Salt Lake:Official development news thread - Page 87

SLC Projects · #**1721** Posted **Jul 3, 2007, 8:49 PM**

Here is a update on Two projects that are not in downtown Salt Lake.

Real Salt Lake Stadium Project Sandy Utah
We are starting to see the new stadium from the I-15. Steel beams are getting put up.
Here is the stadium site looking West-North from 9400 South on July 3, 2007

Shot with DSC-W50 at 2007-07-03

Shot with DSC-W50 at 2007-07-03

IHC Office Tower Project Murray Utah.
This Office Tower is now topped out at 9-stories tall makiing it Murray's 2rd tallest building.

Shot at 2007-07-03

Shot with DSC-W50 at 2007-07-03

wrendog · #**1722** Posted **Jul 3, 2007, 8:51 PM**

yes, no more rocky debates!

Hey, these icons are fun! I never use them!

delts145 · #**1723** Posted **Jul 3, 2007, 9:01 PM**

I like SLCProject's Pics, Sooooo, I say SLCProjects for Mayor and the plank for Rocky

Scraperdude801 · #**1724** Posted **Jul 4, 2007, 4:58 AM**

welcome to the forum T-mac !!!

on another note I swear I'm going to throw a rock at the next person who starts a rocky anderson debate!!!

PhxSprawler · #**1725** Posted **Jul 4, 2007, 8:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by Scraperdude801

welcome to the forum T-mac !!!

on another note I swear I'm going to throw a rock at the next person who starts a rocky anderson debate!!!

I am sorry, but the conservatives in SLC do not support an urban lifestyle. A one bedroom $300k condo in downtown SLC is not a place to raise 2.7 children. Rocky has done more for the community and made the city more popular than anyone else could have. Sorry conservatives... throw a rock at me, but the Mormon church owning the entire downtown area will not support high-rise condos and upward growth - no matter what they are doing with the City Creek project.

It had to be said. Demand creates more growth than politicians, and unless SLC changes the one bar per block ban and becomes a liberal utopia, SLC will be stuck in this rutt of suburban sprawl and natural emigration for eternity...or at least until JC returns.

PhxSprawler · #**1726** Posted **Jul 4, 2007, 8:49 AM**

One more comment... SLC needs the Mormon church to create tourism dollars, but living there is a different story.

SLCforme · #**1727** Posted **Jul 4, 2007, 3:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by PhxSprawler

It had to be said. Demand creates more growth than politicians, and unless SLC changes the one bar per block ban and becomes a liberal utopia, SLC will be stuck in this rutt of suburban sprawl and natural emigration for eternity...or at least until JC returns.

I totally agree that SLC needs to axe the one bar (I actually think it's two) per block law. It makes it impossible to have an entertainment district and keeps the nightlife so spreadout that it seems like a much smaller town. I would even settle for them just killing the law in a few small areas, namely the "broadway district" as identified in the downtownrising project. I think this actually has a chance of happening. Also "private clubs for member" need to be axed. I know Governor Huntsman (my favorite Republican) has expressed a desire to get rid of this rediculousness. Hunstsman is a buisnessman, and he knows that these laws are hurting our tourism dollars as well as peoples and companies perseptions about the state which prevents them from relocating here.

I went rockclimbing with a guy recently who just moved to SLC from California because this was the place he wanted to live, mostly for the outdoor aspect. He is a writer and could have moved anywhere but chose here. He said that he wouldn't have moved here 10 years ago, but the town has gotten much cooler since then. He said that whenever he climbs or skies etc. he talks to people, many of whom are from out of state and are here for the outdoor activity and tries to get them to move here. As he put it "to try to recruit more liberal-minded outdoor types to the state". I do the same sometimes.

Whenever I talk to someone in the mountains and tell them I live here they normally say something to the effect of "Man I would love to live here but I couldn't handle the culture". Getting back to your points phxsprawler, I think it wouldn't take much (allowing more bars per block, getting rid of private clubs for members, and deregulating alcohol sales a bit) for many of these liberal outdoorsy urban minded people to see SLC as a great place to live causing a large immigration, driving more urban development. And I have hopes that some people in power will realize this and even if they don't want more liberals here, they will want more economic development and see the connection.
There's my essay for the day, sorry about the ramble.

