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Old Posted Jun 13, 2007, 5:28 PM
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^^^I know you have lots of seniors and I know you have lots of condo towers (I live in one not so far away). But if they weren't enough to keep the Bell market in business . . . . That surprised me, by the way, but we have to recognize the reality. Frankly, I don't care one way or the other--I don't live close enough that that site, "dollar store" or empty or whatever happens to it will affect me (unless they put in a Target). And they know their business so maybe it'll be a roaring success (if the neighbors let it happen). I used to hike the 5 blocks to shop at Bell but probably not at this. Their stock will probably be too much like Walgreen's and we've both already got one of those close by.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2007, 5:41 PM
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Former Good Guys location?

Anyone know who's destined for the former Good Guys location on Van Ness (near Bush, I think)? Serious remodeling work going on inside for past month or so.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2007, 5:17 AM
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Trader Joe's already has advancing plans for a store two and a half blocks away at Sutter and Van Ness (ground floor of the building planned to replace the Galaxy Theater). I do wonder whether they considered changing plans when the Bell location became available but the location right on Van Ness will be more prominent (and good for the Van Ness corridor). Also, their stores are usually smaller than regular supermarkets and that space is regular supermarket sized.
Yes, I was aware about Trader Joe's at Van Ness and Sutter, it's just too bad that they didn't deem this location feasible. You're probably right that it is too large. Looking at the bigger picture though, we seem to be well on our way to a grocery store/supermarket shortage in the City. Has anyone heard of plans to replace the Cala at Hyde and California with a condo development? I've heard rumors about it but don't know anything. Then there are the other Bell/Cala markets that have closed or will close plus the closed Albertsons stores. It was shocking to see their beautiful almost new store out at the end of Clement sitting closed and fenced off. Fortunately, Delano's IGA took over the Cala in the Castro. We need supermarkets here and they may be going the way of so many of our gas stations over the years. Not everyone can afford to shop at Whole Foods, Molly Stones, Andronico's and other premium markets. The closing and demolition of scores of gas stations is sited as one reason that San Francisco has perpetually high gas prices. There was an editorial regarding that in the Business Times this week.

That having been said, I still personally feel that a 99 Cents Only store is a degrading replacement for the Bell Market that was formerly in The Sutterfield. It's something that belongs in a place like Concord, not here. I'm not a retail snob (I shop at Mervyn's and will be happy to see a Target downtown), but think about this.

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Old Posted Jun 14, 2007, 3:27 PM
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I live near the proposed 99 Cent store too and I'm against it. There has to be another grocery store company that can make a go of this location. These days I mostly shop at the Webster street Safeway,since it is so convenient to me. I've e-mailed Safeway a few times to see when and if they plan on remodeling this Safeway to their new "lifestyle" store layout. I've never heard back from them. This Safeway definitely needs a major remodel
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2007, 4:33 PM
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^^^It also needs better security. I've been threatened and harrassed both in the store and in the parking lot. I only go there at times I think the store won't be busy and I only need a few fast items. Otherwise, I go further to the Market St. store.

Consider the challenges of running a supermarket in SF. It's a low margin business anyway. But in SF you have to constantly replace your expensive carts, the minimum wage is near the highest anywhere plus all the new laws about sick leave and benefits. Safeway, which is union and local (HQ in the East Bay), and Whole Foods (which charges enough to cover the costs) may be the only large chains willing to bother.

But long ago when they opened the Webster store, Safeway made clear it was an experiment and, more or less, a gift to the neighborhood where no other company wanted to operate. I wouldn't bet on their wanting to pump more money into it although, I suppose, if they plan on eventually renovating all their stores they'll someday get around to this one.

Re a 99 cent store--I think they belong in SF, just not that location. For reasons I've said, I don't even see why they want it. They should find a spot on Mission St. or maybe Polk or Clement or somewhere in the Sunset.

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Old Posted Jun 14, 2007, 5:49 PM
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Re a 99 cent store--I think they belong in SF, just not that location. For reasons I've said, I don't even see why they want it.
They view seniors as a great, curently underserved, client base.
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Chinese luxury store seeks San Francisco footprint

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Shanghai Tang, one of Hong Kong's most cutting-edge stores, is looking to make a big splash in the United States. The firm has tapped GVA Kidder Mathews' Skip Whitney and Sheldon Pont to find the swankiest retail space the West has to offer.

