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Old Posted Aug 5, 2007, 9:05 PM
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Ever since I was a kid growing up in LA in the late 70's, The Tower has been my favorite. I was raised in El Monte and along with my kid brother,my parents would do a monthly trip to downtown via R.T.D. I even remember RTD using the old red car station in El Monte for it's terminus at the end of it's San Bernardino Fwy Busway that connected EM to downtown.

Once we got off near Olympic/Broadway, we would walk north on Broadway and pass by The Tower. We would then get some grub and go to The Million Dollar Theatre and Watch a first run Mexican movie followed by a variety show featuring singers and sometimes actors from the feature film. It was a big shin dig and production. Ever since then I have always talked to my fellow angelenos about downtwon but they would think I was crazy. To them downtown was an awful/ugly/dirty place to be at. 30 yrs later I am enjoying the fruition of my craziness about downtown.

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Old Posted Aug 5, 2007, 9:11 PM
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Its nice to see that the city finally took action against Palmer and stopped him from building more of those ugly ass sprawling suburban apartment complex, talking about the Orsini. One city official called it "Italian Renaissance fortress-like building," i drive by there everyday and man its just not good with the surrounding neighborhood, its like being in a city then you drive by them and it feel like you no longer in the city, as if you were driving on some street in the burbs. I completely agree and i am glad they have stopped him its just plain fugly. I just hope he doesn't come up with something and continue building.

These Building do not belong in downtown or even any parts of the city. Maybe beverly hills or the valley. Its an eye sore and they are only 5 stories and the view they get is the 101 freeway LOL , the people that live there will step out of their balcony and breath in all the exhaust from the cars during rush hour hum really nice. The 5th story is like eye level to the freeway.

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CRA Rejects Orsini III

Luxury 210-Apartment Project Fails to Gain Land-Use Approval

by Evan George

Officials at the Community Redevelopment Agency halted the spread of the Italian Renaissance in Downtown's housing market last Thursday, when they denied an approval to the controversial developer behind the villa-styled Orsini, Medici and Visconti apartments.

The CRA board of commissioners, voting 3-3, failed to grant a discretionary land use approval needed for the Orsini III project to move forward.

Opponents called the design distasteful and said the project posed more harm than benefit to the nearby Chinatown community. Some cited distrust of the developer, who has butted heads with the city over affordable housing requirements in the past.

G.H. Palmer Associates had plans to convert the northeast corner of Figueroa Street and Cesar Chavez Avenue into an eight-story complex of 210 luxury apartments. It would have left only one corner of the intersection untouched by Palmer's trademark architecture of slanted brick parking levels, palm lined terraces and faux marble courtyards.

"I feel very strongly that we would be better served with a commercial building... than another Italian Renaissance fortress-like building," said Madeline Janis, vice chair of the board.

Commissioner John Pérez, also opposed, said, "These are not projects that relate well to the surrounding community."


Some in attendance disagreed with the decision.

"The fact is, we may have to wait another 20 years for another investment opportunity," said George Yu, executive director of the Chinatown Business Improvement District. Yu said that "economic balance" in the form of market-rate housing is needed to bring more business dollars to Chinatown. A handful of other Chinatown residents read statements of support.

Although Palmer was not seeking funding assistance from the agency, the CRA board must approve any change in land use since it falls within the Chinatown redevelopment area. Currently the parcel, which includes a vacant lot and a popular barbecue restaurant, is zoned for commercial use.

"This highlights a philosophical issue that we still have on this board that we haven't resolved," said Board Chairman William Jackson, referring to whether the agency should demand public benefit packages from developers even when no CRA money is involved.

Commissioners emphasized that they could grant approval on such cases "as deemed necessary" but couldn't require that the developer negotiate. Peter Novak, vice president of G.H. Palmer, declined to comment.

Still, one commissioner entreated the developer to consider adding features such as an affordable housing element, living wage or local hire programs to give them a reason to reconsider.

"See what makes sense," said Commissioner Bruce Ackerman. "See what makes sense to your bottom line, and come back."

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Old Posted Aug 6, 2007, 1:04 AM
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You know what would be neat is if we could tear down that California Market Center.
And then we could run Spring st. to Los Angeles st. next to eachother
We would have ourselves a Times Square double street style intersection.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2007, 1:59 AM
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Downtown Construction Photo Update

All photos taken Saturday Aug 4th.

717 Ninth - Scaffolding has been erected over the sidewalk



Concerto


717 Olympic


LA Live/Nokia Theater/Convention Center Expansion








LA Central Site - I'm not sure what's going on here, but I don't think the towers are prepping for construction yet.





Evo - New vantage point


Herald Examiner Site - Press Bldg Demo is Complete


912 South Hill Street
- This historic building on SE corner of Hill & 9th has new scaffolding up. Anyone have the scoop?



Park being expanded adjacent to Pershing Square Metro Stop, 4th Street Exit
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2007, 2:18 AM
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Things seem to be moving along just fine with the exception of Hanover. When it began construction it was moving swiftly. Then it just got slower and slower as time progressed. I bet it will still be sporting its green tarp by the time Evo tops out.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2007, 2:46 AM
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^All the work has moved to the inside of the tower. The green tarp will probably be there for several more months.
     
     
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Thanks, Friday! I'm interested to know what's going on at LA Central. Per the Downtown News, construction is supposed to start in "late 2007."
     
     
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Orsini Failed Review? I have never posted a string of bananas ever on this site, but this deserves:

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Old Posted Aug 6, 2007, 4:24 AM
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Thanks for the update Friday. I bet that the tarp over Hanover comes off sooner rather than later. Now that the building is essentially structurally complete there's not much reason to keep the tarp.
     
