirements got scaled back as well, to let developers have more say about how much parking they need in a building.
     
     
  #1263  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 5:20 AM
DowntownCharlieBrown's Avatar
DowntownCharlieBrown DowntownCharlieBrown is offline
Good Grief
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Downtown, Orange County, L.A.
Posts: 537
Just want to share a fun fact: In this picture that Friday took this weekend, I was standing in the exact spot on Sunday morning where the guy in the red shirt is standing when I started counting construction cranes. From that spot there are six cranes visible.


Photo Credit: fridayinla


717 flower
Concerto
Hanover
Evo
2 at LA Live.

I wonder if the Red Shirt Guy is also counting???
     
     
  #1264  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 6:38 AM
Tanster's Avatar
Tanster Tanster is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: L.A
Posts: 466
I love how that buildings is just going to pop up out of small area of land between buildings. L.A needs more projects like this. enough with the open space plazas and one litttle building in the middle.
     
     
  #1265  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 9:09 AM
LosAngelesBeauty's Avatar
LosAngelesBeauty LosAngelesBeauty is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,610
^ Well, if you read the article citywatch posted regarding the ordinance change, that is exactly what will happen. This ordinance, along with the new ability for developers to buy "under-utilized air rights," will revolutionize development in DTLA again. This is the second most significant ordinance after the Adaptive Reuse Ordinance passed in 1999. Look what that did for LA (Hollywood included). I think this will really affect South Park because it contains the most surface parking lots that are ripe for development as Downtown LA becomes such an attractive place to live.
__________________
DTLA Rising
     
     
  #1266  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 3:16 PM
lasteph lasteph is offline
Living in Downtown!!!
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy View Post
Truth! I almost want to take him up on his offer to not share anymore information with us. It's just not worth it.

I'm not necessarily gonna believe everything that I read on here at face value. There are a few people on here that have shown themselves to be reliable with inside information that has not been generally reported. Outside of that of that I'd like to see some sort of link or corroboration before I accept it as fact.
that is the truth. I understand the skeptism if I was giving insider info but I am being questioned on wheter or not the sales cntr is open, public info which anyone can find out. probably why some "newbies" refrain from sharing info because some people here live in their own bubble and think they know it all......
     
     
  #1267  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 3:49 PM
DTLA's Avatar
DTLA DTLA is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arcata, CA
Posts: 84
The new density ordinance is definitely a huge boost for downtown. With so much planned but so little of it being built or on hold, this should boost construction a lot. One of the biggest parts of the article is that they are planning on building all the way to MLK Blvd. I'm shocked that they are going to have any new projects past the Santa Monica Freeway. This signifies a general trend of high rise living far past the main downtown areas as well as a huge extension for downtown past South Park.
     
     
  #1268  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 3:53 PM
fridayinla's Avatar
fridayinla fridayinla is offline
World Citizen
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 467
Quote:
Originally Posted by lasteph View Post
that is the truth. I understand the skeptism if I was giving insider info but I am being questioned on wheter or not the sales cntr is open, public info which anyone can find out. probably why some "newbies" refrain from sharing info because some people here live in their own bubble and think they know it all......
Not everyone feels that way on this forum. We all had to start with 1 post here. Thanks for contributing!
     
     
  #1269  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 3:58 PM
k3d's Avatar
k3d k3d is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
Posts: 236
     
     
  #1270  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 4:00 PM
lasteph lasteph is offline
Living in Downtown!!!
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by fridayinla View Post
Not everyone feels that way on this forum. We all had to start with 1 post here. Thanks for contributing!
     
     
  #1271  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 4:09 PM
colemonkee's Avatar
colemonkee colemonkee is offline
Ridin' into the sunset
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 9,287
k3d, great shot. 2 years from now that view will be dramatically different (and better, imo).

citywatch, you have entirely too much time on your hands. If you took half the energy you spend worrying about which projects are going to fail or succeed, and directed it toward some sort of tangible, constructive effort, you would be much healthier and happier. Not that I don't appreciate your comments here, I do. Just try to balance them out, with, you know, something else.
__________________
"Then each time Fleetwood would be not so much overcome by remorse as bedazzled at having been shown the secret backlands of wealth, and how sooner or later it depended on some act of murder, seldom limited to once."

