CHICAGO | Boom rundown - everything over 12 floors. v5

[the urban politician]

^ I tend to agree that SOAR has been far more reasonable than other "NIMBY" groups in the city. It's reasonable to expect at least a few renderings/site plans, etc before jumping on the bandwagon with this thing.

Children's Memorial really seems to be acting strangely.

But then again, I think Streeterville residents need to put a cork on their complaints about ambulances and helicopters and be a bit reasonable. No goddamn hospital like this won't have ambulances and choppers--get a friggin brain, people.

[SlatsGrobnik]

All right, I tried this earlier, and my posting got buried after a number of photos got posted. So let's try again. What does anyone know about the details or viability of any of the following supposed Supertalls (beyond what had appeared in the press)?

Pandemonious Mystery Tower?

Michigan & Roosevelt -- One or two towers?

Franklin Point – 80+ Stories, Rokas Int’l. & Frankel & Giles, Adrian Smith & Gordon Gill?

Wolf Point – 89 Stories, Kennedys, Hines, & Habitat Co. 89 Floors, Cesar Pelli?

Carley - 70+ Stories? Illinois & Columbus? Is this now The Peshtigo?

Lake & Canal? Is this now 200 N. Riverside?

Trump II?

Kelleher II?

[the urban politician]

^ I find the Kelleher II by far the most intriguing. If there is any truth to this at all, then Kelleher is either incredibly confident or incredibly insane

[spyguy]

Originally Posted by SlatsGrobnik

Carley - 70+ Stories? Illinois & Columbus? Is this now The Peshtigo?

Peshtigo is a different project on LSD across from Lake Point Tower.

[honte]

- Michigan & Roosevelt -- One or two towers?

I would guess that this is only going to be one supertall, if any. We already know what OMP3 is shaping up to be. I don't think they have room for that + 2 more towers.

- Carley

Since there appears to be that hotel deal in the works, hopefully at least Carley will own the land he's investing time and money into this time...

- Lake & Canal? Is this now 200 N. Riverside?

Probably. I've never heard of this supertall before. But Medici is southeast of there, and we know that's not going to be supertall. I can't think of any other land in play in that area, other than 200 N. Riverside.

- Trump II?

I doubt we'll see much from Trump for a while, since his units are not moving rapidly at the moment. I agree with another forumer that there will be a lot of activity at Trump 1 once the units are finished - all of the pre-construction buyers for that project are probably already in.

- Kelleher II?

I say, let's let him get the first one up in the air before we start getting hot about the next one, damnit! But it's fun to dream, and personally I hope the market makes him even more filthy rich on CS, as a reward for his faith in Chicago and ability to think on a grand scale - leading to a second one, of course.


- Franklin Point + Wolf Point

I think these are our next supertalls, folks. They have powerful players behind them, killer sites (great views + river + one foot in the Loop and one foot in the 'hood), and I think the developers are in it for the long haul. It might take a while, but they can afford to sit out some market cycles if necessary.

[Dolemite]

Originally Posted by honte

- Michigan & Roosevelt -- One or two towers?

I would guess that this is only going to be one, if any, supertalls. We already know what OMP3 is shaping up to be. I don't think they have room for that + 2 more towers.

- Carley

Since there appears to be that hotel deal in the works, hopefully at least Carley will own the land he's investing time and money into this time...

- Lake & Canal? Is this now 200 N. Riverside?

Probably. I've never heard of this supertall before. But Medici is southeast of there, and we know that's not going to be supertall. I can't think of any other land in play in that area, other than 200 N. Riverside.

- Trump II?

I doubt we'll see much from Trump for a while, since his units are not moving rapidly at the moment. I agree with another forumer that there will be a lot of activity at Trump 1 once the units are finished - all of the pre-construction buyers for that project are probably already in.

- Kelleher II?

I say, let's let him get the first one up in the air before we start getting hot about the next one, damnit! But it's fun to dream, and personally I hope the market makes him even more filthy rich on CS, as a reward for his faith in Chicago and ability to think on a grand scale - leading to a second one, of course.


- Franklin Point + Wolf Point

I think these are our next supertalls, folks. They have powerful players behind them, killer sites (great views + river + one foot in the Loop and one foot in the 'hood), and I think the developers are in it for the long haul. It might take a while, but they can afford to sit out some market cycles if necessary.

Anyone have any details/renders of Franklin Point? I tried a search a few days ago, but turned up nothing. Whats the story?

