CHICAGO | Boom rundown - everything over 12 floors. v5 - Page 84

pip · #**1661** Posted **Jun 21, 2007, 5:21 PM**

I work part time at that Unos. I was told in the base of the building it is going to be Flemings Steakhouse - that is a definate and the building is going to be 5 stories. One thing is though those caisons are huge. Does a 5 story building really need caisons that big? They are massive.

budman · #**1662** Posted **Jun 21, 2007, 6:48 PM**

Thanks Pip. I park in the garage at the hilton, and have been eyeing this site for a while, just recently noticing a lot of activity. I agree that the caissons looked pretty big. And why would you need caissons for a 5 story building anyway? (I am not in the construction business, so please forgive my ignorance)

SolarWind · #**1663** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 1:03 AM**

This afternoon, from my office, I noticed a crane moving sheet piling at 353 N Clark. Maybe excavation isn't too far off.

SolarWind · #**1664** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 1:09 AM**

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Excellent shots, as usual. Thanks!

So, this doesn't look anything like copper to me. Looks like terracotta rainscreen in the photo... or are my eyes deceiving me? I fear that this unique aspect of Parkview isn't going to be a reality. The cheaper handrails appear to agree with this. SolarWind, can you possibly confirm or deny?

It certainly didn't appear to be copper to me. I'm not a materials expert, so I'm not sure what it might be. When I eventually stop by again, I'll try to ask a construction worker.

jjk1103 · #**1665** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 1:28 AM**

...isn't 600 N LSD (North) topped out ??

i_am_hydrogen · #**1666** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 1:53 AM**

^Yes.

aaron38 · #**1667** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 2:16 AM**

Regarding the red 'bricks' on Parkview west:
Looking at them yesterday, to me they looked like some sort of stone or a precast colored concrete. They were veneer panels, an inch or two thick.
They were not metalic, and definitely not copper.

Dan in Chicago · #**1668** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 6:02 AM**

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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but 50 E Chestnut is topped out.

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...isn't 600 N LSD (North) topped out ??

Interesting, since both of these buildings started construction on the same day.

jet cm · #**1669** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 11:49 AM**

They are metal panels. The manufacturer is http://www.dri-design.com

I wanted to substitute them for Terra Cotta on a South Loop project that I used to be involved with but our architect said the DPD wouldn't accept it. I asked the architect to go look at Parkview's mock up but gave up after a while. Some of the comments here back up my idea. Oh well, got to pick your battles I guess.

SamInTheLoop · #**1670** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 1:31 PM**

^ Was that project Park 1000?
Do you know what's going on with it?

iwillirp · #**1671** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 3:17 PM**

Last night while driving down S. Michigan, I think I saw some vehicles on the 1555 S. Wabash site.

I went by too quick to get a look at what is going on but it might have been a caisson rig laying on the ground. Anyways it looks like construction will finally begin soon on this one.

honte · #**1672** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 3:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by jet cm

They are metal panels. The manufacturer is http://www.dri-design.com

I wanted to substitute them for Terra Cotta on a South Loop project that I used to be involved with but our architect said the DPD wouldn't accept it. I asked the architect to go look at Parkview's mock up but gave up after a while. Some of the comments here back up my idea. Oh well, got to pick your battles I guess.

Thanks for this info jet cm! (And thanks to SolarWind and aaron38 for checking it out too).

So it is a metal rainscreen instead of terracotta. That's pretty cool I guess, a first for a Chicago high rise I believe.

You can see the copper version on the Dri Design web site, though. I presume it was killed due to rising metals costs. That's too bad, because it looks like it would have been really cool!

Chicago Shawn · #**1673** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 3:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by pip

I work part time at that Unos. I was told in the base of the building it is going to be Flemings Steakhouse - that is a definate and the building is going to be 5 stories. One thing is though those caisons are huge. Does a 5 story building really need caisons that big? They are massive.

My guess is they might be going with an open plan for a flexable seating pattern, and then transfering the loads to columns or shearwalls at eithier side of the structure, thus then requiring the large caissons. Restaraunts would have pretty big live loads too wouldn't they? A lot of people always moving around, plus the additional wieght of all the furniture. That is just my amiture guess at it. Anyone else wish to opine?

Latoso · #**1674** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 4:03 PM**

My guess is that it's for a 70 story party deck.

pip · #**1675** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 4:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chicago Shawn

My guess is they might be going with an open plan for a flexable seating pattern, and then transfering the loads to columns or shearwalls at eithier side of the structure, thus then requiring the large caissons. Restaraunts would have pretty big live loads too wouldn't they? A lot of people always moving around, plus the additional wieght of all the furniture. That is just my amiture guess at it. Anyone else wish to opine?

Maybe. Unos doesn't have caisons though. Actually what I am hoping is that this building is over 5 stories tall, so looking for any execuse

.These caisons are between two and three stories tall.

Chicago Shawn · #**1676** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 4:39 PM**

Steely, I updated 953 West Irving Park on Emporis. The building has shrunk from 14 stories to 12 in its final version. The height to the top of the mechanical penthouse is 154'-0". ID number: bu>288523

Also, I added 5026 North Sheridan, which is an 11 story building with a mechanical penthouse that has been shifted to the front facade. The penthouse is an enclosed floor, and the building will visually have 12 stories, so it counts in my book. I do not have a current exact height for it yet, but its in the neighborhood of 128 feet. The development will replace a vacant one story storefront and an adjacent surface parking lot. It will also stand at the head of a side street, Winnemac I believe. ID number: bu>301973

honte · #**1677** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 4:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chicago Shawn

Anyone else wish to opine?

It could be a number of things. Poor soil conditions at the site... concern about transfer of soil stress to neighboring structures, hence a desire for deeper foundations... planning for future growth... extra-heavy loading.

Chicago Shawn · #**1678** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 4:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by pip

Maybe. Unos doesn't have caisons though. Actually what I am hoping is that this building is over 5 stories tall, so looking for any execuse

.These caisons are between two and three stories tall.

In any case, 5 stories is a big friggen restaurant. Uno's is in a standard load bearing construction, which brings all the weight down through the interior and exterior walls down to the ground. A typical foundation for a building like that is simple footings, or in a case of poor soil, a few piles may be added. I'm thinking there might be a unique layout shifting loads to precise locations, thus needing a more intense foundation. Perhaps the restaurant will have a valet parking garage as well, that would also explain large anticipated loads.

pip · #**1679** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 5:03 PM**

Only the first floor is a restaurant.

Marvel 33 · #**1680** Posted **Jun 22, 2007, 5:31 PM**

Here is a rundown of the meeting that took place yesterday at the Chicago Plan Commission:

June Meeting