The Kidder Mathews team has landed a deal at the Forum Shops at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas and are searching for locations in Los Angeles and San Francisco.

The chain bills itself as the "first global Chinese lifestyle brand" that interweaves "traditional Chinese culture with the dynamism of the 21st century." Shanghai Tang was founded in 1994 by Hong Kong businessman David Tang Wing-Cheung. Its flagship store in central Hong Kong attracts 4 million visitors a year. Shanghai Tang has three stores in Hong Kong, three in Shanghai, one on Madison Avenue in New York and stores in Singapore, Beijing, Zurich, Dubai, and Tokyo.
Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci...wscolumn1.html

Take that, Chicago! Miami! Houston! Etc!

"What do they sell?" you may well ask. See http://www.shanghaitang.com/shanghaitang/index.jsp
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2007, 11:01 PM
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They (99 Cent Store) view seniors as a great, curently underserved, client base.
And well they should. In retirement communities of both Florida (where my family lives) and Arizona (where I have a second home) stores like this do a booming business. But I still question whether there are enough seniors or any other type of folks around that location--and it's not likely to attract people from much of a distance--to support a store that size. But, hey, they are the business men, so we'll see.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2007, 2:03 AM
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Its flagship store in central Hong Kong attracts 4 million visitors a year.
I remember dropping into that store when I was in HK in 2004. It's a very cool store and is the only major couture brand with a Chinese influence I can think of. Seems like a no-brainer for them to be here.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2007, 2:21 AM
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But, hey, they are the business men, so we'll see.
No, we won't. The Redevelopment Agency did not receive a favorable recommendation from the Planning Commission (I understand the Planning Commission didn't issue any recommendation), and accordingly, the Redevelopment Agency denied the store's permit.

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2007, 4:17 AM
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^^^Good, because along with the abandoned Albertson store on Clement, these seem to me to be great opportunities for:

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Tesco Studies Hard for U.S. Debut
CEO Leahy Sends Teams To Observe How Americans Shop,
See What's in Their Fridges
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June 28, 2007; Page B1

LONDON -- The chief executive of Tesco PLC, Terry Leahy, runs a retail chain that's twice the size of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in the United Kingdom. And this fall, even though the U.S. is considered over-crowded with stores, Mr. Leahy plans to expand into Wal-Mart's home turf.

Mr. Leahy has studied how Americans shop, and he is hoping his new design for smaller stores with fresher food will differentiate his stores from competitors'. To develop his model, he sent Tesco teams to live with American families. One finding: Americans visit many stores; they're not one-stop shoppers after all.

Knowing customers is a big part of the way Mr. Leahy runs Tesco, the world's third-largest grocery retailer by sales after Wal-Mart and Carrefour SA of France. An unassuming, 51-year-old with an accent colored by his hometown of Liverpool, Mr. Leahy still likes sitting on customer panels and making unannounced store visits.

Mr. Leahy made his mark at Tesco by inventing Clubcard, a much copied loyalty program that gives shoppers points for buying at Tesco -- and gives Tesco valuable information on shoppers' habits and tastes. In his 10 years as CEO, Tesco has grown into Britain's biggest food retailer, with a market share that now dwarfs that of its nearest competitor, Wal-Mart's Asda chain. Its $84.9 billion in annual sales comes from five different types of stores, from small convenience shops to large superstores selling everything from baked beans to bicycles.

Mr. Leahy says the different store sizes were necessary to meet Britain's tough zoning laws. That flexibility, he says, now helps the retailer in foreign countries. In the U.S., Tesco will open only 10,000-square-foot stores, which are smaller than typical U.S. supermarkets but bigger than U.S. convenience stores.


Over tea on the shop floor, Mr. Leahy sat down with The Wall Street Journal to discuss how Tesco will woo U.S. shoppers, how retailers can expand globally, and how to make shoppers buy low-energy light bulbs.