[BVictor1]

Originally Posted by honte

^ Well, I think if the hospital hasn't even had the decency to show them the proposal, they have a legitimate reason to ask for a delay in approval, don't you? I would at least want to have a decent discussion about the whole story, not just a few bits of information here and there.

Did we forget the fact that Children's Memorial did show this proposal to the community? Several weeks ago at Northwestern University. I was there along with several other hundred people.

Several different preliminary renderings were shown. I have shots of these renderings that I never posted. I will do so tomorrow.

[Busy Bee]

Speaking of killer sites... I'm just going to throw this out there to see what people think...

How feasible do you think it is to redevelop the Equitable Building on Michigan? Aside from Daley plaza, this IS our public plaza. But the plaza could be greatly improved for the site and the existing SOM designed building is a dog and does the prime site absolutely no justice. I envision something in the 700-1000 foot range with several setbacks that would be designed to compliment the Trib Tower and Wrigley to the furthest extent. If I had a cool billion and wanted to make a huge mark on Chicago and the tony Boul Mich in particular, this is where I'd spend it.

Thoughts?

[SamInTheLoop]

Originally Posted by BVictor1

Did we forget the fact that Children's Memorial did show this proposal to the community? Several weeks ago at Northwestern University. I was there along with several other hundred people.

Several different preliminary renderings were shown. I have shots of these renderings that I never posted. I will do so tomorrow.

Looking forward to seeing them (although I can't say I have terribly high expectations). I guess I, like others, was falsely under the impression that they hadn't shown complete building renderings yet...

[SamInTheLoop]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Speaking of killer sites... I'm just going to throw this out there to see what people think...

How feasible do you think it is to redevelop the Equitable Building on Michigan? Aside from Daley plaza, this IS our public plaza. But the plaza could be greatly improved for the site and the existing SOM designed building is a dog and does the prime site absolutely no justice. I envision something in the 700-1000 foot range with several setbacks that would be designed to compliment the Trib Tower and Wrigley to the furthest extent. If I had a cool billion and wanted to make a huge mark on Chicago and the tony Boul Mich in particular, this is where I'd spend it.

Thoughts?

Strictly from an economic standpoint, I would say not very feasible. The building is viable, creating enough income while there are so many other sites around downtown that are empty or tremendously underutilized... I would say land and building prices in Chicago are for the most part not high enough to justify this type of redevelopment...

[Norsider]

Originally Posted by Pandemonious

Why are you so opposed to this development? It brings a lot of retail, a descent sized highrise, and I could definitely imagine much worse architecture for a movie theater (something that pretty much requires blank walls). The parking will be in a garage for sure, and the building fronts the street pretty well. Also, I think the facade we are seeing in that render faces the highway, no?

The project may not be an architectural revolution, but to say you would rather have a parking lot there is just ridiculous. The west side needs all the help it can get to increase vibrancy. This will have movie theater, gym, grocery store, retail, and restaurants according to the original plan.

As for the location. It says Jackson and Aberdeen.. it replaces the former Fannie May candy factory. That part of the west loop is especially desolate, even given its proximity to UIC. The sundance theater will definitely be able to gain lots of customers from the university... and as such I think it is a great spot for it.

Density is the prime mover of everything urban and vertical. The denser Chicago gets, the more talls and supertalls we'll see. It's really that simple. Opposing this project because it looks a bit cheesy is a bit antithetical to how we'd all like Chicago to develop.

[honte]

Originally Posted by BVictor1

Did we forget the fact that Children's Memorial did show this proposal to the community? Several weeks ago at Northwestern University. I was there along with several other hundred people.

Sorry, I didn't know about any meeting where they gave those details. I was going on what the article said - Crain's is usually pretty accurate.

[Alliance]

Originally Posted by Chicago Shawn

A personal request to Mr. David Hovey, please bring your brilliant talents to Downtown Chicago And give us another instant landmark like this project in Skokie.

I totally agree. Never seen it in person, but its a great building

Its good to hear that brown glass has been dropped for the spire. Was it mentioned if the clear glass would be mirrored...at all?

I'm still waiting for new renderings of that, especially if Calatrave takes off with the new emphasis of the chamferred corners. That means the new building will definately have a different top.

Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ I find the Kelleher II by far the most intriguing. If there is any truth to this at all, then Kelleher is either incredibly confident or incredibly insane

By far insane. I can see him planning the project, but since he's already backing 30% of the Spire...he better damn well make sure he has money before he teases us with CS II. Of course...he should stay in Chicago...forever.