     
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Hanover STILL has that big turquoise veil of uglyness?
Sheesh, whats taking so long in the interior?!

I'm sure that the tape on the L.A. Central site probably has something to do with the groundbreaking. Maybe their getting rid of possible hazards.
BTW, is the tower going to be bumped up to 55 stories instead of 48 as some developers wanted?
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2007, 6:26 AM
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Great update, Friday. The building at 9th and Hill (with the scaffolding) is actually a parking garage, and according to my old neighbor who now lives in the Eastern Columbia across the street, it's going to remain parking to support the building on the SW corner of 9th and Broadway, which is undergoing residential conversion, as well as a public garage. Ground floor will continue to be retail though.

Hanover Tower isn't supposed to open until 2008, so I wouldn't hold your breath on the tarp coming off anytime soon.
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It appears that the ESPN building will have a similar facade to the Nokia. That's too bad, for I was hoping for a little more individuality. But I'll wait for the final product before I fully criticize the design.

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^ Remember that signage will play a significant role in the design of all the LA Live buildings, so by that very nature, they will look somewhat different. Although under the advertising "skin", they carry the same family of design elements in the renders.

Friday, great new angle of Evo. Were you in the Palm parking garage at 11th and Hope when you took that?
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Friday, great new angle of Evo. Were you in the Palm parking garage at 11th and Hope when you took that?
Yeah, but I'm afraid to go back because I almost got locked on the roof.
     
     
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The Tower Theater looks remarkable now. These were taken this afternoon.
Fantastic! I wonder what those 5 insets on the top of the north side of the bldg are all about, & whether they'll be cleaned up too?



First time I've ever really noticed the statuary above the windows. Very few bldgs anywhere in LA are as elaborate as that. That's why the ppl in the Chapman lofts across the street will have a view that almost no one else, anywhere in SoCa, can duplicate. There are some classic old bldgs in hoods like Pasadena, or around Bev Hills, but nothing like what's found in DTLA. So while ppl in parts of the the OBD won't get the ocean views that ppl have in SaMo or manhattan bch, they'll get other sights unique to their part of town.

BTW, I notice the west side of the clock is damaged. I like to think the owner is going to replace the glass or whatever the original facing was made of:


retro traveler at flickr.com

However, LAB's description of the person he spoke with who represents the owner doesn't make me too confident the owner is gonna want to spend 1 cent more than he has to on the theater.
     
     
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I just walked by 5th & Olive at 8 pm and they just put up a huge ad for Park 5th on the street corner. It looks awesome. "Downtown is looking up" is the theme.

very interesting. I hope that offsets the devlpr's delay in opening parkfifth's sales ctr. This is one proj that I consider mandatory, partly because the gap it will fill in is so huge, & because that part of DT, which right now is getting new blood only because of conversion & renovation work, also needs improvement that's totally new from the ground up.
     
     
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LA Central Site - I'm not sure what's going on here, but I don't think the towers are prepping for construction yet.
I think most ppl jump the gun when it comes to believing some minor change signals the start of something big. But when it comes to the work taking place on that parking lot, I can't think of any other reason why any sq foot of it would be altered unless something major was being planned shortly for it. IOW, why tamper with a parking lot that is in perfectly good shape, esp with its landscaping, if it's going to remain a parking lot for several more months?


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This historic building on SE corner of Hill & 9th has new scaffolding up. Anyone have the scoop?
That's definitely one case where a parking structure, which that bldg must have been converted to some time ago, is preferable to a surface lot. The scaffolding makes me look closer at the bldg & makes me realize how much old time detail is on its exterior.
     
     
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I just walked by 5th & Olive at 8 pm and they just put up a huge ad for Park 5th on the street corner. It looks awesome. "Downtown is looking up" is the theme. Whoever this developer is, this person cares about downtown. Check it out! Hopefully this becomes a reality!
I looked for that when I was downtown and didn't find it. There was a big wooden billboard that was blank. I figured that they must have already taken the ad down or I somehow completely missed it.
     
     
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i drive by there everyday and man its just not good with the surrounding neighborhood, its like being in a city then you drive by them and it feel like you no longer in the city

yea, right now it's like you're in Barstow




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These Building do not belong in downtown or even any parts of the city. Maybe beverly hills or the valley.
I wish more ppl saw & judged things the way you do. Maybe then so many of them wouldn't diss LA, esp DT. That's cuz I think most ppl write off the hood not because its new bldgs are too short or too burban like, or too much like what you'd find in BH or the SFV. No, I bet they respond that way cuz too much of the hood to them is awful, ugly & dirty, like a dive you'd find in Barstow, or cleveland, or definitely motown.

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Ever since then I have always talked to my fellow angelenos about downtwon but they would think I was crazy. To them downtown was an awful/ugly/dirty place to be at.


And you better be prepared to be disappointed in upcoming yrs. That's cuz, like it or not, projs like the orsini----cheesy & boring though they may be----are more likely to pencil out & reach the groundbreaking stage. By comparison, bigger, highrise devlpt isn't as appealing to as many potential buyers or renters, because they generally cost more $$ to buy into or rent space in. Also, the mentality of a lot more ppl in LA & So CA tends to be less oriented towards the heavy highrise type of hoods you'll find all over NYC. Even SF, on the west coast, is popular with a lot of ppl partly because all its lowrise wood framed areas offer views of things like the bay & the golden gate bridge.
     
     
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That's definitely one case where a parking structure, which that bldg must have been converted to some time ago, is preferable to a surface lot. The scaffolding makes me look closer at the bldg & makes me realize how much old time detail is on its exterior.
That's actually always been a parking garage for the May Company building. It was announced in 1926 and projected to cost $500,000.

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