The Wall Street Journal: Why is Tesco setting up shop in the U.S.? Aren't there enough grocery stores already?

Mr. Leahy: There is no shortage of stores. But it is a place that rewards innovative retailers, so if you do something different, you get rewarded for it. Retailing returns in America are quite good by international standards.

WSJ: Why didn't you just buy an American supermarket chain?

Mr. Leahy: We didn't want to buy an existing business because what's the point of going to America and just doing the same as everybody else? There is already so much retail there. So what we tried to do is turn a weakness we had -- that we had no presence in America -- into an advantage: We can research and design the perfect store for the American consumer in the 21st century.

Our team went over to live in the U.S. We stayed in people's homes. We went through their fridges. We did all our research, and we're good at research.

WSJ: What did you find out?

Mr. Leahy: Americans shop in more stores than, for example, the British shopper. No one store gives them everything they want. You would think it is the home of the one-stop shop but it's not. I think they feel the one-stop shop -- the big-box retailer -- doesn't quite do it on the food quality, the fresh food. Whereas here, more people are content to do their whole food shopping in one place.

WSJ: You have been very secretive about the prototype for your American stores.

Mr. Leahy: We built the store inside a warehouse. We claimed it was a movie set so that people would deliver all these goods and not think it was us. We had to borrow products from other retailers because we hadn't at that stage developed any products. We took ordinary people in, and they really, really liked it.

WSJ: Isn't it daring to challenge Wal-Mart on its home turf?

Mr. Leahy: Wal-Mart is a great retailer, but America is a big place. The part of the market that we are addressing, which is convenience, is an underinvested part of the market. And I think there is plenty of room in the market now.

WSJ: But Wal-Mart also has smaller stores called Neighborhood Market. Isn't it competing for the same turf?

Mr. Leahy: No doubt it is. But it's a big segment. A Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market would be more their version of an American supermarket. We would be approaching it from a slightly different angle.

WSJ: What are you most proud of in your U.S. stores?

Mr. Leahy: The tortilla is going to be pretty good. And some of the wine will be pretty good. We're very proud of the wine.

WSJ: Are you planning to become a national chain in the U.S.?

Mr. Leahy: The West Coast of the U.S. is a big place. California is virtually the same size as the U.K., and we're starting in California, Arizona and Nevada, so there is a lot to get our teeth into. But hopefully, the format will have a wider appeal than that.


WSJ: Of all the markets you have entered, which one has been the toughest?

Mr. Leahy: Japan is very challenging because it's a very well-defined society in terms of its value systems, and they're very confident consumers.

WSJ: Carrefour has withdrawn from Japan, and Wal-Mart is struggling there. What mistakes are you trying to avoid?

Mr. Leahy: We didn't go in in a big way. We could see it was complex. Again there, we lived in Japanese homes and spent three years researching Japan.

We didn't bring our format in. Carrefour brought in the French hypermarket. We bought a small business in the convenience sector, which we thought suited shopping in Japan. People shop every day. Small is beautiful in Japan. Western concepts of large, big, extra value don't work.

WSJ: Even at home in Britain, Tesco is famous for doing a lot of customer research with its loyalty program, the Clubcard.

Mr. Leahy: It's an important technical part of an even more important philosophy, which is to listen to customers -- but really listen. Many organizations say they listen, but they're very selective in what they allow themselves to hear. The great thing about customers is that they're very honest people.

WSJ: American retailers including Kroger Co. now use Dunnhumby, the Tesco-owned company that runs Clubcard, to help with their loyalty programs. Has data mining become a side business for Tesco?

Mr. Leahy: We had some techniques there that we felt other people were not using. So we allowed Dunnhumby to go and sell these services -- not just in retailing but in lots of consumer-facing organizations. Clearly retailers are most interested because they know more about Tesco. But other organizations, too. That Dunnhumby business is and will be very successful in the future.

WSJ: Like Wal-Mart, you get attacked for being too dominant in the market. How do you respond?

Mr. Leahy: It's normal that people discuss how you do your business. You've got to be prepared to engage in that discussion.