[Crazy Ivan]

Steely, Whats the possibility of getting a "Rumored" section on the front page? I've heard of a number of proposals that I'm starting to lose track of:

1.) Wolf Point
2.) A 2nd Kelleher development ~ 2,000'
3.) Wasn't there a rumored development over by Sears Tower?

It can be hard to distinguish whats an actual project, but some of these seem to actually have merit. Its similar in concept I guess to Wallstreet's "whisper numbers".

[Pandemonious]

^^Are you talking about the parking lot on the south side of 311 S Wacker's block, or the possible rumored building that could replace the old skyscraper just North of Sears that was recently sold? Or.. are you talking about the Smith/Gill Towers slotted for just north of River City? LOL, I love how we have so many gigantic projects planned it is even hard to follow.

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Speaking of killer sites... I'm just going to throw this out there to see what people think...

How feasible do you think it is to redevelop the Equitable Building on Michigan? Aside from Daley plaza, this IS our public plaza. But the plaza could be greatly improved for the site and the existing SOM designed building is a dog and does the prime site absolutely no justice. I envision something in the 700-1000 foot range with several setbacks that would be designed to compliment the Trib Tower and Wrigley to the furthest extent. If I had a cool billion and wanted to make a huge mark on Chicago and the tony Boul Mich in particular, this is where I'd spend it.

Thoughts?

I agree that it is a killer site, but I like the Equitable Building and would completely oppose tearing it down. For very early 60's the facade still looks quite nice. It reminds me of an earlier version of Harris Bank Addition 2 (one of my favorite boxes in Chicago, built nearly a decade later)... I also am not sure I would want to see another Supertall directly next to the all the historic buildings right there. Trump got rid of a huge eye-sore, so we will let his slide.

If anything, new development needs to overtake the blocks and blocks of parking lots that really disenchant large swaths of the city just a few blocks east and slightly north of Equitable. Ideally, after the Spire is built, many of those lots will fill in with 400'-800' tall buildings, and maybe a Supertall in front of or behind NBC tower.

[10023]

Originally Posted by Alliance

Its good to hear that brown glass has been dropped for the spire. Was it mentioned if the clear glass would be mirrored...at all?

I say it shouldn't be. At most make it like Jahn's new building, certainly not anything very reflective. That way we can stop arguing about whether the building should be blue or green or brown or purple or whatever. Just need to have the condo association set some rules about peoples' curtains.

[spyguy]

SoNo project lands construction loan to start highrise

By Eddie Baeb
Aug. 08, 2007

A joint venture between Crate & Barrel chief Gordon Segal, developer Bill Smith and retail broker Stanley Nitzberg obtained a $56 million construction loan for the SoNo condo development near the Clybourn Corridor.

Foundation work on the first of two proposed 27-story towers is getting underway this week at 860 W. Blackhawk St., just west of Halsted Avenue and south of North Avenue – the latter being the inspiration for the New York-esq moniker, SoNo.

http://chicagorealestatedaily.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=25951

[spyguy]

Tower plan comes up short in Evanston

August 8, 2007
DAVID ROEDER

POWERING UP: Now that William Blair & Co. LLC has settled on its next office space, look for Sargent & Lundy LLC, consultants to the power industry, to be the next coveted tenant in the downtown market. The company said it has hired Studley Inc. to represent it as it looks at its lease options. One insider said Sargent & Lundy could be in the market for a whopping 500,000 square feet.

[Alliance]

Originally Posted by Crazy Ivan

Steely, Whats the possibility of getting a "Rumored" section on the front page? I've heard of a number of proposals that I'm starting to lose track of:

1.) Wolf Point
2.) A 2nd Kelleher development ~ 2,000'
3.) Wasn't there a rumored development over by Sears Tower?

It can be hard to distinguish whats an actual project, but some of these seem to actually have merit. Its similar in concept I guess to Wallstreet's "whisper numbers".

1) Wolf Point is in the works, a 3 skycraper developed anchored by a 89 story res-hotel building designed by Cesar Pelli.

2) A 2nd Kelleher Development is real BS right now.

3) Thats really vague. There has been speculation about a developement North of Sears and near River City.

I think a "Rumored Section" is a horrible idea and sets bad precedents for other threads in the forum. Best to actually stick with proposals and take them as they come.

[a chicago bearcat]

Originally Posted by BVictor1

Did we forget the fact that Children's Memorial did show this proposal to the community? Several weeks ago at Northwestern University. I was there along with several other hundred people.

Several different preliminary renderings were shown. I have shots of these renderings that I never posted. I will do so tomorrow.

I thought that had happened, but was not too confident in my memory