HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Pacific West > Sacramento Area


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1361  
Old Posted Jun 7, 2007, 10:03 PM
ozone's Avatar
ozone ozone is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sacramento California
Posts: 2,270
I’m trying to picture where this is going to be. The Co-op is on S/Alhambra …so where is this going in relationship to it?

I like the clean, modern design. I also like the mixture of warm, dark earth tone/autumn colors I see in this project and many others lately around Midtown. Maybe it’s a trend everywhere but it’s a particularly good color for the Sacramento light. I hate that ubiquitous pinkish beige. I can’t think of a more unattractive color for Sacramento. I don’t like fixed design regulations but if I could I would ban the ‘Sacramento beige’ and encourage those dark autumn colors.

Yeah there are still a lot of suburbanites in Midtown and East Sacramento who want to have all the benefits of living close to the center of things but they don’t want to give others the same opportunity.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1362  
Old Posted Jun 7, 2007, 11:27 PM
snfenoc's Avatar
snfenoc snfenoc is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Steve in East Sac
Posts: 1,143
Quote:
Originally Posted by wburg View Post
The project has improved visually in each iteration (it's a *lot* better than the first draft), but it wasn't the aesthetics that the neighborhood opposed.
Yeah, it was development and a better community that they opposed. Actually, they don't mind development or a better community - as long as it does not happen anywhere near them.
__________________
Sincerely,
Steve in East Sac
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1363  
Old Posted Jun 7, 2007, 11:41 PM
snfenoc's Avatar
snfenoc snfenoc is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Steve in East Sac
Posts: 1,143
double post
__________________
Sincerely,
Steve in East Sac
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1364  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 5:24 AM
innov8's Avatar
innov8 innov8 is offline
Kodachrome
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: livinginurbansac.blogspot
Posts: 5,088
Here are a few I took from a few weeks back.





Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1365  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 5:53 AM
ltsmotorsport's Avatar
ltsmotorsport ltsmotorsport is offline
Here we stAy
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Parkway Pauper
Posts: 7,758
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozone View Post
Yeah there are still a lot of suburbanites in Midtown and East Sacramento who want to have all the benefits of living close to the center of things but they don’t want to give others the same opportunity.
Funny. That's how it is all over this state. SF, SLO.....
__________________
Riding out the crazy train
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1366  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 7:05 AM
Grimnebulin's Avatar
Grimnebulin Grimnebulin is offline
Got Good Grub?
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Midtown Sacramento
Posts: 286
Great photos Mike! How do you get permission to get up there?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1367  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 4:38 PM
sugit sugit is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: DT Sacramento
Posts: 3,076
Developers renew interest in downtown lot owned by county

David Taylor, whose U.S. Bank Tower is taking shape at 621 Capitol Mall, is one of the developers looking at the half block of I Street that had once been slated for a residential tower.

The block between 7th and 8th streets, owned by Sacramento County, is home to a vacant building that was once a Bank of America branch and a temporary City Hall. Homebuilder D.R. Horton had proposed a 21-story tower there but canceled plans last year when new home sales plummeted.

Taylor and a yet unnamed partner are among three groups who've had informal talks with county leaders about the property. Another interested party is Ravel Rasmussen, one of the original bidders. It still wants to build office space there, either as leaseable or owner-occupied, said one of the firm's partners, Gary Ravel.

County Supervisor Roger Dickinson said the county is pushing for mixed use, with residential units and a restaurant, along with space for a county agency or two.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1368  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 4:49 PM
seinar seinar is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 4
TCR Alhambra Project

Hello All,

This is my first post ever. I own and operate a cost estimating consulting firm here in Sacramento. I did the initial budget estimate for TCR (Steve Hester) for the Alhambra Condo project. At the time, the market had just slowed, and construction costs were still rising. TCR was thinking of $100/sf for construction I estimated $150+/sf. At the time TCR did not think that the project would go.
Now I have been estimating for +12 years, and i know the market, and i know that almost all developers "underestimate" construction costs. I have not been involved in the project since, but I wonder what they are costing this project at. TCR must be counting on the housing market rebounding. It doesn't look that different from when I first saw it.