Also, you shouldn't concentrate on debating the negatives but come forward with some positive ideas. There was a lot of debate about Tesco as a good neighbor. So we set out our community plan, which was a set of initiatives about open sourcing, nutritional labeling, energy conservation and recycling, which has been very well received. Actually, people are very interested. They will criticize you, but they will be very open to your coming forward with positive suggestions.

WSJ: Do you think consumers are really green or do they just think they are, especially if they have to help pay for it?

Mr. Leahy: When we talk to consumers, one of the big subjects is climate change. Consumers want to do something about it, but the vast majority doesn't know what to do. What does it mean for them? Do they change the car they drive? Do they recycle more? Do they change their light bulbs? Do they insulate their homes? Do they not fly?

There is no use knowing that you should use low-energy light bulbs if there aren't any, or if the range doesn't fit your light fittings at home.

They say, "OK, we know about low-energy light bulbs but they're too expensive."

So we halved the price of low-energy light bulbs. And once we do that, of course, what do our competitors do? They reduce the price for low-energy light bulbs, so now low-energy light bulbs are a no-brainer for people. Not only do they last longer, but they're much cheaper.

WSJ: If American visitors wander into a Tesco store in Britain, what product should they try?

Mr. Leahy: They should try our Finest yogurt. I know Americans are so-so about yogurt, but they should try the Finest yogurt. They should try the Finest rib-eye beef. And they should try a nice bottle of California Viognier.

WSJ: You bought your wife Mother's Day flowers from Tesco. What else have you bought her?

Mr. Leahy: They're great flowers. I also bought her a birthday card from Tesco.

Write to Cecilie Rohwedder at [email protected]1

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2007, 7:24 AM
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Let's hope Tesco moves in...

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I saw Famima in DTLA, I'm not really familiar with their brand or size of stores or whatever, but maybe they'll want to move in.

Also, I was a little disgusted by the "professionals live here" comment.
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Take that, Chicago! Miami! Houston! Etc!

"What do they sell?" you may well ask. See http://www.shanghaitang.com/shanghaitang/index.jsp

That's news to me. I wonder where Shanghai Tang plans on opening in LA...For SF is pretty easy, it'll most likely go in Union Square.

LA could be Rodeo Drive, Robertson Blvd., Melrose Place, Century City Shopping Center, or even South Coast Plaza.
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That's news to me. I wonder where Shanghai Tang plans on opening in LA...For SF is pretty easy, it'll most likely go in Union Square.

LA could be Rodeo Drive, Robertson Blvd., Melrose Place, Century City Shopping Center, or even South Coast Plaza.
I've actually heard through the grapevine (so I may be wrong) that they are going into a spot on Union, near the corner of Steiner.
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Yeah I'd imagine union square would be the natural choice. Its the huge premier shopping area to the region, something of it's like we sadly dont really have here in LA. Closest being Beverly Hills, but still not the same in my mind. I am sure areas like Fillmore street, Union Street, Chestnut street or some of the high end shopping areas around the bay like Walnut Creek, Stanford or Valley Fair/ Santana Row wouldn't be an option until they were successful on the square.

I wonder if this company would be exempt from the "chain store" ordinance. It makes me wonder how the Mac Store is able to move into the Marina district. Does that rule state there can only be a certain amount of stores within the city or nationwide.
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I wonder if this company would be exempt from the "chain store" ordinance. It makes me wonder how the Mac Store is able to move into the Marina district. Does that rule state there can only be a certain amount of stores within the city or nationwide.
The Marina isn't subject to the Chain Store Ordinance - it doesn't apply to the whole city, only certain neighborhoods.
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Helmut Lang is opening a store on Maiden Lane. The name is posted across the window.
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^thats cool...do you happen to know what adress or store front it will be located. I remember back in 2000, Helmut lang was going to open with Miu Miu at post and grant street, across from what was then going to be Prada's chesse grater store. Has anything happened with that space yet, or is it still boarded up
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Prada's chesse grater store. Has anything happened with that space yet, or is it still boarded up




Almost ready. But you'll have to grate your cheese elsewhere. Prada no longer owns it--they sold it to Grosvenor Group--and it's about to open as a DeBeers "flagship" (their term, not mine--I know how controversial it is here).

I took the photos by the way.
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