Scraperdude801 · #**1728** Posted **Jul 4, 2007, 8:50 PM**

I agree.

urbanboy · #**1729** Posted **Jul 5, 2007, 2:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by PhxSprawler

A one bedroom $300k condo in downtown SLC is not a place to raise 2.7 children.

Hey Phx, I agree with most of your points. However, I'm frustrated that many people think the city is not a good place to raise children! Cities are actually great places to raise children. A vibrant city is a safer place for children than most suburbs. Also, children who are raised in the city learn street smarts like: how to be a good citizen, how to be independent, how to serve others, how to be tolerant; these are only a few. The important lessons that are learned by city children are a result of the densely populated area and the multiple opportunities they have to interact with people of all ages, races, genders, theologies, and so on. Also, the close proximity and access to everything allows children to get from place to place--without having to rely on their parents to drive them everywhere--instilling in their minds a sense of independence.

delts145 · #**1730** Posted **Jul 5, 2007, 8:18 PM**

I agree with you urbanboy, a city can be an outstanding place to raise children, particularly for the many good reasons you cited. I would want my future children to have the same wonderful experiences I have had in various vibrant downtowns.
Something locally that I've have been very excited about is the 300 south/Broadway corridor. I'm glad to see that it is moving along and will soon be a reality. As we have all cited over and over again,"downtown Salt Lake has incredible potential." This transition of 300 south into a Parisian style blvd. is one of those pieces of the puzzle that will give Salt Lake its future sparkle.

A real boulevard

Definately kudos to Rocky and all those responsible on this one,

......But when the reconstruction of 300 South is finished, the boulevard that used to be wide enough for Brigham Young's famous 19th-century oxcart U-turns will instead boast trees and gardens and a distinct neighborhood character........read more.......http://www.sltrib.com/westvalley/ci_6252069

delts145 · #**1731** Posted **Jul 5, 2007, 8:30 PM**

double post, server acting a bit strange at the moment

SLCforme · #**1732** Posted **Jul 5, 2007, 10:38 PM**

I agree, and I hope they continue it to 300 E.. I think the broadway corridor through downtown could really be a great east-west vibrant pedestrian corridor through downtown.

On another note, I just did what I should have done when I first joined this forum, and that is go back and read all the previous posts on this thread, and it answered quite a few questions I had (it's been a slow day at work).

So does anyone have anymore news about Vantage tower? This looks like a great project, I hope it gets going soon.

Something that did strike me though is how NO projects seem to start on time. They always seem to be delayed at least several months. Does this happen everywhere or do we have an exceptional amount of red tape to cut through in this town?

arkhitektor · #**1733** Posted **Jul 5, 2007, 10:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by urbanboy

Hey Phx, I agree with most of your points. However, I'm frustrated that many people think the city is not a good place to raise children! Cities are actually great places to raise children. A vibrant city is a safer place for children than most suburbs. Also, children who are raised in the city learn street smarts like: how to be a good citizen, how to be independent, how to serve others, how to be tolerant; these are only a few. The important lessons that are learned by city children are a result of the densely populated area and the multiple opportunities they have to interact with people of all ages, races, genders, theologies, and so on. Also, the close proximity and access to everything allows children to get from place to place--without having to rely on their parents to drive them everywhere--instilling in their minds a sense of independence.

As someone with a young family who recently moved from downtown to the suburbs, let me share my reasons for moving:

I would have loved nothing more than to raise my children in central Salt Lake for many of the reasons you've already mentioned. The reason we moved is that the money that bought our new 3-bed 2-bath place in Clearfield would have only bought us a shabby one-bedroom in the city.
I think the real reason that most people don't raise families downtown isn't that they are afraid of downtown, but that they can't afford the space they need to live there.
The size of home/condo/whatever that you need to live with a family downtown is prohibitivly expensive, so most families choose to live elsewhere.

SLC Projects · #**1734** Posted **Jul 5, 2007, 11:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by arkhitektor

I think the real reason that most people don't raise families downtown isn't that they are afraid of downtown, but that they can't afford the space they need to live there.
The size of home/condo/whatever that you need to live with a family downtown is prohibitivly expensive, so most families choose to live elsewhere.

Agreed. That's why I don't live downtown.