BTW, I also did the cost review for 621 Capitol Mall. The costs were good.
Also, in my humble opinion, the reason projects like the Towers dont get built, is because developers "underestimate" their costs, and blame it on skyrocketing increases in materials, or their numbers are so old, they dont apply anymore.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1369  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 4:53 PM
sugit sugit is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: DT Sacramento
Posts: 3,076
Welcome to the boards, seinar. Always nice to have someone who does this for a living and knows the in and outs of what we enjoy talking about.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1370  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 4:57 PM
wburg's Avatar
wburg wburg is offline
Hindrance to Development
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 2,411
ozone: Kitty-cornered from the Co-Op, on the lot that currently has a Buzz-box and parking lot on it.

Actually, the neighborhood didn't oppose the idea of putting residential development on the site either, the concerns were over total number of units and the centralized parking structure. I certainly wouldn't have wanted single-family detatched housing on an Elk Grove/Natomas model, as that is considerably less dense than the existing neighborhood (mostly 40x80 lots, single family or duplexes--roughly 20 dua.) We had hoped for an R3 equivalent, about 36 dua, with distributed parking instead of a common structure, and massing that matched the current Alhambra Corridor design district guidelines.

The centralized parking structure means that people who live on the outer edges of the project will have the equivalent of a one-block walk, plus several flights of stairs, to get to their cars. This means it's pretty likely that folks on the perimeter of the building will park on the street--and most of the homes on the other side of S Street don't have driveways. Parking in the neighborhood was already affected by the proximity of Caltrans and the Co-Op.

Proximity to transit is nice, but we had to argue all the way to the City Council appeal just to get an additional crosswalk at Alhambra and R approved (which the neighborhood, the developer, Planning and Design Review all wanted--city staff was resistant to the idea) to help encourage transit orientation.

There were other concerns, but I'm sure this is more than enough detail for most.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1371  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 6:02 PM
Phillip Phillip is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 562
Quote:
Originally Posted by sugit View Post
[B]The block between 7th and 8th streets, owned by Sacramento County, is home to a vacant building that was once a Bank of America branch and a temporary City Hall. Homebuilder D.R. Horton had proposed a 21-story tower there but canceled plans last year when new home sales plummeted.
When I was in Sac for the first time, in 96/97, that building was still a Bank of America branch. I went there all the time because it had BofA's only driveup ATM in Downtown/Midtown. You could get money there without getting out of your car.

I'm not too lazy to get out of my car but there were usually panhandlers hanging around BofA's ATMs on 30th and K and 15th and Broadway. And the ATM mounted outside 555 Capitol Mall, since removed, was for pedestrians. No place to park there even for even a minute.

BofA has driveup ATMs in most cities. Even Fresno has them! Does BofA have any driveup ATMs in Sac? If they do I bet they're in Roseville. It's just an outrage!

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1372  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 6:11 PM
innov8's Avatar
innov8 innov8 is offline
Kodachrome
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: livinginurbansac.blogspot
Posts: 5,088
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimnebulin View Post
Great photos Mike! How do you get permission to get up there?
I schmooze... and then I schmooze some more

Actually I've gotten to know the Project Superintendent... so I did what any of us
would do, ask and plead to go to the top If you pick up this months
Sactown Mag., there is also a shot from the 25th floor with both the Mayor
and David Tayor.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1373  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 9:13 PM
TowerDistrict's Avatar
TowerDistrict TowerDistrict is offline
my posse's on broadway
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in an LPCA occupied zone
Posts: 1,600
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phillip View Post
I'm not too lazy to get out of my car but there were usually panhandlers hanging around BofA's ATMs on 30th and K and 15th and Broadway. And the ATM mounted outside 555 Capitol Mall, since removed, was for pedestrians. No place to park there even for even a minute.

