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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 12:49 AM
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The Statesman did mention it would be the tallest behind the Austonian and 5th at Congress wich means it would have to be taller than the 360 tower.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 2:55 AM
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Man, it's finally getting on up there!!

I've been gone a few years from this area, and am well pleased with the growth that has finally started in dowtown. Specificaly the rise in height. I have always admired skyscrapers, and now Austin, wich is an awesome city, is getting it's due. I hope ALL the "approved" projects become reality, with much, much more to come in the very near future. I'd like to see Austin's skyline rival that of Los Angeles. (Lived there for seven years, and love it).

Why can't there be structures with seventy-five plus stories? Not impossible. Money talks, and that's what all of this recent developement is about. Let it BOOM!! Austin ROCKS!!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 3:01 AM
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Damn, that looks good. It looks like something from Chicago or Miami. A lot of their newer condo towers have been quite sleek.
You're right. This looks good. I think it has a very contemporary yet classy look to it. I especially like that it will be a building that gives back something to Austin. Really happy that the art museum will be included.

So does this mean that the previous condo/art museum project near Republic Square is dead?

Any word out there of any new office developments going up downtown?
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 3:12 AM
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The 3D models look pretty cool! Has anyone seen the 3D images from virtual earth? It shows pretty good detail, although I'm not sure if anyone can add stuff like in google earth.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 3:24 AM
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Wow, that's pretty good! This is Microsoft's answer to Google Earth, is that right?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 3:30 AM
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Yeah, I stumbled across it a few weeks ago. Several of the major metro areas have the 3D images. It's pretty neat, just not sure if there is any way to add to it.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 3:39 AM
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Yeah, I stumbled across it a few weeks ago. Several of the major metro areas have the 3D images. It's pretty neat, just not sure if there is any way to add to it.
Yeah, that would be required. And I'll bet it doesn't run on the Mac.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 3:47 AM
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Not sure about that one, it should though. It's the "new" version of their maps and directions site. It's done through a web interface, no program to dl.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 3:50 AM
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I went to barton Cr. mall today for the first time in a while. I always love seeing the DT area from up there and It amazes me how big the skyline looks from that view. But I noticed they have let so many of the scrub bushes and tree's grow to the height that they block the great view. That angle of DT should be what they show on the evening news, by far it's the best spot close in, and it baffles me it's not presented more often. I was imagining what all these new buildings would look like when added to the CBD, and thought... it will be outstanding!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 4:01 AM
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I am very impressed with the 21c project. It is by far one of my favorite proposals with its use of residential, hotel, and cultural space all wrapped in a sleek and contemporary highrise. Also, according to a reletively recent article from Travel and Leisure...

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They're scouting historic properties in need of recycling in Austin, Atlanta, and Nashville, and thinking about other locations. "We want cities with a university and a youthful attitude," Wilson says. "We want to be somewhere that might be starving for art."
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 5:37 AM
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Any word out there of any new office developments going up downtown?
Yeah, this lopsided rush of condo/hotel oriented development is a bit ridiculous. Getting residents to live downtown is a great thing, but actually getting some more jobs downtown for those residents to work at should be part of the plan as well. I want to be a believer in this downtown boom, but I have to say I'm a bit skeptical -- even though I did purchase a unit at the 360 -- I'm worried about the potential for a glut of high priced condos in 2009 and would like to see a better mix of overall downtown development.

If all of these condo projects actually get built, we might see a serious reverse rush hour in Austin where the commute from downtown to Round Rock or other parts of North Austin is worse than the commute from the suburbs to downtown.

Does anyone have inside info on how the higher priced projects have been selling? Which one is next in line to start construction.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 2:43 PM
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The Statesman did mention it would be the tallest behind the Austonian and 5th at Congress wich means it would have to be taller than the 360 tower.
No, actually Shonda was referring to the "height" of the building in regards to its overall number of levels, not its overall structural “height.”

In fact, she's not quite up-to-date with her numbers...for example, she lists 360 at 40 stories and it will actually have 44 levels. And yes, 21c may be tied for the third tallest tower (again, in relation to total number of floors) in Austin behind the Austonian (55 stories) and the proposed T. Stacy (47 stories) tower at 5th & Congress.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 2:51 PM
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...So does this mean that the previous condo/art museum project near Republic Square is dead?
No, they are two completely different museum projects. The one just south of Republic Park is owned by the Austin Museum of Art and as far as I know, they are working with T. Stacy with regards to the development of the site. Also, there is neither a current plan nor timeline for that project. AMOA needs to deal with some in-house personnel and financial issues before they move forward in developing this site.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 4:53 PM
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urban_j: No one has ever argued that Marriott shouldn't pay the fees it's being charged. The question is, How do we spend the money? We could spend it on anything. Sidewalks. Downtown grafitti removal (proposed budget -- if city finds the money for it -- $550,000). Other displaced businesses. How do you justify giving all of this money to one business? What, should the city give money to every business displaced by development? Apparently not -- there are businesses being displaced every day that no one seems to give a sh*t about. And we all know we couldn't afford to do that anyway. So what are the criteria for deciding who gets the handout and who doesn't? Apparently, it's just whoever can raise the most ruckus. That's a stupid system, and just encourages rent-seeking.