Also I was hearing on the radio about there was going to be some kind of a announcement on what's going to happen with the Cottonwood Mall. But I didn't hear anything more about it. Did anyone hear any news on that?

Comrade · #**1735** Posted **Jul 6, 2007, 1:13 AM**

There is something on KUTV's website: http://kutv.com/

It looks good, but right now it looks like they're calling it "possible" and with what we saw happen to Valley Fair (nothing, heh), I won't get excited until I see it finished.

wrendog · #**1736** Posted **Jul 6, 2007, 2:59 AM**

Those are some pretty cool plans for cottonwood! lots of new buildings, residential and commercial. Hope it comes to fruition..

delts145 · #**1737** Posted **Jul 6, 2007, 3:44 AM**

WOW!! That would be an incredible addition to the Valley and entire Metro. These are the same people who own Fashion Place and are giving it a complete makeover. I understand they definately have the money to do this. The report talked as if the project is a given and will be finished by 2010. It sounds quite serious to me.

delts145 · #**1738** Posted **Jul 6, 2007, 4:21 AM**

Just finished watching the report on the evening news. More info. was made available and this project is a definite reality. The entire Mall will soon be demolished with the exception of Macy's. They didnot specify if Macy's is to be remodeled or torn down at a later date. This new "Town Center/outdoor lifestyle theme" will have a definite multi-story, Euro-style feel, with ample residential and commercial space. From the renderings shown on T.V. it will have a big WOW factor. Construction is slated to begin 2008 and phase I will be ready for shoppers 2010. This will be a very upscale,large attraction that will draw a region wide crowd. I would imagine we will get some more information in the Newspapers in the coming days.

Wasatch_One · #**1739** Posted **Jul 6, 2007, 4:37 AM**

Here are some of the pictures (although, low quality) that were posted on KSL's website

The Cottonwood Mall was Utah's first mall, and back in the day, it was quite a place. Lately though, it is looking more like a ghost town. A multi-million dollar plan to renovate the site was announced today, though, and the new plans look nothing like the old mall.

First of all, it won't be called Cottonwood Mall any more, just Cottonwood. We received pictures of what it will look like. We showed them to shoppers to hear what they think about it.

Roger Nichols says, "I like it, I think that will be neat."

Yvette Bobbio says, "I think this will attract a lot of people. I think it's a good idea."

Fifty-seven acres of Cottonwood will soon turn into shops, restaurants, condos, office space and more. There will be a central tower, gardens, a river walk, and it will all be pedestrian friendly, with a strong community feel.

Nichols said, "What a unique style. Is this San Francisco? Is this, what is this?"

Bobbio said, "This reminds me of places in Europe; I've been to Italy."

That's what developers want.

Kris Longson, with General Growth Properties, said, "It's going to have a very quaint feeling. It's going to have a place where people love to come and shop, dine, just hang out, walk around be with their families, walk their pets."

Cottonwood Mall has been around for 45 years and was once a bustling shopping area, but not anymore. Several stores have moved out. The ones still here are on a month-to-month lease.

Macy's will be the only store we know of that will stay. There's no word yet on what restaurants or other shops will move in. The only taxpayer money that will go into it will be for things like roads, sewer lines and power lines.

Holladay City Manager Randy Fitts said, "There will be no money, city money, going to reducing cost of project. It will all be for infrastructure price."

Construction begins next year. The project is expected to be completed by 2010.

General Growth Properties, the developer in charge of all of this, is also re-doing the Fashion Place Mall just five miles away.

jmonkey · #**1740** Posted **Jul 6, 2007, 8:04 AM**

That looks great! Very good addition to the area. Does anyone know which direction that first rendering is viewed from?? That would definately help get a real handle on the project.

I can't imagine that Macy's doesn't get a new store. The current store was built in the early 60's--It would be very hard to blend it's blank concrete walls with this type of development, unless they just surrounded it with new buildings. That just seems insane though. My assumption would be that Macy's will be getting a new store as well, remaining open at the present location until their new building is ready.

The project will open before CCC, so it will have the spotlight for about a year. I wonder what stores the mall owner will try to get to move in. Cottonwood Mall had a certain high-end cachet, that they should move to gain back. Who could they catch, that isn't being drawn in to CCC??