Against the Day, Thomas Pynchon
     
     
  #1272  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 6:47 PM
JDRCRASH JDRCRASH is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Gabriel Valley
Posts: 8,099
Well this new ordinance will clearly propel development in Downtown even further.
__________________
Revelation 21:4
     
     
  #1273  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 8:27 PM
citywatch citywatch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 6,705
Quote:
Originally Posted by colemonkee View Post
If you took half the energy you spend worrying about which projects are going to fail or succeed, and directed it toward some sort of tangible, constructive effort, you would be much healthier and happier.

hey, that's like saying ppl who are too much into, say, a mystery novel or into the finer details of some hobby of theirs are spending too much of their energy on it, or would be healthier & happier dealing with other things. I say that being able to confirm good news or verify positive change is what makes discussions & postings here worthwhile.
     
     
  #1274  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 8:27 PM
k3d's Avatar
k3d k3d is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
Posts: 236
Quote:
Originally Posted by colemonkee View Post
k3d, great shot. 2 years from now that view will be dramatically different (and better, imo).
Thanks, yes I'm enjoying the show from my front row seat.
     
     
  #1275  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 8:30 PM
blogdowntown blogdowntown is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by DowntownCharlieBrown View Post
Just want to share a fun fact: In this picture that Friday took this weekend, I was standing in the exact spot on Sunday morning where the guy in the red shirt is standing when I started counting construction cranes. From that spot there are six cranes visible.
This shot I took Friday shows five of those cranes. It doesn't get the one at Evo.

__________________
blogdowntown -- http://blogdowntown.com
     
     
  #1276  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 8:37 PM
citywatch citywatch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 6,705
Quote:
Originally Posted by lasteph View Post
because some people here live in their own bubble and think they know it all......

If that's directed at me, I wish I were able to "know it all". That way I'd have a definitive answer as to the source of the comment that "unofficial count shows about half the units "sold"". That's big news about parkfifth, & news that's potentially very good. As such, it's a carrot dangling at the end of a stick, so I'm naturally gonna want to see where it leads. IOW, 50% of the 1st phase (of maybe 50 units?), 50% of 1/2 the proj, or 50% of all 700+ units in the tower?
     
     
  #1277  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 8:43 PM
k3d's Avatar
k3d k3d is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
Posts: 236
Quote:
Originally Posted by citywatch View Post
[/b]
hey, that's like saying ppl who are too much into, say, a mystery novel or into the finer details of some hobby of theirs are spending too much of their energy on it, or would be healthier & happier dealing with other things. I say that being able to confirm good news or verify positive change is what makes discussions & postings here worthwhile.
Yes, I think everyone here should just stay how they are, be what they want, criticize what they want, flame if they want, even lie if the have to. It's an online forum. If it gets "out of line" I guess that is what moderators are for. If I didn't enjoy the type of post here I guess I would get board and not frequent the forum. When I see first see a Citywatch post I expect a Citywatch comment. It wouldn't be the same here without it. lasteph has created his own persona, so be it.
     
     
  #1278  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 8:53 PM
JDRCRASH JDRCRASH is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Gabriel Valley
Posts: 8,099
Half of the units in Park Fifth are sold?
Thats definately good news!
__________________
Revelation 21:4
     
     
  #1279  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 8:53 PM
BrandonJXN's Avatar
BrandonJXN BrandonJXN is offline
Ascension
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Riverside, California
Posts: 5,419
Quote:
Originally Posted by citywatch View Post
[/b]
hey, that's like saying ppl who are too much into, say, a mystery novel or into the finer details of some hobby of theirs are spending too much of their energy on it, or would be healthier & happier dealing with other things. I say that being able to confirm good news or verify positive change is what makes discussions & postings here worthwhile.
You, like everyone else here is excitied by all the development in DTLA. HOWEVER, personally, I get tired of reading a post of yours. Even when you are positive, you are negative. It's a huge downer when you post about how unlikely a building will be built. You can't expect every building to be built ON TIME no less.

But your smart and you know what you are talking about..I guess.

And use a new smiley. First it was this: . Then: . Try this from now on: :babyeat:
__________________
Washed Out
     
     
  #1280  
Old Posted Aug 8, 2007, 9:02 PM
colemonkee's Avatar
colemonkee colemonkee is offline
Ridin' into the sunset
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 9,287
Quote:
Originally Posted by blogdowntown View Post
This shot I took Friday shows five of those cranes. It doesn't get the one at Evo.

Eric, as always, great photo!
__________________
"Then each time Fleetwood would be not so much overcome by remorse as bedazzled at having been shown the secret backlands of wealth, and how sooner or later it depended on some act of murder, seldom limited to once."

Against the Day, Thomas Pynchon
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > City Compilations
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 3:10 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.