And what is the justification for making the loan forgivable? I have yet to see a coherent justification for that.

I definitely see your point, I mean about other displaced businesses - especially the others in that block. And about the loan - I don't believe it should be forgivable, necessarily, especially since the sisters run a packed house most of the time. However, let's look at the fact that this business is the one who may have just turned the game over, setting a precedent to follow and alter for other neighborhoods, even though it has, yes, caused a lot of 'ruckus'... but it's not just people complaining, right? this is their life, their business, their location for 25 years (right?), not just a petty thing. atleast find that little shred of respect for them for having the guts to stick it out and be secure in their cause. that's more than i can say for a lot of austin - which has become more complacent with age. that is the real cause of displaced businesses - and pure observation tells us that consumers in the majority here really and truly don't give a damn anymore, or rather they don't understand the correlation between great city and local business. and, in today's world it seems a bit of 'ruckus' may be the only effective way to get an answer. i'm not about to believe, though, that austin is just going to start rolling over for other businesses - that is an accusation often heard about the federal government and welfare, etc... when in reality, it just doesn't work that way. What the city needs to do is evaluate properly all of this matter, look at other cities for successes/failures, and see what is the best way to continue. I believe the Las Manitas thing was a singular incident, but a necessary one to get the conversation going.

I also still believe an architectural solution could have possibly cleared this up without a standoff as we witnessed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the company owns almost that entire block, or atleast a piece to the edge of 2nd and congress, which means instead of that parking lot there at the end, that would be great enough street frontage for the marriot. no hotel needs more than that, unless they're putting their own restaurant down there also (which is, I suppose what they're going to do, though I also think it's mostly just cost effective and easier for the architect not to be innovative or try to work around the existing context a little, and just take the whole block).

Now, the grafitti budget is interesting - that's a ton of money for a city that has really no big grafitti problem (unless you've never been anywhere else, you know Austin's got it good). Quite a lot of the grafitti I see actually adds some urban character, because I don't see just a lot of text, I see images and color - a lot of that creativity is not expressed in graffiti elsewhere - you don't want it dull and white washed, right? And we all realize this is not baltimore, right? I mean, this city seems nearly crime free, in respect to others. I wouldn't approve a grafitti cleaning budget for downtown that was half a million dollars. That's a bit insane.

Anyway, hope I didn't ruin anyone's day by adding some positive light to a situation that is always doused in the most vehement negativity. Austin has a LOT on its plate right now; I just hope the city can find the time, in all the development and growth craze, to sit down and plan out a good framework for these situations. The developer fee system is only the start.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 5:40 PM
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21c is looking great! Austin is kicking Dallas, Houston and San Antonio's butt right now on new projects.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 6:23 PM
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21c is looking great! Austin is kicking Dallas, Houston and San Antonio's butt right now on new projects.
Hey now...there's no need for a comment like that. It could start a war of words in here!!!

I understand it is your opinion, but, there are several great projects going on in Dallas, Houston & San Antonio!!!
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 6:44 PM
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Hey now...there's no need for a comment like that. It could start a war of words in here!!!

I understand it is your opinion, but, there are several great projects going on in Dallas, Houston & San Antonio!!!
Sorry, didn't mean to stir things up. You are 100% correct. There are many great projects in Big D, S.A. and Houston, it just seems that Austin is in the lead right now in terms of the number and height of the proposed projects compared to what is already in the CBD. That of course could change if some of these Austin proposals never get built.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 9:32 PM
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Hello everyone...I've been visiting this forum (along with LA's, Las Vegas', and DFW's) daily for quite a while - Great reading/viewing for the skyscraper nerd in me. Grew up in Dallas, college at UT in the late 70's early 80's, and living in LA for the last 23 years...but planning to return for good to my favorite American city (Austin) in the near future. I visited in April and was BLOWN AWAY by all the amazing changes in the last 2 years since my previous visit. WOW.

Anyhoo...what spurred me to join the forum was that I ran across the image I've posted below (if it works!). It was on RTKL & Associates' corporate website and is labeled "200 Congress, Austin TX". After scanning through the old thread in the archives, I THINK it was one of the losing designs for the Austonian, but I wonder if anyone can confirm that?

http://www.rtkl.com/portfolio.asp?s=Mixed%2DUse&ss=View+All&St=11

     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2007, 9:36 PM
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Wow! That would have been distinctive.
     
     
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