BofA has driveup ATMs in most cities. Even Fresno has them! Does BofA have any driveup ATMs in Sac? If they do I bet they're in Roseville. It's just an outrage!
I've never understood the panhandlers that post up at the ATMs. I mean, the thing spits out $20's and then they ask for a dollar. So it would actually end up me the one asking for change.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------
Map of recent Sacramento developments
---------------------------------------------------------------
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1374  
Old Posted Jun 8, 2007, 9:38 PM
Grimnebulin's Avatar
Grimnebulin Grimnebulin is offline
Got Good Grub?
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Midtown Sacramento
Posts: 286
Quote:
Originally Posted by innov8 View Post
I schmooze... and then I schmooze some more

Actually I've gotten to know the Project Superintendent... so I did what any of us
would do, ask and plead to go to the top If you pick up this months
Sactown Mag., there is also a shot from the 25th floor with both the Mayor
and David Tayor.


You da man!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1375  
Old Posted Jun 9, 2007, 3:07 AM
Nawlijispower's Avatar
Nawlijispower Nawlijispower is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 65
Drive Thru ATM

I am pretty sure that there is a BofA drive thru ATM off of Stockton Blvd just south of Fruitridge on the west side. I dont bank there so im not positive. And you do run the risk of getting held up at gun point coming over here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phillip View Post
When I was in Sac for the first time, in 96/97, that building was still a Bank of America branch. I went there all the time because it had BofA's only driveup ATM in Downtown/Midtown. You could get money there without getting out of your car.

I'm not too lazy to get out of my car but there were usually panhandlers hanging around BofA's ATMs on 30th and K and 15th and Broadway. And the ATM mounted outside 555 Capitol Mall, since removed, was for pedestrians. No place to park there even for even a minute.

BofA has driveup ATMs in most cities. Even Fresno has them! Does BofA have any driveup ATMs in Sac? If they do I bet they're in Roseville. It's just an outrage!

__________________
www.myspace.com/matt_altop
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1376  
Old Posted Jun 9, 2007, 6:00 AM
Phillip Phillip is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 562
Quote:
Originally Posted by TowerDistrict View Post
I've never understood the panhandlers that post up at the ATMs. I mean, the thing spits out $20's and then they ask for a dollar. So it would actually end up me the one asking for change.
LOL, TowerDistrict. We should lobby BofA to reprogram their ATMs with an option to dispense two twenties and a one!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1377  
Old Posted Jun 9, 2007, 6:05 AM
Phillip Phillip is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 562
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawlijispower View Post
I am pretty sure that there is a BofA drive thru ATM off of Stockton Blvd just south of Fruitridge on the west side. I dont bank there so im not positive. And you do run the risk of getting held up at gun point coming over here.
I haven't been to Stockton and Fruitridge in awhile. Or held up. Will report back.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1378  
Old Posted Jun 9, 2007, 11:01 PM
Phillip Phillip is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 562
An interesting interview with Sacramento developer and UC-Davis alum Paul Petrovich in the California Aggie.

Quote:
UC Davis alumnus discusses business success
Paul Petrovich estimates self-worth at over $100 million

By: MILES DUNCAN
Caifornia Aggie, 5/31/07

In the business world, making $1 million has long been the standard goal for a young entrepreneur. For Paul Petrovich, who reached that plateau before the age of 24, it was just a starting point.

The UC Davis alumnus, who estimates his current worth at more than $100 million, is founder of the Petrovich Development Company. Started in 1986, the corporation designs and builds shopping centers, like the Oakshade Town Center in South Davis, and then leases them to a variety of businesses.

Though Petrovich now owns one of the largest development companies in the country, realizing the American Dream didn't come easy for him.

For all his business achievements, Petrovich started out as an athlete, winning a Babe Ruth League World Series while still in high school. As a promising pitcher, he received 18 athletic scholarships to play college baseball but lost the only one he accepted, from UCLA, after getting drunk at his high school senior prom.

Petrovich then deferred to Long Beach State, though he said he "hated it there," and transferred to UC Davis shortly thereafter. While at Davis, he enjoyed a wealth of experiences, including pitching for the baseball team, being a member of the fraternity Phi Delta Theta and working as a volunteer firefighter.

After graduating in 1982 with a degree in managerial and agricultural economics, he accepted a job offer to work as a broker during his senior year. But after arriving on his first day, he found that the man who offered him the job had been fired and had to fight the brokerage firm's manager for his promised position.

"He said, 'Fine. There's a desk and a phone and a phonebook. Go for it,'" Petrovich said. "So I was afraid to leave my seat - I thought they were going to change the locks - and I ended up being their top producer."

Yet the brokerage world was not always so successful for Petrovich, who recalled making only $1,100 in his first 14 months, while working 90-hour weeks. All that changed when he got a listing on the corner of Third and A streets in Davis for an old bookstore that was going out of business.

Leasing the property to FedEx Kinko's, a cookie store and Café Roma, Petrovich used the opportunity to make his first real profit in the business and a name for himself in the process. Encouraged by Petrovich's growing reputation, the owner of University Mall contacted him to redevelop and sell the property.

Through hard work, he earned $256,000 from the deal, though Petrovich didn't know how much he had made until his father delivered him the check.

"I remember he just slugged me. He said, 'You son of a bitch, I'm holding a quarter of a million dollars in my pocket,'" Petrovich said, laughing. "And for a guy that grew up in the Depression, and fought in World War II, landed on Normandy, that was a big deal for him."

Petrovich attributes his success as much to his competitive sports background as to his upbringing by Depression-era parents. However, he insists that in his industry, "it all comes down to instincts."

"In business, you only have so many opportunities to make money," he said. "You only have so many opportunities to make a bad choice or a good choice and survive. And if you don't continue to make more right decisions than wrong decisions, you're going to fail."

Petrovich said his business model often leads him to redevelop real estate in inner-city areas, reusing the infrastructure of roads and utilities to build his shopping centers.

"For doing that, I end up having incredibly successful projects that people want to shop at because it answers the needs of a community that had been ignored," he said. "A lot of times this ends up in ethnically mixed areas. They're underserved."

Petrovich takes a more conventional approach to philanthropy as well, having donated to an on-campus oncology lab. He is also currently working to provide new homes for orphans in Sacramento. Most famously, he is working to clean up Sacramento's Curtis Park, a neighborhood consisting of an old train yard highly contaminated with lead and arsenic, and redevelop it with homes and a shopping center.

Petrovich also contributes art to the community through his projects, in what he calls "private art in public places," including his most talked-about piece, a sculpture made out of recycled chrome bumpers in front of a Safeway market.

"Taking some of my profits and putting it in the form of interesting, thought-provoking art is another way of having people enjoy and think about their shopping experience, as opposed to it being just another grocery store," he said.

The father of three said he plans to keep running his business at least until his children graduate from college, but said he almost wouldn't recommend the industry to them.

"It's a very demanding, teeth-grinding, hyper-competitive environment that will eat you alive if you don't have the backbone," he said.

For those competitive enough to try to make it in business, Petrovich suggests obtaining a law background and avoiding difficult partnerships. He said most entrepreneurs don't need an MBA.

As for the best advice he's ever received? Petrovich said it came from a high school baseball coach who told him, "Don't confuse activity with achievement."
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1379  
Old Posted Jun 10, 2007, 6:16 AM
innov8's Avatar
innov8 innov8 is offline
Kodachrome
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: livinginurbansac.blogspot
Posts: 5,088


Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1380  
Old Posted Jun 10, 2007, 6:18 AM
creamcityleo79's Avatar
creamcityleo79 creamcityleo79 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Robbinsdale, MN
Posts: 1,790
Quote:
Originally Posted by innov8 View Post


I hate DTP in that picture. It's depressing. However, the colors in the pic...divine and awe inspiring. Great pics, as usual, innov8!
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Pacific West > Sacramento Area
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 7:06 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.